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post #22681 of 23915
1/3/13 at 6:44am
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See table in this help file.

More info and help files on Page 1 of this thread.

thanks; I guess that explains it - for SLP mode an upper limit of 5:41; too bad. All the other modes have larger capacity for HSD than RTD and about the same as RTR.
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post #22682 of 23915
1/3/13 at 7:33am
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so, I tried the high speed dubbing procedure by:

recording 4 programs to HDD (each at SLP)
using dub to select these 4 programs and dub to dvd

result:

after adding the 4 programs to the dubbing list, when I select Start Dubbing, the HIGH option is not highlighted (or selectable) - only options are SLP and AUTO. The screen shows: 4083 MB for selected titles, and 4424 MB available on disc.

If I select only 3 of the 4 programs (I tried several combinations), then HIGH does become highlighted (but for these cases the total for selected titles is around 3000 MB)

I have 5 of these machines. They often omit the time of the last title added when displaying the space calculation and speed select screen. IOW, if I select 3 titles for HSD, 2900 or so MB is shown as required, even though I know nearly the whole DVD is required, and adding a 4th title would make HSD, HQ & SP non-selectable.

FWIW, I never dub anything on a Funai unless it was recorded at HQ or SP. If I've recorded something on a Funai that I want to save to DVD but cannot fit on a single DVD, I play it back to a Pioneer DVR, which has record quality (compression rate) selectable at 10 minute increments, then dub from the Pioneer to use virtually the whole DVD, and maximize the resulting DVD quality.
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post #22683 of 23915
1/3/13 at 3:39pm
I've checked J&R and seen nothing.

Have any of the new models shown up anywhere as refurbs yet?
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1/3/13 at 3:50pm
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Worldwide Dist. has a couple at more than their new Walmart price.

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post #22685 of 23915
1/3/13 at 11:22pm
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Worldwide Dist. has a couple at more than their new Walmart price.

Are you kidding?

Refurbs at more than you can get a new one for?
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post #22686 of 23915
1/3/13 at 11:39pm
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Worldwide Dist. has a couple at more than their new Walmart price.

Are you kidding?

Refurbs at more than you can get a new one for?

Not unexpected or unusual given the supply, demand, & pricing history we know about this line. Don't forget, many Americans refuse to shop at WalMart, and so may have no idea these exist without stumbling onto them "bargain" hunting such places as WWD or J&R.
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post #22687 of 23915
1/4/13 at 5:07am
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Walmart has raised the price of the 533 and 535.

 

Now $218 and $248.

 

537 still $279.

 

Now, all are $30 apart. Had "always" been at least $40 apart. They were selling many more 533's than the others, although they were adding stock of all models at ~same high levels every few days before Xmas. I suspect they *may* be running low on 533's and trying to create more interest in the higher-capacity units to even out inventory. This is just a SWAG since we can't see their inventory levels anymore.

 

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post #22688 of 23915
1/4/13 at 6:35am
Free home shipping is gone too.
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post #22689 of 23915
1/4/13 at 12:13pm
I had been putting off buying a 535 since October. I finally went ahead and purchased one on 12/31. I'm glad I purchased it when I did because if I had waited any longer, I would have had to pay $10 more. FedEx delivered it this morning. Can't wait to get home to set it up.
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post #22690 of 23915
1/4/13 at 1:26pm
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See table in this help file.

More info and help files on Page 1 of this thread.

thanks; I guess that explains it - for SLP mode an upper limit of 5:41; too bad. All the other modes have larger capacity for HSD than RTD and about the same as RTR.

I recorded the Royal Wedding live from BBC America at the SLP recording mode with a Magnavox 2160. With front and end cuts the complete coverage came in at 5:38, just right to fit on a single DVD (with three minutes to spare). The picture quality of this version is mediocre but still watchable.

