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post #22861 of 25409
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Also, is there any good news about New Models from our Funai friends?

That would be nice, but I'm not sure if the thread title can get much longer.
post #22862 of 25409
Hey guys, been gone a while. Before I spend the time going back over dozens of pages of posts, anyone care to give me a synopsis of any major happenings over the last few months? I assume the 533/5/7 models are still selling strong and there is no news yet about any newer models yet? How about any fun discoveries about the new model line (good, bad, ugly, bugs, tips/tricks)? Still going strong here with my 3576, 513 & 515.
post #22863 of 25409
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That would be nice, but I'm not sure if the thread title can get much longer.

If that new model would be a Hi-Def recorder then it would need a new thread. wink.gif
post #22864 of 25409
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Interesting, our Maggys will always Power Off if you press the Stand By button, even if they are recording. I'm not sure if this also happens with a timer recording.
In my case HSDubbing will only has been available with HQ and SP recordings. I'll check that.

Also, is there any good news about New Models from our Funai friends?

So two members are unable to HSD less-than-SP recordings? My latest recorder is the 515 - is this some new "feature" of the 53x recorders? Hell, the lower recording modes are the highest beneficiaries of HSD - who wants to spend 4 hours dubbing a full disk of EP recordings when HSD does it in what - 25 minutes maybe?

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post #22865 of 25409
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Originally Posted by Kansas_Tom View Post

If that new model would be a Hi-Def recorder then it would need a new thread. wink.gif
Let me speculate. Model should be something like MDR10HD since fewer digits have been the pattern. It must also have DD5.1 from HDMI unlike the PHD-VRX. NO GUIDE! That would be like putting a bulls eye on the unit for TiVo. Maybe a wired internet interface for Hulu (etc.)and the clock. I know, I know, what is this guy smoking? We can only dream.
post #22866 of 25409
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Hey guys, been gone a while. Before I spend the time going back over dozens of pages of posts, anyone care to give me a synopsis of any major happenings over the last few months? I assume the 533/5/7 models are still selling strong and there is no news yet about any newer models yet? How about any fun discoveries about the new model line (good, bad, ugly, bugs, tips/tricks)? Still going strong here with my 3576, 513 & 515.
Price keeps going up.
post #22867 of 25409
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Originally Posted by Kansas_Tom View Post

If that new model would be a Hi-Def recorder then it would need a new thread. wink.gif
Not just a new thread but a new forum section since this one has been labeled "(Standard Def)"
post #22868 of 25409
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I don't understand your last comment - HSD-ing IS whatever mode you recorded at. The mode can only change if real-time dubbing...
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I can guarantee you - it makes a difference on the 537 anyway. I tried a couple different burns to dvd using SPP index files from the HDD. That should have given me 4 hours on the DVDr based on your statement. I could add three or four episodes and that's it before the high speed dubbing option went away and it defaulted to real time. Did a bit of head scratching and noticed when I put a blank DVDr in the drive, the display showed 2.5 hours available. Reset to SPP as the default speed with the remote, and ... tada!

Firmware change? Ida know ... I just know it don't make sense in my world. I can live with it though, now that I know what to look for.

PS ... I'm done editing commercials on the Maggie. From here on in, I'll do it with VideoDub on the PC. That seems to be much more accurate, and then I'll just store the edited film on the PC as an MKV file. Between actual MKV rips from my old Pannie disks and marker files for what's on the Maggie, I'm up over 500 movies in jRiver. Only a thousand or so to go!

EDIT >> Worth mentioning. On the first couple disks, I topped out at 2½ hours maximum before the high speed dub went gray. After finalizing the disk, each showed the "missing" space as an extra title.


Edited by NOSTRADIMWIT - 1/24/13 at 6:00pm
post #22869 of 25409
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I can guarantee you - it makes a difference on the 537 anyway. I tried a couple different burns to dvd using SPP index files from the HDD. That should have given me 4 hours on the DVDr based on your statement. I could add three or four episodes and that's it before the high speed dubbing option went away and it defaulted to real time. Did a bit of head scratching and noticed when I put a blank DVDr in the drive, the display showed 2.5 hours available. Reset to SPP as the default speed with the remote, and ... tada!

I never said you could fit 4 hrs of SPP recordings on a disk - SPP mode is 2.5 hrs. If you want to put 4 hrs of SPP recordings on one disk you'll have to real-time dub in EP or SLP mode. If you want 4 hrs per disk, do the original recording in EP - then you can HSD in a fraction of the time...

