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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Four NEW things:

1. One person got his unit working again by removing a layer of dust! Not sure if I can find that post again, but if I do, I'll post a link. Found it here (a channel problem but still might apply to any op problem).

2. Not sure if you saw my link to a 3575 user who posted a good instruction and tips on replacing his burner and noted his burner PN of N78P3DUN.

Lo and behold, I found a page on parts that includes the burner. They only list 3 parts to Add to Cart, but if you click on Detailed Description tab below the pic, they say to contact them since they have many parts available.

3. Don't trust the Funai support web site on parts availability, next to useless and often wrong!

Call the tel. # or email funaiservice as given in my help file and ask for BOTH the N78P3DUN (which they might not have and they'll refer you to Philips, even tho Philips sold that business to Funai), AND ask them about the Mag 2080 burner, N78F4DUN, which should also work if you don't install the Main PCB that comes with it, as explained before and in the help file.

4. Make sure you try the 3575 FW, as noted before by me and rkg22 above, to see if the machine was left in a state waiting for a FW update.
Thanks again for all this effort! I honestly get lost at times, where I have, and have not been. Then reading about Laser Discs, which is just cluttering my brain.
I tried to blow that dust off, but even with a can of compressed air, most of it is sticking to the boards....
I know when I searched for that part number via google, so few links showed up. Looks like one of the 3 items out of stock is back in stock even since I looked.(and over a weekend).and I never clicked on detailed info, interesting! Looks like I was not checking out that one post closely enough with the pics, so you can remove the burner without removing the 4 screws or the pcb(printed circuit board- I should have known what that stood for, but I didn't, have a lot to learn yet) I'll try to call Mon, and see what if anything I hear....Oh, I'll hook it up again(keep putting out of the way) and see what shows up on the screen on updates...
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Thread Starter 

Blowing the dust wasn't enough for the guy in the story I linked to... he had to use a lens brush to loosen it, then blew again.

 

Try the FW update FIRST and see if it "takes" (allows the tray to close and run the FW update).

 

Keep in mind that, whatever you spend on an old 3575 is some portion of a new 53x unit ($230) or a refurbished unit ($208).


Edited by wajo - 5/19/13 at 8:51am
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Heh, saw the new dust link after I posted...perhaps this owner had a dog too....
Didn't sleep much, so really a poor time to be trying this. When I checked FW numbers...this is what I had
FE R40 014
BE 4P 3374

Other than the order being switched, this is what their PDF said they should be. (What is in bold is what they said was important)
BE Version: HD4P3374EH1E
FE Version: R40_016_000

so the BE seems up to date, but the FE is a lower number. Is that what you all meant about FW hanging up? Or was there something else to look for/towards?
Thought I had some blank cds left, ,but I don't. But, since I can't seem to get the burner to react, is there a point to doing this right now?
Oh my aching head...Time to zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Heh, saw the new dust link after I posted...perhaps this owner had a dog too....
Didn't sleep much, so really a poor time to be trying this. When I checked FW numbers...this is what I had
FE R40 014
BE 4P 3374

Other than the order being switched, this is what their PDF said they should be. (What is in bold is what they said was important)
BE Version: HD4P3374EH1E
FE Version: R40_016_000

so the BE seems up to date, but the FE is a lower number. Is that what you all meant about FW hanging up? Or was there something else to look for/towards?
Thought I had some blank cds left, ,but I don't. But, since I can't seem to get the burner to react, is there a point to doing this right now?
Oh my aching head...Time to zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

 

You have the latest BE FW for the 3575 (EH1E) but the original FE FW (014), which directly affects the "loader" (burner), pickup laser, among other things... so *may* be directly related to your problem. It's certainly worth a try... follow their directions, faithfully. Create a "Data Disc" on a CD (my preferred medium).

 

Some tips on creating the disc are in Steps 6 & 7 here.

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I'll go back to my corner now... until someone asks "how do I make HD recordings on my maggie", or "how do I record 3 things at once". wink.gif

And when someone DOES ask those things, I think we all know how helpful and polite your reply will be....

I'm thinking maybe I should sign up on an iPad forum so when people ask how to expand the storage I can do them the favor of telling them only a complete idiot would pay $500 for a device without an SD slot?

CC
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...Maybe this power supply would be worth a try? Has anyone figured out the correct plug configuration description for these who bought from Monoprice? I can't tell whether they are 5.5x2.1 or something else similar...

As mentioned, it seems A Radio Shack Size O or size N (which is what I got) does the trick.
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I'll go back to my corner now... until someone asks "how do I make HD recordings on my maggie", or "how do I record 3 things at once". wink.gif

And when someone DOES ask those things, I think we all know how helpful and polite your reply will be....

I'm thinking maybe I should sign up on an iPad forum so when people ask how to expand the storage I can do them the favor of telling them only a complete idiot would pay $500 for a device without an SD slot?