I also recorded the Royal Wedding live from BBC America at the LP recording mode with a Panasonic DMR-EH50. I edited out lots of "fluff" but preserved all the "action," bringing the running time down to 4:18, just right to fit on a single DVD. The picture quality of this version is very good.
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1/5/13 at 11:06am
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This is the first time I ever heard of such a problem. What does seem to stick is the channels.
Bigtime shot in the dark: Do a rescan with rf disconnected. See if settings, like manual clock stick. I'm guessing one of your channels is giving your unit problems. Trick will be finding which one.
I have used my 515H on clear QAM and never had an issue. My cable feed strips the PSIP and doesn't add SCTE-127, so it's pretty clean. I still get 22 analog and 120 digital channels. I never use the analog.

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Usually, seeing the Setup menu again after having "set" it means you didn't select the OSD Language or it didn't "take." This can be checked in the Display > OSD Language menu. After you select "English" and press OK, the menu should immediately disappear, indicating it has been set properly (has "taken").

If your setup has ANYTHING that could contribute to actually turning power off, like an external, switched power strip or wall switch, that can cause reappearance of the Setup menu. If no switch, check the UPS for possible "off" condition in some weird (?) circumstances (prob. nothing here but you never know).

Here's a help file on CC, describing the 2-step process to turn DTV CC ON for viewing and separately for RECORDING... not all programs have CC, and they can take up to 1-minute to start appearing:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12298458

If a program has ANALOG CC, that can only be seen by turning the TV's CC control on (usually CC1 for English), and it HAS TO BE recorded since it appears in the VBI of an interlaced pic, but the TV controls viewing.

Many cablecos charge more for digital tier channels but send analog anyway, and you might not notice unless you have a machine that can report the true signal data as analog or digital (Tivo, for one). I don't think turning DTV CC on will work in that case.

Thanks JoeKustra and Wajo, for your help. You nailed it, Joe, with your suggestion that a channel was causing my problem. I don't speak the technical language well enough to describe the situation in technical terms, but here's what I found.
My cable company is what I would call weird. They broadcast the same TV programs on different numbered channels. For example, I can watch the local ABC channel on Channel 3, Channel 3.1 or Channel 1.103 (and maybe others). I normally watch it on Channel 1.103, and therein was the problem. With the 537 on channel 1.103, closed captioning does not work, and if I shut it down while it is tuned to 1.103, the settings all go back to default when I turn the 537 on again. Conversely, if I operate on Channel 3 or 3.1, closed captioning works, and the 537 holds its settings when I turn it off and back on.
I don't know how long it would have taken me to discover that without your help.....matter of fact I probably would not have discovered it and would have returned a perfectly good unit before the return period expired as I always watch the 1.xxx channels.
So THANKS a bunch!
GDHS
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post #22692 of 23915
1/5/13 at 11:20am
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Thanks JoeKustra and Wajo, for your help. You nailed it, Joe, with your suggestion that a channel was causing my problem. I don't speak the technical language well enough to describe the situation in technical terms, but here's what I found.
My cable company is what I would call weird. They broadcast the same TV programs on different numbered channels. For example, I can watch the local ABC channel on Channel 3, Channel 3.1 or Channel 1.103 (and maybe others). I normally watch it on Channel 1.103, and therein was the problem. With the 537 on channel 1.103, closed captioning does not work, and if I shut it down while it is tuned to 1.103, the settings all go back to default when I turn the 537 on again. Conversely, if I operate on Channel 3 or 3.1, closed captioning works, and the 537 holds its settings when I turn it off and back on.
I don't know how long it would have taken me to discover that without your help.....matter of fact I probably would not have discovered it and would have returned a perfectly good unit before the return period expired as I always watch the 1.xxx channels.

 

Use the Channel > Manual Channel Preset menu to get rid of that bad 1.103 so it doesn't "interfere" with op of the Mag.

 

Tuning Interference problems and solutions are described here. 

