Magnavox 537, 535, 533, 515, 513, 2160A, 2160, 2080 & Philips 3576, 3575 - Page 763

That would be nice, but I'm not sure if the thread title can get much longer.

Hey guys, been gone a while. Before I spend the time going back over dozens of pages of posts, anyone care to give me a synopsis of any major happenings over the last few months? I assume the 533/5/7 models are still selling strong and there is no news yet about any newer models yet? How about any fun discoveries about the new model line (good, bad, ugly, bugs, tips/tricks)? Still going strong here with my 3576, 513 & 515.

If that new model would be a Hi-Def recorder then it would need a new thread.

So two members are unable to HSD less-than-SP recordings? My latest recorder is the 515 - is this some new "feature" of the 53x recorders? Hell, the lower recording modes are the highest beneficiaries of HSD - who wants to spend 4 hours dubbing a full disk of EP recordings when HSD does it in what - 25 minutes maybe?

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Let me speculate. Model should be something like MDR10HD since fewer digits have been the pattern. It must also have DD5.1 from HDMI unlike the PHD-VRX. NO GUIDE! That would be like putting a bulls eye on the unit for TiVo. Maybe a wired internet interface for Hulu (etc.)and the clock. I know, I know, what is this guy smoking? We can only dream.

Price keeps going up.

Not just a new thread but a new forum section since this one has been labeled "(Standard Def)"

I can guarantee you - it makes a difference on the 537 anyway. I tried a couple different burns to dvd using SPP index files from the HDD. That should have given me 4 hours on the DVDr based on your statement. I could add three or four episodes and that's it before the high speed dubbing option went away and it defaulted to real time. Did a bit of head scratching and noticed when I put a blank DVDr in the drive, the display showed 2.5 hours available. Reset to SPP as the default speed with the remote, and ... tada!

Firmware change? Ida know ... I just know it don't make sense in my world. I can live with it though, now that I know what to look for.

PS ... I'm done editing commercials on the Maggie. From here on in, I'll do it with VideoDub on the PC. That seems to be much more accurate, and then I'll just store the edited film on the PC as an MKV file. Between actual MKV rips from my old Pannie disks and marker files for what's on the Maggie, I'm up over 500 movies in jRiver. Only a thousand or so to go!

EDIT >> Worth mentioning. On the first couple disks, I topped out at 2½ hours maximum before the high speed dub went gray. After finalizing the disk, each showed the "missing" space as an extra title.


Edited by NOSTRADIMWIT - 1/24/13 at 6:00pm

I never said you could fit 4 hrs of SPP recordings on a disk - SPP mode is 2.5 hrs. If you want to put 4 hrs of SPP recordings on one disk you'll have to real-time dub in EP or SLP mode. If you want 4 hrs per disk, do the original recording in EP - then you can HSD in a fraction of the time...

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What was the original price at? Currently at $229/$249/$279 for the 533/535/537 respectively, which doesn't seem that bad.

The 533H started at $199. I wasn't watching the others. Amazon is higher.

The price is rising because of the drought -- like chicken wings and beef.

The beef price is still rising but there was a message on the MSNBC crawl this morning that there should be enough wings this year. One year, just before July 4th, Walmart ran out of beef patties. Go figure.

Just don't mess with my bacon if you know whats good for you

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I just got wifey one and installed yesterday. In that time it has reverted to intial setup TWICE. The unit is on a UPS, plus there have been no power hits either. It seems this is caused by one of the QAM's on TWC, which points to really poor software design in the unit. ( I install and configure encoders, muxes, and PSIP generators professionally so I have a bit of experience here) For example...it misses QAM 82 (and several others) during channel scan. If I enter 82.6, the channel is tuned and the tuner reads the CVCT and displays it as 235.6 WSOC-HD.I then tune to another QAM channel that it did find in a scan such as WCCB-HD11.1. I then attempt to enter 235.6, which it will not take. After re-entry of 82.6, If I attempt to manually add that channel in setup, it displays in the menu and on the front panel as 117.6. If I tune to 82.6..I can then schedule a recording on 235.6. It is after the recording occurs that the unit appears to go back to initial setup. I am now going to duplicate the recordings on several different QAM's to verify this.