CC

Hey! give it a rest. We (or I) do know mdavej has good intention. If you don't agree then just say so. No need to use words such as "idiot" smile.gif
Edited by bodhi78 - 5/19/13 at 3:23pm
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Hey! give it a rest. We (or I) do know mdavej has good intention. If you don't agree then just say so. No need to use words such as "idiot" smile.gif

I didn't read everything but for what I did, "troll" and "idiot" are deserving. If you mock you have to take. I became aware of this thread relatively close to the beginning of it and I think I may have even read over the first thousand posts. I've dropped in for awhile a few times, and I've read most of the last few hundred posts. People haven't gotten uptight about critics of anything about us who use these units or the recorders themselves. Regulars here tell it like it is and no one over-sells these things, not in the least. Facts and information rule more than anyplace I've ever seen. People immediately point out that the recorders are not for the large majority of people when asked what they're good for. Many of us who are interested in these recorders are interested for different reasons. I've explained my interests (and I own three of them) and when I said I've only used mine once for recording to DVD, no one batted an eye. I'm sure no one thought I was insulting them and no one insulted me. I've been in disagreements that stayed civil. I don't think it's necessarily a problem if people get emotional or personal, but it is always better when it's not. Yet it's fair to call a troll a troll.

This thread is a phenomenon. That, I'll bet, we all agree.
Edited by dweezil is in - 5/20/13 at 2:01am
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I didn't read everything but for what I did, "troll" and "idiot" are deserving. If you mock you have to take.
Ok, I can't let this one go. Which posts of mine exactly have mocked anyone? When I ask why you guys continue using DVD recorders in certain cases when cheaper/better solutions exist, it's genuine curiosity, not an insult. And in response to this question, there were several very logical, thoughtful responses. So now I know (habit, comfort, whatever). As I said many times before, I wouldn't be in this thread at all had I not been a DVD recorder user for years. Insulting you would be insulting myself.

Continuing with an analogy like the iPad one mentioned earlier. I imagine if any of you visited the VHS recorder forum, you may very well ask why in the world someone would still be using VHS recorders. It is possible to ask this question without intending to insult anyone.

So if you want to insult me, at least have some justification. Read the progression of the thread, then judge.
Edited by mdavej - 5/20/13 at 11:27am
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This thread is a phenomenon. That, I'll bet, we all agree.

I don't.

 

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So if you want to insult me, at least have some justification. Read the progression of the thread, then judge.

That's no fun.

 

Sorry, I was getting bored.

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Originally Posted by berigan View Post

rkg22, thanks for your suggestions. I tried messing with the buttons, hitting the hard reset button, I can't get the sucker to do anything. It's weird, I see the spindle move, but just for a second. It's like power isn't really getting to anything, but it must. I hear clunking noises, but nothing happens. Oh, tried a prerecorded disc, but nothing happens...It says loading without a disc in it. Manually push the disc in(once it lets me) nothing engages. But I do see open and close on the screen.
Don't think anyone can really gather anything but you never know, here are some pics of the inside of the unit. It looked great on the outside, but so, so very dusty inside! I thought the fan might be blowing in, instead of out, but its blowing out. How could it even get this dirty???? I had already wiped down the top of the recorders before taking pics(unit was unplugged!) left the board alone of course.

 

hi berigan -

 

FIRST - if you watch the spindle without a disc in the tray, it will only move just a bit...  this is normal...  the spindle motor is not a plain old motor; it's a ' stepper motor ' , so it will most assuredly just move momentarily unless there is a disc in the platter...

 

once a disc is in the platter, the spindle should possibly do a small jerk, followed by a full spin up...  assuming i'm correct about the firmware update mode, any disc besides a firmware update DVD ( or, i think, CD ) will just be rejected because the machine cannot find the file it expects, and this will be followed by the machine spitting the disc back out.  at this point the machine is simply saying ' try again ' as it is waiting for the right stuff...

 

SECOND - the display will typically ALWAYS say ' LOADING ' whenever the tray loads into the drive...  this is NOT indicative of something wrong...

 

you really need to go and download the 3575 firmware update, burn it to a DVD, and use THAT disc as the first thing you insert into the drive...

 

if this machine was somehow left in the ' firmware upade mode when you bought it, then NO OTHER symptoms will be important until you try with an actual firmware update disc.

 

if the machine is somehow in firmware update mode ( this would be possible because the previous owner may have tried, and failed, to complete the firmware update process, gave up, and sold it ), your machine is powering up, essentially LOCKED in that mode, and will not do anything until you give it what it wants...  even any of the reset processes ( including the button on the PC board ), may not get you out of that mode.

 

so please save yourself from headaches by first tryin to give the machine what it apparently is looking for...

 

hope this helps..

 

rgds,

ron g

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This thread is a phenomenon. That, I'll bet, we all agree.

I don't.

 

 

Such a surprise! rolleyes.gif

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Ok, I can't let this one go. Which posts of mine exactly have mocked anyone? When I ask why you guys continue using DVD recorders in certain cases when cheaper/better solutions exist, it's genuine curiosity, not an insult. And in response to this question, there were several very logical, thoughtful responses. So now I know (habit, comfort, whatever). As I said many times before, I wouldn't be in this thread at all had I not been a DVD recorder user for years. Insulting you would be insulting myself.