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post #22693 of 23915
1/5/13 at 12:23pm
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Thanks JoeKustra and Wajo, for your help.
I don't know how long it would have taken me to discover that without your help.....matter of fact I probably would not have discovered it and would have returned a perfectly good unit before the return period expired as I always watch the 1.xxx channels.
So THANKS a bunch!
GDHS

I'm glad it works. I would take wajo's advice. Yes, you have a weird cable company. So do I. If 3.1 is 720p I would stick with that. What are your ABC channel call letters? If it's WEAR in FL, your cable company is passing PSIP data:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WEAR-TV
Edited by JoeKustra - 1/5/13 at 2:17pm
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post #22694 of 23915
1/6/13 at 12:43am
I have a question about the timer recording. I have several shows set to record weekly. If the show isn't on that week, I set it to skip. Recently, over the holiday, several shows were not on for 2 or 3 weeks running. For some reason, some of my timer programs have disappeared. There was no power outage (it's on a UPS and we can tell if and how long power outages happen because of our oven clock) and no one else in my household deleted the programs (only one other person even knows how to set the timer and she didn't delete anything) so why are they gone? Will they automatically delete if they get skipped more than once? Or is it a glitch? Some that were skipped several times did not disappear and some did. So I can't imagine that would be the problem. The timer is how I remember to record something (I usually have to change the time on some of the shows that are on satellite and on at the same time as network shows and some shows are not ones I watch, but my kids do) so it's frustrating when they're suddenly gone.

eta: I should have read first-I see that this can happen. How annoying. Is anyone having this problem with the newer models? Not that I can justify buying a new one just for this but it might push me over the fence...
Edited by gale1965 - 1/6/13 at 12:49am
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post #22695 of 23915
1/6/13 at 7:09am
gale,
Yes, multiple times. Really is irritating because one has to put the title in again. My machine is a 515H.
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post #22696 of 23915
1/6/13 at 7:16am
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I have a question about the timer recording. I have several shows set to record weekly. If the show isn't on that week, I set it to skip. Recently, over the holiday, several shows were not on for 2 or 3 weeks running. For some reason, some of my timer programs have disappeared. There was no power outage (it's on a UPS and we can tell if and how long power outages happen because of our oven clock) and no one else in my household deleted the programs (only one other person even knows how to set the timer and she didn't delete anything) so why are they gone? Will they automatically delete if they get skipped more than once? Or is it a glitch? Some that were skipped several times did not disappear and some did. So I can't imagine that would be the problem. The timer is how I remember to record something (I usually have to change the time on some of the shows that are on satellite and on at the same time as network shows and some shows are not ones I watch, but my kids do) so it's frustrating when they're suddenly gone.

eta: I should have read first-I see that this can happen. How annoying. Is anyone having this problem with the newer models? Not that I can justify buying a new one just for this but it might push me over the fence...

 

What model do you have now?

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post #22697 of 23915
1/6/13 at 7:25am
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gale,
Yes, multiple times. Really is irritating because one has to put the title in again. My machine is a 515H.
After the first time I learned to not use the check box. It takes about the same time to delete the unwanted title and much less time than adding the event back to the schedule. Not perfect, but nothing will be missed.
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post #22698 of 23915
1/6/13 at 7:29am
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What model do you have now?
I would speculate a 513 or 515 since the check box was not on the 2160A until the V2160A update. True, saying "newest" and not "newer" would be more logical.
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post #22699 of 23915
1/6/13 at 7:39am
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I would speculate a 513 or 515 since the check box was not on the 2160A until the V2160A update. True, saying "newest" and not "newer" would be more logical.

The 513s didn't have skip from the factory either.
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post #22700 of 23915
1/6/13 at 7:41am
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The 513s didn't have skip from the factory either.
That means the unit must be a 515H unless the firmware update was applied.
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post #22701 of 23915
1/6/13 at 9:29am
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The 513s didn't have skip from the factory either.
That means the unit must be a 515H unless the firmware update was applied.

And original firmware, since lost timer items was fixed by a "V" firmware upgrade.
Edited by mrmazda - 1/6/13 at 11:27am
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post #22702 of 23915
1/6/13 at 9:36am
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After the first time I learned to not use the check box. It takes about the same time to delete the unwanted title and much less time than adding the event back to the schedule. Not perfect, but nothing will be missed.

Same here, except when I want to use the time slot for something else, like last week's Downton Abbey marathon. Then I stick a post-it on my forehead to make sure I remember to re-activate the regular recording, or reprogram it if it's gone.

But I don't like to skip recordings anyway because I rely on the ZAP2IT schedule as far as 2 weeks in advance, and things can change (e.g. a postponed playoff game could reinstate an airing that was scheduled to be skipped) - that's saved my bacon a few times...