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post #22870 of 25409
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Price keeps going up.
What was the original price at? Currently at $229/$249/$279 for the 533/535/537 respectively, which doesn't seem that bad.
post #22871 of 25409
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

What was the original price at? Currently at $229/$249/$279 for the 533/535/537 respectively, which doesn't seem that bad.
The 533H started at $199. I wasn't watching the others. Amazon is higher.
post #22872 of 25409
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

The 533H started at $199. I wasn't watching the others. Amazon is higher.
The price is rising because of the drought -- like chicken wings and beef.
post #22873 of 25409
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The price is rising because of the drought -- like chicken wings and beef.
The beef price is still rising but there was a message on the MSNBC crawl this morning that there should be enough wings this year. One year, just before July 4th, Walmart ran out of beef patties. Go figure.
post #22874 of 25409
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The price is rising because of the drought -- like chicken wings and beef.
Just don't mess with my bacon if you know whats good for you tongue.gif
post #22875 of 25409
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post #22876 of 25409
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This is the first time I ever heard of such a problem. What does seem to stick is the channels.

Bigtime shot in the dark: Do a rescan with rf disconnected. See if settings, like manual clock stick. I'm guessing one of your channels is giving your unit problems. Trick will be finding which one.

I have used my 515H on clear QAM and never had an issue. My cable feed strips the PSIP and doesn't add SCTE-127, so it's pretty clean. I still get 22 analog and 120 digital channels. I never use the analog.

I just got wifey one and installed yesterday. In that time it has reverted to intial setup TWICE. The unit is on a UPS, plus there have been no power hits either. It seems this is caused by one of the QAM's on TWC, which points to really poor software design in the unit. ( I install and configure encoders, muxes, and PSIP generators professionally so I have a bit of experience here) For example...it misses QAM 82 (and several others) during channel scan. If I enter 82.6, the channel is tuned and the tuner reads the CVCT and displays it as 235.6 WSOC-HD.I then tune to another QAM channel that it did find in a scan such as WCCB-HD11.1. I then attempt to enter 235.6, which it will not take. After re-entry of 82.6, If I attempt to manually add that channel in setup, it displays in the menu and on the front panel as 117.6. If I tune to 82.6..I can then schedule a recording on 235.6. It is after the recording occurs that the unit appears to go back to initial setup. I am now going to duplicate the recordings on several different QAM's to verify this.

Unfortunately, this is the channel that wifey watches most so this is a real PIA.

If I could get to the right person at Funai, I could send them recordings of the transport streams from the respective QAM's for evaluation. I hate to return the unit, as I suspect the next one will do the same.
post #22877 of 25409
Thread Starter 

WSOC is virtual 9... maybe try entering digital ch. 9 (PSIP) in Manual Channel Preset menu and see what happens?

 

Make sure to FIRST manually Delete the "other" channels you saw during your problem solving so there's no "tuning interference"

 

I wonder if digital ch. 9 is interfering with 82 or vice versa... see if you have 9 in ch. memory and delete one or the other if both there???


Edited by wajo - 1/26/13 at 7:49am
post #22878 of 25409
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

WSOC is virtual 9... maybe try entering digital ch. 9 (PSIP) in Manual Channel Preset menu and see what happens?

Make sure to FIRST manually Delete the "other" channels you saw during your problem solving so there's no "tuning interference"

WSOC is only virtual channel 9 via OTA, not onTWC QAM 82..where it is 235 in the CVCT...

post #22879 of 25409
Thread Starter 

See my added note on 9 possibly being in your ch. memory... if there's PSIP info mapping to 9, you might have "tuning interference."

I'm just suggesting you explore the "possibility" that PSIP info is causing your problem?

post #22880 of 25409
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

See my added note on 9 possibly being in your ch. memory... if there's PSIP info mapping to 9, you might have "tuning interference."
I'm just suggesting you explore the "possibility" that PSIP info is causing your problem?

There is no 9 in the ch memory.. (nor any mapping on any of TWC's local QAM's for WSOC to channel 9). And the unit has not been connected to an antenna to see the OTA TVCT that would have PSIP mapping WSOC to ch-9. See the capture of the transport stream of that particular QAM.

Both times the unit has come up in initial setup, it had no channel memory and required rescans.

Of all the local QAM's that have the CVCT mapping their channels to lower 2-digit numbers..the box will tune. It will not properly tune any channels that have the CVCT mapped to 3-digit numbers..
Specifically WSOC and WTVI, as well as some other clear QAM channels. I have not seen a TVCT on any of TWC's QAM's here.
post #22881 of 25409
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Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

For example...it misses QAM 82 (and several others) during channel scan. If I enter 82.6, the channel is tuned and the tuner reads the CVCT and displays it as 235.6 WSOC-HD.I then tune to another QAM channel that it did find in a scan such as WCCB-HD11.1.

