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post #24181 of 25408
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Originally Posted by mhufnagel View Post

None of the newer Dish dvrs/recievers have S Video outputs. The 211K, 222K, 722K, VIP922 and the H/J only have composite for their sd output. As a new customer, I doubt they'll supply you with anything older.
How well does the composite output work from these newer Dish DVR/Receivers work with this machine?

Thanks,

Neil
post #24182 of 25408
The composite output works very well. I have a 211K and a 222K connected to a Magnavox and a Philips.
post #24183 of 25408
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Originally Posted by nottenst View Post

How well does the composite output work from these newer Dish DVR/Receivers work with this machine?

Thanks,

Neil

I have a lot of dot crawl with the composite output.
post #24184 of 25408
Hi all. Woke up this morning to something I've never seen happen before and can't tell if it's a dvdr problem in the tuner or a cable system problem.

I set a 3 hour timer recording last night and at least 3 times during the recording the channel switched while the recording was running. It started out on the correct channel (76.6 TNT) for about 1 hour and 20 minutes then switched to Carton Network (76.7) for about 3 minutes, then to TLC (76.1) for the remainder of the timed recording. I ended the recording and switched back to TNT (76.6) and in a few minutes it once again switched to TLC (76.1). I tried to use the channel up/down button to get back to 76.6 and it would skip the channel, however when I set the channel manually using the number keypad it went back to 76.6 just fine. Is this a machine problem or a signal loss problem?

The machine is a Magnavox MDR537H recently purchased new from walmart, and the cable company is Metrocast in central NH. Zip code is 03246. If you need more info to respond please just ask. Thanks in advance.
post #24185 of 25408
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Originally Posted by Aragorn8354 View Post

Hi all. Woke up this morning to something I've never seen happen before and can't tell if it's a dvdr problem in the tuner or a cable system problem.

I set a 3 hour timer recording last night and at least 3 times during the recording the channel switched while the recording was running. It started out on the correct channel (76.6 TNT) for about 1 hour and 20 minutes then switched to Carton Network (76.7) for about 3 minutes, then to TLC (76.1) for the remainder of the timed recording. I ended the recording and switched back to TNT (76.6) and in a few minutes it once again switched to TLC (76.1). I tried to use the channel up/down button to get back to 76.6 and it would skip the channel, however when I set the channel manually using the number keypad it went back to 76.6 just fine. Is this a machine problem or a signal loss problem?

The machine is a Magnavox MDR537H recently purchased new from walmart, and the cable company is Metrocast in central NH. Zip code is 03246. If you need more info to respond please just ask. Thanks in advance.

I know this will hurt, but what did your local cable office tech support say? On the other hand, Fox is causing channel games with FS1 and Speed. This advice assumes Metrocast knows what clear QAM means. If not, then we can hope it doesn't repeat. Good luck.

post #24186 of 25408
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I know this will hurt, but what did your local cable office tech support say? On the other hand, Fox is causing channel games with FS1 and Speed. This advice assumes Metrocast knows what clear QAM means. If not, then we can hope it doesn't repeat. Good luck.

Naa, that didn't hurt as I came here first to get a real answer lol. After my last go round with thier tech support I find I know more than they do. I was having severe loss of digital channels and my Starz/Encore pack as well as my on demand feature. the assumption was made by them it was the box because no one else in the area or complex had complained, and after switching the box accomplished nothing as I knew it wouldn't I insisted they come out during the times it was actually happening. I had already told them thier assumption was based on a falacy. This is a low income fed assisted housing complex and this area around me in general is low income renters as well. I reasoned no one else complained because no one else had more than bare bones basic cable. When the tech finally saw what was happening in real time he went out and checked the neighborhood and found it was happening to the entire area. In checking 25 houses besides my complex he discovered I was correct and that not one single other person had any premium or digital services, lmao. Which of course is why no one else complained!

I'm guessing its the cable losing signal just like the last problem I mentioned, but I'm looking to see if this has happened to any other Magnavox owners and what thier resolution was. In nearly a decade of dvdr use on Panasonic machines I've never encountered this before. Thus I'm unsure if its a cable problem or a machine problem.

