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post #22651 of 23781
12/30/12 at 9:41am
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I currently have 3 media players and 14 TB of networked video storage -- yet I do not agree with you that HDD's would be appropriate for these guys. You can only store 200 DVD-R images per 1 TB of HDD. The contents of DigaDo's 13,000 disks would require a 65 TB storage array -- just to accommodate what he has now. At the rate he burns he would probably have to add another 6-8 TB per year.

Well, he could leave his existing collection and use HDDs for future burns. Yes, 6-8 TB per years sounds like a lot, but 1500 or so new disks per year sounds like a lot too. But for someone like me with a more modest existing collection and not a lot of future needs, the HDD is the way to go, imo.
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12/30/12 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I currently have 3 media players and 14 TB of networked video storage -- yet I do not agree with you that HDD's would be appropriate for these guys. You can only store 200 DVD-R images per 1 TB of HDD. The contents of DigaDo's 13,000 disks would require a 65 TB storage array -- just to accommodate what he has now. At the rate he burns he would probably have to add another 6-8 TB per year.

With the Panasonic recorders I most often use the LP (four hour per DVD) recording mode and to a lesser extent SP or EP (six hour option for some and eight hour option for streamed, 8.5 hour compilations). With the Funai brands I most often use the LP recording mode and to a lesser extent SP, EP or SLP recording modes (depending upon content and source.)

I enter disc content into a customized MS Works Database file.

The DVDs are placed in albums, usually of around 325 disc capacity (anything with more capacity is unwieldy), and stored upright on large format bookshelves in my home office. The attached photo of my home-recorded DVD achive is from July 2010. The archive is twice that size now.

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12/30/12 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

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The DVDs are placed in albums, usually of around 325 disc capacity (anything with more capacity is unwieldy), and stored upright on large format bookshelves in my home office. The attached photo of my home-recorded DVD achive is from July 2010. The archive is twice that size now.
Have you considered applying for a "Guness World Record for the most owned DVD's" ?
Seriously, it appears there's no record holder for that category. biggrin.gif
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post #22654 of 23781
12/30/12 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by stapler1234 View Post

...Seriously, it appears there's no record holder for that category. biggrin.gif

This is no big deal, I'm just demonstrating that thousands of DVDs take up very little space when placed in albums such as these:

http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/cd-dvd-wallet-wallets-cd-holders-cd-storages-organizer-epv-328
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post #22655 of 23781
12/30/12 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

I've been saving my DVD rips as MPEG2 wtv with VideoReDo lately. I save them as wtv so they play well on Media Center extenders. I experimented with converting them to H.264 at 70% and it worked well but takes extra time to encode. In the past I saved my DVD rips as MPEG2 in mkv containers.
That's the fun about all this, there are so many options and possibilities. Everybody has their favorite strategy, usually based on their equipment setups and how much they are willing to compromise.
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post #22656 of 23781
12/30/12 at 8:45pm
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    Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

    I've been saving my DVD rips as MPEG2 wtv with VideoReDo lately. I save them as wtv so they play well on Media Center extenders...
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    But, right there, you're LIMITING yourself! eek.gifwink.gif

    AFAIK:
    1. .WTV (started with W7) will *ONLY* play on:
      1. W7+ WMC PCs
      2. W7+ WMP PCs
      3. Media Center Extenders (per your statement)
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    2. .DVR-MS (started with Vista {?} BUT there's a CONVERT Utility included in W7) will play on:
      1. Vista+ WMC PCs
      2. Vista+ WMP PCs
      3. Media Center Extenders (I'm 'ASSUMING'...)
      4. WDTV Live Plus Media Streamer
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    3. .TS (created by my Hauppauge PVR-1212, for example) will play on:
      1. Vista+ WMP PCs (possibly W7 & XP WMP, but I didn't test it)
      2. *MANY* Media Streamers
      3. Media Center Extenders??? (Don't know...)
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    Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

    That's the fun about all this, there are so many options and possibilities. Everybody has their favorite strategy, usually based on their equipment setups and how much they are willing to compromise.
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    EXACTLY! smile.gif
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    And while Kelson QUICKLY lost interest in viewing SD on his Plasma HDTV, my eyesight and LCD HDTVs allow me to still enjoy 'Prime-Time' SD recorded @ MED on my 'ancient' ReplayTVs (with AUTOMATIC COMMERCIAL ADVANCE), using the Magnavox DVDRs solely as tuners eek.gif , while at the same time recording 'Prime-Time' HD via my SiliconDust Tuners onto my Vista PC (.DVR-MS) and Hauppauge PVR-1212 from by FiOS HD STB onto my W7 PC (.TS).
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    There are just SO MANY choices! biggrin.gif
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Although I've made a LOT of ASSUMPTIONS in this post, my PERSONAL goal is to save HDTV in a format playable on as many INEXPENSIVE devices as possible (i.e. the 'Average' Media Streamer) so that WHEN my ReplayTVs eventually die, I'll have another 'Media Delivery System' already in place. smile.gif
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post #22657 of 23781
12/30/12 at 9:30pm
SUBJECT: Monitor the TEMPs on Those External Seagate HDDs!!!
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