Unfortunately, this is the channel that wifey watches most so this is a real PIA.

If I could get to the right person at Funai, I could send them recordings of the transport streams from the respective QAM's for evaluation. I hate to return the unit, as I suspect the next one will do the same.

Small question: is there a valid Clear QAM 82.1 through 82.5 found by the Magnavox and does your TV agree?
post #22882 of 25409
I just did a test over the last hour recording multiple channels for 5 minutes each with 5 minutes in between.

QAM 80 CVCT 3.1 CBS
QAM 83 CVCT 11.1 ( My station, which I had TWC remap in the CVCT from 18.1 to 11.1 for marketing reasons.)
QAM 98 CVCT 36.1 NBC
QAM 82.6 CVCT 235.6 ABC

All recordings were done properly. However, after recording the last one on 82.6, the unit came up in initial settings mode with no channel memories, requiring a complete setup again.

The unit also tunes and records my home QAM modulators 130.1 & 130.2 properly. There is no CVCT on that QAM.

As far as tuning interference, I am very familiar with that issue having configured PSIP generators for OTA as well cable multiplexes.
post #22883 of 25409
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Small question: is there a valid Clear QAM 82.1 through 82.5 found by the Magnavox and does your TV agree?

See above transport capture showing QAM 82 with MPEG programs 2 thru 9. the Magnavox will not find QAM 82 upon scan, only if I manually enter one of the desired channels. And yes, this particular tv tunes the channels properly and displays the channels as described in the TVCT, as do my other Tv's.
post #22884 of 25409
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Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

See above transport capture showing QAM 82 with MPEG programs 2 thru 9. the Magnavox will not find QAM 82 upon scan, only if I manually enter one of the desired channels. And yes, this particular tv tunes the channels properly and displays the channels as described in the TVCT, as do my other Tv's.
Your observations agree with SiliconDust:
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:28215#lineup_8976184

Your problem and posts are above my mental pay grade however. I have a similar issue with 26.1 since my TV feels there is a 26.0, so my 515H moves the whole block up by one. I have a strange cable feed, but TWC is notorious for making cable users unhappy. Sorry.
post #22885 of 25409
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TWC is notorious for making cable users unhappy. Sorry.

Oh.. you don;t know the half of it..I get to deal with some of their top engineers who would agree with you 100% !
post #22886 of 25409
Since I have commercial equipment at my disposal..I just did a few tests with the 537:

I took an ASI transport stream from a GI DSR-4810 satellite receiver with some audio streams.
Fed that to a Tandberg TT6120 QAM Modulator on channel 132 with no SI / TVCT (PSIP). The Tv's and the 537 tuned it just fine.
Next added SI / TVCT (PSIP) using a Wegener DTV720 processor creating 2 programs: 18-18 Tune-1 and 18-19 Tune-11. The Tv's and the 537 tuned it just fine.
Next changed programs to 118-18 Tune-1 and 218-19 Tune-11. The Tv's would tune the channels however the 537 would not.

More Later.
post #22887 of 25409
Quite often "standards" are treated as little more than suggestions. Sometimes I wonder how anything works properly
post #22888 of 25409
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Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

Since I have commercial equipment at my disposal..I just did a few tests with the 537:

Next changed programs to 118-18 Tune-1 and 218-19 Tune-11. The Tv's would tune the channels however the 537 would not.

More Later.

I don't understand why 118-18 is failing unless there is no 118-1, but 218 is above the tuning/scan specs.
post #22889 of 25409
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I don't understand why 118-18 is failing unless there is no 118-1, but 218 is above the tuning/scan specs.

The RF limit is channel 135, there should not be a limit on a "virtual" channel as it is simply an ID tag the tuner assigns to the RF channel based on the info provided in the CVCT.. RF channel 83 MPEG Program 38 could be tagged as 18-1 or 180-4 or 235.6 by whatever is entered in the table. If the device will not display virtual channels above a certain number.. then it has a major design flaw, as higher channel numbers are pretty common now with cable ops.
Edited by bdfox18doe - 1/26/13 at 2:22pm
post #22890 of 25409
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Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

The RF limit is channel 135, there should not be a limit on a "virtual" channel as it is simply an ID tag the tuner assigns to the RF channel. RF channel 83 Mpeg Porgram 38 could be tagged as 18-1 or 180-4 or 235.6. If the device will not display virtual channels above a certain number.. then it has a major design flaw.
Sorry, I thought you were speaking of physical channel numbers. My cable feed strips the PSIP so I have no virtual channel numbers. The front panel has the ability to reach 999.99, but it may be different internally. Most of my channels have four decimal places on my TV but the Mag shows the important part.
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