Oh and by the way, I don't know what clear QAM means anyway, lol. Feel free to educate me. I'm not an idiot but I'm not really at gearhead level either.
post #24187 of 25408
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Originally Posted by Aragorn8354 View Post


Naa, that didn't hurt as I came here first to get a real answer lol. After my last go round with thier tech support I find I know more than they do. I was having severe loss of digital channels and my Starz/Encore pack as well as my on demand feature. the assumption was made by them it was the box because no one else in the area or complex had complained, and after switching the box accomplished nothing as I knew it wouldn't I insisted they come out during the times it was actually happening. I had already told them thier assumption was based on a falacy. This is a low income fed assisted housing complex and this area around me in general is low income renters as well. I reasoned no one else complained because no one else had more than bare bones basic cable. When the tech finally saw what was happening in real time he went out and checked the neighborhood and found it was happening to the entire area. In checking 25 houses besides my complex he discovered I was correct and that not one single other person had any premium or digital services, lmao. Which of course is why no one else complained!

I'm guessing its the cable losing signal just like the last problem I mentioned, but I'm looking to see if this has happened to any other Magnavox owners and what thier resolution was. In nearly a decade of dvdr use on Panasonic machines I've never encountered this before. Thus I'm unsure if its a cable problem or a machine problem.

Oh and by the way, I don't know what clear QAM means anyway, lol. Feel free to educate me. I'm not an idiot but I'm not really at gearhead level either.

I understand. Sometimes these stories have happy endings. Sometimes not so much. Since you sound like you know what you are doing, can you get a second opinion from your TV? My cable signal runs from 94 to 96 on the 515H. My other stuff also shows SNR which is about 37db.

 

My feeling is that if you can record something bad you are receiving something bad and it's not a fault of the DVDR. This is not absolute, but pretty close. And I could just say "Google QAM" but here is some nice info with pictures: http://www.engadget.com/topics/hd/2009/05/08/hd-101-what-is-atsc-psip-qam-and-8-vsb/ and to keep it simple, people mix QAM, ATSC, NTSC all the time even though they are mixing apples and oranges.

 

QAM is the way digital cable sends data. OTA uses 8VSB but people like to call it ATSC. I think maybe it's because VSB sounds like an STD.wink.gif

post #24188 of 25408
Thanks for the educational link. I've kinda been editing to check how far back this started, if it was even more than a one time bump in the video road. I was away visiting my daughter over the weekend so lots of catching up to do. So far no earlier incidents but still a long way to go.


On another note, it seems as though the scene delete issues of chapter marks differing in high speed dubbing on the 537H may have been resolved or I have been very lucky in my edits. I have checked 6 of my high speed dubbed discs and all edits are where I put them. I only know this because most edits were placed inside the show right at the beginning or end of dialogue and no dialogue is missing or scenes added to.
post #24189 of 25408
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Originally Posted by Aragorn8354 View Post

... it seems as though the scene delete issues of chapter marks differing in high speed dubbing on the 537H may have been resolved or I have been very lucky in my edits. I have checked 6 of my high speed dubbed discs and all edits are where I put them. I only know this because most edits were placed inside the show right at the beginning or end of dialogue and no dialogue is missing or scenes added to.

 

That's interesting for the possibility that the 53x Series might have something different in this regard compared to the older units.

 

Only way to know for sure is to record something with visible "markers" and compare set points with end points after HSD. I used CNBC during stock market times where they run dual banners at bottom with triangular icons indicating up or down movement, as I reported here... tedious but it gives a definite indication of mark locations before and after HSD.

 

It would be nice to know if something has changed in the 53x units.

post #24190 of 25408
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

That's interesting for the possibility that the 53x Series might have something different in this regard compared to the older units.

Only way to know for sure is to record something with visible "markers" and compare set points with end points after HSD. I used CNBC during stock market times where they run dual banners at bottom with triangular icons indicating up or down movement, as I reported here... tedious but it gives a definite indication of mark locations before and after HSD.

It would be nice to know if something has changed in the 53x units.

As I get caught up and make sure my current issue is resolved, I will attempt to do what you did and see if I can confirm the change. Just as a note, you had mentioned in your post that the further along in a title it might become more pronounced, these were hour long tv shows with 6 chapters and no evidence that high speed dubbing had any affect on my edits (72 edit points per disc over 6 discs)
Edited by Aragorn8354 - 8/20/13 at 3:57pm
post #24191 of 25408
Thread Starter 

I (and many other?) will be interested to hear what you find. I'd like to be forced to change my help file info! smile.gif

 

Please check results with frame advance so you can be as accurate as possible in counting any frame shift.