Here's my 11TB external HDD farm.
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NOTE: I just lost the first 30 minutes invested in this late reply by doing a GOOGLE SEARCH in IE8 which overlaid my initial reply, so, this replacement reply is going to be much shorter... mad.gif
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I recognize the External HDDs in your photo as Seagates. I have a 3TB unit with the 4 white LEDs at the bottom. You may want to download a copy of Crystal Disk Info to view the TEMPs of those drives. In the thread on SD with the 'Hot Deal' where I got mine, there was also a post about the HIGH TEMPs / SHORT LIVEs these units have. frown.gif
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Although it IDLEs @ ~37°C, my unit has no problem hitting ~63°C after several minutes of continuous access. eek.gif
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Initially, I was constantly watching for a *SALE* on the D-LINK NAS Kelson has (can't remember the model). But, I eventually ended up with two MediaSonic 4-Bay External HDD Enclosures WITH FANS on *SALE*. biggrin.gif
  1. Mediasonic HF2-SU3S2
  2. Mediasonic HF2-SU2S2
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I was going to run them off an old eMachine Celeron PC w/Win2K, but when its Power Supply suddenly died, I picked up a pair of PogoPlugs (for about the same price as the CUSTOM, aka physically SMALL, P/S). Since my 97-year-old Dad's health took a bad turn for the worse back in SEP '12, I haven't had much free time to devote to anything besides his welfare - but, hopefully, sometime in 2013, I'll be able to get back to my 'Experiments' / Tinkering. wink.gif

Happy Holidays to Everyone!!! smile.gif
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post #22658 of 23781
12/31/12 at 3:02am
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Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

But, right there, you're LIMITING yourself! eek.gifwink.gif
AFAIK:
  1. .WTV (started with W7) will *ONLY* play on:
    1. W7+ WMC PCs
    2. W7+ WMP PCs
    3. Media Center Extenders (per your statement)
    .
  2. .DVR-MS (started with Vista {?} BUT there's a CONVERT Utility included in W7) will play on:
    1. Vista+ WMC PCs
    2. Vista+ WMP PCs
    3. Media Center Extenders (I'm 'ASSUMING'...)
    4. WDTV Live Plus Media Streamer
    .
  3. .TS (created by my Hauppauge PVR-1212, for example) will play on:
    1. Vista+ WMP PCs (possibly W7 & XP WMP, but I didn't test it)
    2. *MANY* Media Streamers
    3. Media Center Extenders??? (Don't know...)

The newer versions of VLC can play and stream unprotected wtv as well. It's just MPEG2 video in a wtv container. VideoReDo can convert it to just about any other MPEG2 format as fast as the HDD can write the file.

I don't have a WDTV Live streamer so I'm not gaining anything by converting to DVR-MS.

All of my TS files will play in Meda Center and extenders but without fast forward and rewind capability.
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post #22659 of 23781
12/31/12 at 3:14am
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Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

SUBJECT: Monitor the TEMPs on Those External Seagate HDDs!!!
I recognize the External HDDs in your photo as Seagates. I have a 3TB unit with the 4 white LEDs at the bottom. You may want to download a copy of Crystal Disk Info to view the TEMPs of those drives. In the thread on SD with the 'Hot Deal' where I got mine, there was also a post about the HIGH TEMPs / SHORT LIVEs these units have. frown.gif
Good eye. Three of the upright drives and the flat one are 2TB, and the fourth upright one is 3TB.

Thanks for the temp tip but a server build with good cooling is my next project. Those Seagate externals have standard Barracuda SATA drives inside. I'm going to strip the drives out of the enclosures and put them in the server. I've taken a dead one apart already and it's not too hard. Temps didn't kill that drive, a rapid cycling power failure damaged the drive motor. I swapped it in place of one of my internal SATA drives and it won't even spin up.
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post #22660 of 23781
12/31/12 at 8:48am
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Table VI added to the HDD Replacement section of the help file.