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1/6/13 at 10:22am
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Same here, except when I want to use the time slot for something else, like last week's Downton Abbey marathon. Then I stick a post-it on my forehead to make sure I remember to re-activate the regular recording, or reprogram it if it's gone.
But I don't like to skip recordings anyway because I rely on the ZAP2IT schedule as far as 2 weeks in advance, and things can change (e.g. a postponed playoff game could reinstate an airing that was scheduled to be skipped) - that's saved my bacon a few times...
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Guides and scheduling are a crap shoot in general. The post that started this was about checked shows going away after two weeks. I never saw that and it was not the specific focus of the update. I have seen changes done to a schedule vaporizing a checked recording which was what the update was supposed to prevent. A fine line and probably not relevant.

As for guides or looking into the future: The Weather Channel 1/10/13 at 9pm and 9:30pm. Zap2it and Tivo are wrong. TVGOS and TitanTV are right. TVGuide.com is 1/2 right. A good guide is hard to find. [joke]
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post #22704 of 23915
1/6/13 at 11:07am
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What model do you have now?
I still have the 515H (the one in my signature). Thanks all, for the suggestions. I might just start letting it record and deleting then. I'll just have to remember to do it right away. I don't want someone to think they're going to watch a show and then have it end up being a different show. I thought the extra recording would cause more wear and tear but it doesn't?
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post #22705 of 23915
1/6/13 at 11:15am
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I still have the 515H (the one in my signature). Thanks all, for the suggestions. I might just start letting it record and deleting then. I'll just have to remember to do it right away. I don't want someone to think they're going to watch a show and then have it end up being a different show. I thought the extra recording would cause more wear and tear but it doesn't?
Not everyone displays signatures. I don't understand the question about using the recorder causing more wear.
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post #22706 of 23915
1/6/13 at 11:30am
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I thought the extra recording would cause more wear and tear but it doesn't?
That all depends on how you use it. The auto record buffer is recording whenever it's turned on. Watching a TV show puts the same amount of wear on it as recording a program to the HDD.
I have 5,698 hours of use on my 515 and it's still going strong.
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1/6/13 at 11:35am
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I thought the extra recording would cause more wear and tear but it doesn't?

Whenever it's on it's recording whatever it's tuned to, so the amount of extra wear and tear to change to the timer's channel from the current channel is too small to calculate or even estimate. There is nominal wear and tear from the startup/shutdown cycling when the machine is off at timer start, same as with anything that uses a HD and isn't left on continuously. I find it frustrating for any recorder to not be able to be configured to automatically stay on at the end of a timer recording.
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1/6/13 at 11:49am
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What model do you have now?
I still have the 515H (the one in my signature). Thanks all, for the suggestions. I might just start letting it record and deleting then. I'll just have to remember to do it right away. I don't want someone to think they're going to watch a show and then have it end up being a different show. I thought the extra recording would cause more wear and tear but it doesn't?

 

You might want to check your FW and see if your 515 might have the very firs BE FW, 724V, and if so, consider updating to SuperFW 727V?

 

Can't hurt and just might help.

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1/6/13 at 12:23pm
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I still have the 515H (the one in my signature). Thanks all, for the suggestions. I might just start letting it record and deleting then. I'll just have to remember to do it right away. I don't want someone to think they're going to watch a show and then have it end up being a different show. I thought the extra recording would cause more wear and tear but it doesn't?

My 3576 &2160A don't have the skip feature, so I don't worry too much about not using it on the 515. I suppose if I really wanted to skip a week I would change the date to one a month out, and hope I didn't forget to change it back in time! I avoid unnecessary use of the DVD drive, but I'm not too worried about the hard drive - I figure recording is pretty light-duty compared to editing, and even that doesn't compare to the workout a drive would get doing video editing on a PC...

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1/6/13 at 12:45pm
ok thanks everyone. I didn't realize there was an option to turn off signatures. I thought having it there would let anyone know what I have so I guess I'll have to remember to add it to my posts each time.

I am actually planning to buy a newer machine at some point. But I hate to buy one just as a backup and not use it and we really don't need two in use. I just don't want something to happen to this one and not be able to find another.
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