Edited by wajo - 8/20/13 at 6:14pm
post #24192 of 25408
I was reading a bit more about the Dish Hopper and Joey and noticed that the Joey appeared to have a lot less outputs available than the Hopper. Does anyone here have a Joey connected to one of these machines? If so, how is your connection configured.

Some background on where I am coming from here - right now I have a Dish 522 and the TV2 signal is coming directly into my Magnavox (actually to a A/B switch with one side the Dish TV2 and other QAM from cable) . I am thinking up upgrading to either a Vip 722 HD or a Hopper/Joey. I'd like to still have the ability to offload some shows onto my Magnavox. Of course, maybe with the extra storage on the Hopper I shouldn't worry about that anyway. Still, I'd like some advice on the upgrade and still integrating in the Magnavox with the TV2.

Thanks,

Neil
post #24193 of 25408
Hi everyone -
Well I just had an interesting/aggravating thing happen. First night with an MDR537 and I set up two timed recordings, one for 9-11, and one for 11-1 on 2 different channels. When 11:00 came I checked that input to the tv, and the mdr never changed the channel for the second recording, even though it did start a new recording. The only thing I can think of is that I didn't give a minute space between the end of the first and start of the second recording. Could that cause this to happen? I haven't found anyone else complaining of the same problem online yet, so any insight would be great.
-B

Edit: Well that's strange, I just did 2 back to back one-minute recordings on the same two channels and it worked fine. confused.gif
Edited by Becolt - 8/20/13 at 10:45pm
post #24194 of 25408
New Mag 537 owner here. Pretty happy with the overall quality. Editing functions are very limited compared to my Toshiba RDXS35 but I knew that going in. Just wondering if anyone has found any clever editing workarounds to get more out of their Mag 53X.

I noticed the section in this thread's index about the way to make front end and back end cuts to a title since it's not in the manual. Isn't it just as easy to simply use the "divide" function? "Divide" where you want the new start point. "Divide" again where you want the end point. You now have 3 titles. Delete the first and last titles and the remaining middle title is trimmed front and back, unwanted stuff is gone. Seems very simple. Is there some reason why the other method is better?

Is there any way make a second copy of an existing title on the HDD, like a simple copy and paste back to the HDD?

When you high speed dub more than one title on to a DVD and finalize, does the DVD then play those titles consecutively without stopping?

Thanks
post #24195 of 25408
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Originally Posted by Becolt View Post

Hi everyone -
Well I just had an interesting/aggravating thing happen. First night with an MDR537 and I set up two timed recordings, one for 9-11, and one for 11-1 on 2 different channels. When 11:00 came I checked that input to the tv, and the mdr never changed the channel for the second recording, even though it did start a new recording. The only thing I can think of is that I didn't give a minute space between the end of the first and start of the second recording. Could that cause this to happen? I haven't found anyone else complaining of the same problem online yet, so any insight would be great.
-B

Edit: Well that's strange, I just did 2 back to back one-minute recordings on the same two channels and it worked fine. confused.gif

I wouldn't lose sleep on this. I've been doing back to back recordings for years and never missed anything. I blame things like this on cosmic rays.smile.gif

post #24196 of 25408
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Originally Posted by Becolt View Post

Hi everyone -
Well I just had an interesting/aggravating thing happen. First night with an MDR537 and I set up two timed recordings, one for 9-11, and one for 11-1 on 2 different channels. When 11:00 came I checked that input to the tv, and the mdr never changed the channel for the second recording, even though it did start a new recording. The only thing I can think of is that I didn't give a minute space between the end of the first and start of the second recording. Could that cause this to happen? I haven't found anyone else complaining of the same problem online yet, so any insight would be great.
-B

Edit: Well that's strange, I just did 2 back to back one-minute recordings on the same two channels and it worked fine. confused.gif

 

You're not alone... see this post.

post #24197 of 25408
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Originally Posted by xlr8r View Post

New Mag 537 owner here. Pretty happy with the overall quality. Editing functions are very limited compared to my Toshiba RDXS35 but I knew that going in. Just wondering if anyone has found any clever editing workarounds to get more out of their Mag 53X.

I noticed the section in this thread's index about the way to make front end and back end cuts to a title since it's not in the manual. Isn't it just as easy to simply use the "divide" function? "Divide" where you want the new start point. "Divide" again where you want the end point. You now have 3 titles. Delete the first and last titles and the remaining middle title is trimmed front and back, unwanted stuff is gone. Seems very simple. Is there some reason why the other method is better?