 

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post #22661 of 23781
12/31/12 at 10:19am
I picked up a 100 pk of JVC Yaiyo Yuden 52x CD-R, 100 pk of Verbatim AZO DVD-R and I couldnt help myself and picked up a 25 pk of Verbatim Digital Vinyl for give aways.

I also checked into my stash and saw that I had nearly a full stack of Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-Rs and also 50 Fuji 52x CD-Rs and and 50 Verbatim 52x CD-Rs, plus about 20 left out of a 100 pk of Sony DVD-Rs.

Thanks for the suggestions!
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post #22662 of 23781
12/31/12 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

With the Panasonic recorders I most often use the LP (four hour per DVD) recording mode and to a lesser extent SP or EP (six hour option for some and eight hour option for streamed, 8.5 hour compilations). With the Funai brands I most often use the LP recording mode and to a lesser extent SP, EP or SLP recording modes (depending upon content and source.)
I enter disc content into a customized MS Works Database file.
The DVDs are placed in albums, usually of around 325 disc capacity (anything with more capacity is unwieldy), and stored upright on large format bookshelves in my home office. The attached photo of my home-recorded DVD achive is from July 2010. The archive is twice that size now.
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Could you please list the dimensions of a filled album?


Thanks,

Jim
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post #22663 of 23781
12/31/12 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

I sure do!
Along with the two DTVPal DVR's with 1TB drive mods, and a Channelmaster CM-7400 with a 1.5tb drive swapped into it that I also have, all of which record in actual HD if the programming is in HD.
So I really have no need for four maggie's as well, so just two of them will be more than enough for anything that I also want to burn to a DVD from their hard drives.
And all that's not counting the Magnavox DVD Recorder and 4-Head Hi-Fi Stereo VCR, ZV457MG9 combo DVD recorder and VCR with a built-in ATSC digital tuner that I also have. Just in case some relative or friend who is still stuck in the stoneage VHS era and refuses to get a DVD player, but still wants a VHS recording/copy of something that I may have that they don't.


What brand/model 1 TB drive did you install in the DTVPAL DVRs?
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post #22664 of 23781
12/31/12 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

The attached photo of my home-recorded DVD achive is from July 2010. The archive is twice that size now.
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Why not take and post a more recent picture? I would love to see what a 13K disk library looks like.
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post #22665 of 23781
12/31/12 at 5:10pm
this afternoon I was trying to set up some dvd recordings for tomorrow morning (Jan 1). The scheduling worked ok, but usually for dvd it will show remaining time based on recording length. For the 3 new recordings, it shows 0. If I change the start end times to be tomorrow night (ie pm rather than am) it shows the correct remaining time. Has anyone else noticed this? and is it a potential problem for recording, or just a bug?
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post #22666 of 23781
12/31/12 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by twarren View Post

this afternoon I was trying to set up some dvd recordings for tomorrow morning (Jan 1). The scheduling worked ok, but usually for dvd it will show remaining time based on recording length...

Why record directly to DVD when you've got an internal hard drive?
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post #22667 of 23781
12/31/12 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by MannyNY View Post

What brand/model 1 TB drive did you install in the DTVPAL DVRs?

I don't even remember what brand or or model of drives I used, it was almost two years ago when I did it. So I'd wager whatever drives I did use, are probably also discontinued now and no longer available to purchase anymore.
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post #22668 of 23781
12/31/12 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by twarren View Post

this afternoon I was trying to set up some dvd recordings for tomorrow morning (Jan 1). The scheduling worked ok, but usually for dvd it will show remaining time based on recording length. For the 3 new recordings, it shows 0. If I change the start end times to be tomorrow night (ie pm rather than am) it shows the correct remaining time. Has anyone else noticed this? and is it a potential problem for recording, or just a bug?
Like the man said, record to HDD then move it to DVD. Just shows how few people record to DVD.

I would test it for you, but I don't plan on being awake. Even though it is 1/1.

Update: Only happens on 12/31/xx so be careful on New Year's Eve. Front panel displays correct data.
Edited by JoeKustra - 1/1/13 at 4:26am
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post #22669 of 23781
12/31/12 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

Why record directly to DVD when you've got an internal hard drive?

Maybe like me, he's been getting E50 and E49 errors! Happy 2013.
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post #22670 of 23781
1/1/13 at 5:30am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Like the man said, record to HDD then move it to DVD. Just shows how few people record to DVD.
All of my live broadcast timer recordings go on the HDD but I do record directly to DVD once in a while. I usually only do that when I want to copy something off the cable box DVR or Roku and import it to the PC. It just doesn't make sense to do a real time recording to the HDD then have to wait another 20 minutes for the high speed dub to DVD. I'm going to do all the editing on the PC anyway. If the real time recording to DVD fails (hasn't happened to me yet) I can just start over.
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post #22671 of 23781
1/1/13 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

Why record directly to DVD when you've got an internal hard drive?