Unfortunately, this is the channel that wifey watches most so this is a real PIA.

If I could get to the right person at Funai, I could send them recordings of the transport streams from the respective QAM's for evaluation. I hate to return the unit, as I suspect the next one will do the same.

WSOC is only virtual channel 9 via OTA, not onTWC QAM 82..where it is 235 in the CVCT...

There is no 9 in the ch memory.. (nor any mapping on any of TWC's local QAM's for WSOC to channel 9). And the unit has not been connected to an antenna to see the OTA TVCT that would have PSIP mapping WSOC to ch-9. See the capture of the transport stream of that particular QAM.

Both times the unit has come up in initial setup, it had no channel memory and required rescans.

Of all the local QAM's that have the CVCT mapping their channels to lower 2-digit numbers..the box will tune. It will not properly tune any channels that have the CVCT mapped to 3-digit numbers..
Specifically WSOC and WTVI, as well as some other clear QAM channels. I have not seen a TVCT on any of TWC's QAM's here.

Small question: is there a valid Clear QAM 82.1 through 82.5 found by the Magnavox and does your TV agree?

I just did a test over the last hour recording multiple channels for 5 minutes each with 5 minutes in between.

QAM 80 CVCT 3.1 CBS
QAM 83 CVCT 11.1 ( My station, which I had TWC remap in the CVCT from 18.1 to 11.1 for marketing reasons.)
QAM 98 CVCT 36.1 NBC
QAM 82.6 CVCT 235.6 ABC

All recordings were done properly. However, after recording the last one on 82.6, the unit came up in initial settings mode with no channel memories, requiring a complete setup again.

The unit also tunes and records my home QAM modulators 130.1 & 130.2 properly. There is no CVCT on that QAM.

As far as tuning interference, I am very familiar with that issue having configured PSIP generators for OTA as well cable multiplexes.

See above transport capture showing QAM 82 with MPEG programs 2 thru 9. the Magnavox will not find QAM 82 upon scan, only if I manually enter one of the desired channels. And yes, this particular tv tunes the channels properly and displays the channels as described in the TVCT, as do my other Tv's.

Your observations agree with SiliconDust:
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:28215#lineup_8976184

Your problem and posts are above my mental pay grade however. I have a similar issue with 26.1 since my TV feels there is a 26.0, so my 515H moves the whole block up by one. I have a strange cable feed, but TWC is notorious for making cable users unhappy. Sorry.

Oh.. you don;t know the half of it..I get to deal with some of their top engineers who would agree with you 100% !

Since I have commercial equipment at my disposal..I just did a few tests with the 537:

I took an ASI transport stream from a GI DSR-4810 satellite receiver with some audio streams.
Fed that to a Tandberg TT6120 QAM Modulator on channel 132 with no SI / TVCT (PSIP). The Tv's and the 537 tuned it just fine.
Next added SI / TVCT (PSIP) using a Wegener DTV720 processor creating 2 programs: 18-18 Tune-1 and 18-19 Tune-11. The Tv's and the 537 tuned it just fine.
Next changed programs to 118-18 Tune-1 and 218-19 Tune-11. The Tv's would tune the channels however the 537 would not.

More Later.

Quite often "standards" are treated as little more than suggestions. Sometimes I wonder how anything works properly

I don't understand why 118-18 is failing unless there is no 118-1, but 218 is above the tuning/scan specs.

The RF limit is channel 135, there should not be a limit on a "virtual" channel as it is simply an ID tag the tuner assigns to the RF channel based on the info provided in the CVCT.. RF channel 83 MPEG Program 38 could be tagged as 18-1 or 180-4 or 235.6 by whatever is entered in the table. If the device will not display virtual channels above a certain number.. then it has a major design flaw, as higher channel numbers are pretty common now with cable ops.
Edited by bdfox18doe - 1/26/13 at 2:22pm

Sorry, I thought you were speaking of physical channel numbers. My cable feed strips the PSIP so I have no virtual channel numbers. The front panel has the ability to reach 999.99, but it may be different internally. Most of my channels have four decimal places on my TV but the Mag shows the important part.