Continuing with an analogy like the iPad one mentioned earlier. I imagine if any of you visited the VHS recorder forum, you may very well ask why in the world someone would still be using VHS recorders. It is possible to ask this question without intending to insult anyone.

So if you want to insult me, at least have some justification. Read the progression of the thread, then judge.

mdavej - I apologize then. I'm not going to go back and read, I'll take your word for it. When I read what might have been your first comments, I skimmed, and interpreted them as mocking. The next reply called you a troll. I didn't see much after that but maybe a couple real long posts that were so long I didn't read them.

If you weren't mocking us then I apologize and I'm an idiot. I'm too lazy to go back and reread. But a couple people had my interpretation, so that's a few of us; I wonder how many got it wrong. Honest critics here are welcome as far as I can tell.
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Wouldn't a separate thread with the topic of recommended devices to record with be a better place to discuss the capabilities or lack there of. where people could talk about and compare different devices to meet there needs. maybe it could start with a list of devices and there links and a list of specs, i'm sure my mag 535 is not the best but It meets my needs, I would rather come here to learn about the device and if I have problems, to maybe find a solution
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Wouldn't a separate thread with the topic of recommended devices to record with be a better place to discuss the capabilities or lack there of. where people could talk about and compare different devices to meet there needs. maybe it could start with a list of devices and there links and a list of specs, i'm sure my mag 535 is not the best but It meets my needs, I would rather come here to learn about the device and if I have problems, to maybe find a solution

 

One place to start is here, which includes links to HDTV recorders, home theaters, the latest non-DVDR options, etc., etc.

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Originally Posted by Nocturnal View Post


But what about the people complaining about the people complaining about the people complaining? ... Oh wait a minute - they're the same people. Me!

And now for something completely different:

The man with the tape recorder up his nose

One nostril is for play and stop, the other for rewind.

Stereo technology advancement:

Palin and Chapman do it together:

"Michael simultaneously puts a finger up his own nostril and a finger on the other hand, up Graham's nostril. We now hear two recordings of the Marseillaise together, but slightly out of sync."

Most are probably too old to remember this, so just pretend it's your mags/philips up someone's noses.

(Hey, not everybody can be Monty Python.)
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And the forementioned noses video, 1:53
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Monty Pyhton"?

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Wouldn't a separate thread with the topic of recommended devices to record with be a better place to discuss the capabilities or lack there of. where people could talk about and compare different devices to meet there needs. maybe it could start with a list of devices and there links and a list of specs, i'm sure my mag 535 is not the best but It meets my needs, I would rather come here to learn about the device and if I have problems, to maybe find a solution

If you're talking about my post on an HDMI to composite device, these have long been on topic in this thread, right from the beginning.

Oh, and in my opinion, your 535 (and its "brothers") IS the best (for SD), and I don't even own that particular model! smile.gif
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SUBJECT: ARRRGGGHHH!!!
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

...If your handy you could also cut the end off your bad power supply(leaving a foot or more of wire) and wire nut it to any power supply with the right voltage and amperage...
eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif???WIRE NUT IT??? eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

Solder offset joints and heatshrink tubing it! cool.gif
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Thanks for the kind words and your analysis, Citibear...
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...I realize HTPC isn't for everyone, but it's (I got it right that time) worth considering when your needs have outgrown a DVD recorder, assuming you have some computer skills.

BTW, windows media center uses zap2it for guide data...
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For the benefit of the 'Non-Techies', WMC is NOT included in Window 8 STANDARD (Big Deal - they changed the name from Home Premium to Standard; BIGGER DEAL - they removed WMC! eek.gif ).
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  • To upgrade Windows 8 Standard to Windows 8 Pro (with WMC) costs $99.99
  • To add WMC to Windows 8 Pro costs $9.99
  • The majority of computers you see on sale nowadays come with Windows 8 Standard.
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For the benefit of the 'Non-Techies', WMC is NOT included in Window 8 STANDARD (Big Deal - they changed the name from Home Premium to Standard; BIGGER DEAL - they removed WMC! eek.gif ).
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  • To upgrade Windows 8 Standard to Windows 8 Pro (with WMC) costs $99.99
  • To add WMC to Windows 8 Pro costs $9.99
  • The majority of computers you see on sale nowadays come with Windows 8 Standard.
To add a bit more: WMC is only necessary if you have cable and are using a cable-card tuner (and with clear QAM on the ropes that is the future for HTPC). If you are OTA, you do not need WMC -- there are a number of free and commercial DVR packages for OTA that are very good.

Yes, WMC is very good for OTA and I've been very happy using it on my Meda-PC under Win-7 for several months -- it comes free with Win-7 and the guide is still free. But if I were faced with having to spend $100 to upgrade Win-8 (God forbid I should ever have to use it) to Win-8 Pro/WMC -- Win-8 Pro/WMC would be my last choice.
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