If I know that I want a program on DVD and don't need to do any editing on it, why would I not record directly to DVD?
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1/1/13 at 5:55am
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Originally Posted by twarren View Post

If I know that I want a program on DVD and don't need to do any editing on it, why would I not record directly to DVD?
HDD recording is more reliable. If you have several programs to record you would need to be there to switch DVDs as they get full. Recording to the HDD first then using high speed dub to copy to DVD reduces the wear and tear on the DVD drive. If none of those things matter to you, go for it. I personally do what's most convenient for me at the time. If I wear out the burner I'll replace the drive.
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post #22673 of 23781
1/1/13 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by twarren View Post

If I know that I want a program on DVD and don't need to do any editing on it, why would I not record directly to DVD?
Because if anything goes wrong you're SOL.
If something goes wrong when dubbing from HDD to DVD you can simply do it again.
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post #22674 of 23781
1/1/13 at 12:22pm
Or do what I do ... burn to HDD, and leave them there. I've burned a couple test disks just to make sure the drive works. When I run out of room, I'll swap hard drives and keep crunching 1s and 0s courtesy of an external dock.

Don't know if yall remember - I got a 537 and attempted to put a 2tb drive in it. Somebody had to do it, right?
Eh. It works, but ... no increase in storage capacity over the original 1tb drive. The limit is apparently built into the firmware.

Here's a nudie pic of the 537 ...



Looks like the main changes are in the tuner, and of course, the hard drive. That's a 24/7 streaming video server rated Seagate, so they're not cutting corners there at all.

Next part of the mods is to pull the drive out of the Maggie, add an eSATA jack, and cable up to a HDD dock/duplicator. Plug the OEM drive into that, and I'll be able to swap drives to expand the storage capacity. The duplicator feature will make backups quick and easy. Just plug in a second drive and hit the go button. Got all the parts ... just need to do it.

I got the original drive back in the Maggie right now. I'm good for around 580 hours of video at SPP. Only half full, so I got plenty of time to git er done.
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post #22675 of 23781
1/2/13 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

HDD recording is more reliable. If you have several programs to record you would need to be there to switch DVDs as they get full. Recording to the HDD first then using high speed dub to copy to DVD reduces the wear and tear on the DVD drive. If none of those things matter to you, go for it. I personally do what's most convenient for me at the time. If I wear out the burner I'll replace the drive.

good points, thanks to all who responded.

Even though I was initially just trying to document a potential bug in the remaining recording time calculation logic (which by the way was present for both DVD and HDD, but didn't end up causing a problem), I've learned a lot from the responses and will be utilizing the high speed dubbing capability more in the future (a new year's resolution! smile.gif
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post #22676 of 23781
1/2/13 at 5:37pm
Hello,

I came across the forums while googling a problem with my new Magnavox MDR537H and hope somebody can help.......My unit has two problems; it won't hold settings made under General Settings, and DTV Closed Captioning won't work.

I'm connected directly to the cable with no cable box. I'm using HDMI to connect to a Samsung plasma TV, and I have the 537's power cord connected to an APC Battery backup UPS. I use the remote control for all actions. Sometimes, but not every time, when I turn the unit back on after it has been turned off for varying lengths of time, it holds the channels that have been auto-tuned in but otherwise reverts to its default settings and the Initial Setup menu appears. If I have the FPL set to dark, I can see it brighten (its default setting) as the unit powers up after having been turned off. (I'm saying turned off and on, but i think the proper terminology is put in and out of standby.)

This is the second unit I've had. The first unit acted the same way (except closed captioning did work on it), so I exchanged it for another unit after talking to the manufacturer's help desk and being told it just wasn't holding its settings and there was nothing I could do about it except send it in for repairs or return it. But the fact that I have a second unit acting the same way (plus the closed captioning won't work) makes me wonder if I am missing something.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. It works well except for the problems described, and I hate to have to return another one.........

Thanks,
GDHS
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post #22677 of 23781
1/2/13 at 5:48pm
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Hello,
I came across the forums while googling a problem with my new Magnavox MDR537H and hope somebody can help.......My unit has two problems; it won't hold settings made under General Settings, and DTV Closed Captioning won't work.
I'm connected directly to the cable with no cable box. I'm using HDMI to connect to a Samsung plasma TV, and I have the 537's power cord connected to an APC Battery backup UPS.
GDHS

This is the first time I ever heard of such a problem. What does seem to stick is the channels.

Bigtime shot in the dark: Do a rescan with rf disconnected. See if settings, like manual clock stick. I'm guessing one of your channels is giving your unit problems. Trick will be finding which one.

I have used my 515H on clear QAM and never had an issue. My cable feed strips the PSIP and doesn't add SCTE-127, so it's pretty clean. I still get 22 analog and 120 digital channels. I never use the analog.
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1/2/13 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by GDHS View Post

I came across the forums while googling a problem with my new Magnavox MDR537H and hope somebody can help.......My unit has two problems; it won't hold settings made under General Settings, and DTV Closed Captioning won't work.

I'm connected directly to the cable with no cable box. I'm using HDMI to connect to a Samsung plasma TV, and I have the 537's power cord connected to an APC Battery backup UPS. I use the remote control for all actions. Sometimes, but not every time, when I turn the unit back on after it has been turned off for varying lengths of time, it holds the channels that have been auto-tuned in but otherwise reverts to its default settings and the Initial Setup menu appears. If I have the FPL set to dark, I can see it brighten (its default setting) as the unit powers up after having been turned off. (I'm saying turned off and on, but i think the proper terminology is put in and out of standby.)

This is the second unit I've had. The first unit acted the same way (except closed captioning did work on it), so I exchanged it for another unit after talking to the manufacturer's help desk and being told it just wasn't holding its settings and there was nothing I could do about it except send it in for repairs or return it. But the fact that I have a second unit acting the same way (plus the closed captioning won't work) makes me wonder if I am missing something.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. It works well except for the problems described, and I hate to have to return another one.........

 

Usually, seeing the Setup menu again after having "set" it means you didn't select the OSD Language or it didn't "take." This can be checked in the Display > OSD Language menu. After you select "English" and press OK, the menu should immediately disappear, indicating it has been set properly (has "taken").

 

If your setup has ANYTHING that could contribute to actually turning power off, like an external, switched power strip or wall switch, that can cause reappearance of the Setup menu. If no switch, check the UPS for possible "off" condition in some weird (?) circumstances (prob. nothing here but you never know).

 

Here's a help file on CC, describing the 2-step process to turn DTV CC ON for viewing and separately for RECORDING... not all programs have CC, and they can take up to 1-minute to start appearing:

 

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12298458

 

If a program has ANALOG CC, that can only be seen by turning the TV's CC control on (usually CC1 for English), and it HAS TO BE recorded since it appears in the VBI of an interlaced pic, but the TV controls viewing.

 

Many cablecos charge more for digital tier channels but send analog anyway, and you might not notice unless you have a machine that can report the true signal data as analog or digital (Tivo, for one). I don't think turning DTV CC on will work in that case.


Edited by wajo - 1/2/13 at 6:23pm
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1/3/13 at 6:05am
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

Because if anything goes wrong you're SOL.
If something goes wrong when dubbing from HDD to DVD you can simply do it again.

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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

HDD recording is more reliable. If you have several programs to record you would need to be there to switch DVDs as they get full. Recording to the HDD first then using high speed dub to copy to DVD reduces the wear and tear on the DVD drive. If none of those things matter to you, go for it. I personally do what's most convenient for me at the time. If I wear out the burner I'll replace the drive.

so, I tried the high speed dubbing procedure by:

recording 4 programs to HDD (each at SLP)
using dub to select these 4 programs and dub to dvd

result:

after adding the 4 programs to the dubbing list, when I select Start Dubbing, the HIGH option is not highlighted (or selectable) - only options are SLP and AUTO.
The screen shows: 4083 MB for selected titles, and 4424 MB available on disc.

If I select only 3 of the 4 programs (I tried several combinations), then HIGH does become highlighted (but for these cases the total for selected titles is around 3000 MB)

Is there some restriction on amount of program data for HSD, other than disc capacity?
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1/3/13 at 6:24am
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Originally Posted by twarren View Post

so, I tried the high speed dubbing procedure by:

recording 4 programs to HDD (each at SLP)
using dub to select these 4 programs and dub to dvd

result:

after adding the 4 programs to the dubbing list, when I select Start Dubbing, the HIGH option is not highlighted (or selectable) - only options are SLP and AUTO.
The screen shows: 4083 MB for selected titles, and 4424 MB available on disc.

If I select only 3 of the 4 programs (I tried several combinations), then HIGH does become highlighted (but for these cases the total for selected titles is around 3000 MB)

Is there some restriction on amount of program data for HSD, other than disc capacity?

 

See table in this help file.

 

More info and help files on Page 1 of this thread.

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