Is there any way make a second copy of an existing title on the HDD, like a simple copy and paste back to the HDD?

When you high speed dub more than one title on to a DVD and finalize, does the DVD then play those titles consecutively without stopping?

 

If Dividing works for you, keep doing it.

 

Can't create a 2nd copy of a HDD title on the HDD except by burning it to a disc and copying it back.

 

DVDs with multiple titles play back all titles sequentially, with a slight pause between titles.

post #24198 of 25408
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

You're not alone... see this post.
Oh jeez, thanks for the heads up on that - well it's rare that it's not commercials or "next time on X-show" in that last minute anyway so I guess it's not a big deal. Just a little disconcerting when there's a problem with the new fun toy you just bought. Either way it's WAY freakin' better than relying on the vcr(s) I've been using forever and I can't wait to cut down on this pile of tapes that's been reproducing out in open air on my coffee table.
Now I just want to figure out why there's a difference in picture sharpness between pass-through signal from the vcr and the signal coming through the dvr. The vcr pass-through is very sharp, but a little grainy, while the dvr is almost like a sharply focused photo taken through a diffusion filter:



It's an old tv so I don't have different settings for each source, and that's either cable vs dvr or apples to apples using the same rca cables from the vcr or dvr. No big thing really, just puzzling
post #24199 of 25408
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Too many possibilities to answer your question re: pics.

post #24200 of 25408
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Too many possibilities to answer your question re: pics.
Yeah I figured there might be - I work with audio so I know how picky things can be, then adding video into the equation I assume multiplies the points at which things can get persnickety.
post #24201 of 25408
First, thanks to everyone who has contributed to this incredible knowledgebase about these units!

I wanted to record something from a local newscast tonight using the QAM feed from Comcast, but was surprised to find that I couldn't receive the channel using the tuner on my Magna 513. It had been there a week or so ago. Then I tried some other channels I often watch, and could find none of them, either. When I did a complete rescan, only one channel (and its subchannel) showed up.

I just read the sections of this thread about problems with tuning channels, so I'm guessing that maybe there are a lot of channels with incorrect PSIP information? Or maybe Comcast has moved them outside the frequencies that the Magna can pick up? (Although the list of receivable cable channels in the Magna manual is very extensive.)

Some folks in the S.F. Bay Area have received notices from Comcast that clear QAM is going away in October, so maybe they're fooling around with the QAM assignments more than usual. Shall I give up and attach an antenna to the Magna so I can continue to use the built-in tuner?
post #24202 of 25408
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Being in such a great area for free antenna TV, I'd certainly go to OTA now. I'd love to be able to do that since we get 100% of our recordings here from the networks, but we're 50 miles between larger cities in opposite directions.

 

If you have a HDTV with analog and digital tuners, you might try connecting the incoming cable directly to it and scanning for channels to confirm that it, also, can't pick up any channels before you declare yourself totally enslaved to the Comcrap Monster!

 

They also might be "practicing" for the enslavement action and, since lying is in cableco genes, you might not have to get an antenna since you may still be able to tune the local channels and networks with plain cable... you just never know for sure until you know for sure! Wait a bit before getting that antenna, or use an indoor antenna for now?


Edited by wajo - 8/21/13 at 9:12pm
post #24203 of 25408
Hi, Wajo. Thank you for all the great information you've put in this thread!

I meant to mention in my original posting that the first thing I did after not finding my usual channels on the Magna was to switch the TV to the raw cable feed; the clear QAM channels were just fine there. So my TV's tuner is decoding them fine, but the Magnavox isn't. Does that sound like a PSIP problem?

Although parts of the Bay Area are terrible for OTA TV because of the hills, I'm in an excellent spot myself. I get about 45 channels (mains and subs) on the little TV in my office using an old FM bow-tie antenna hanging from the TV's rabbit ears (fed through a government-coupon converter box). So I can certainly put some sort of little antenna on the credenza behind the HDTV and give that a try.
post #24204 of 25408
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Hi, Wajo. Thank you for all the great information you've put in this thread!

I meant to mention in my original posting that the first thing I did after not finding my usual channels on the Magna was to switch the TV to the raw cable feed; the clear QAM channels were just fine there. So my TV's tuner is decoding them fine, but the Magnavox isn't. Does that sound like a PSIP problem?

Although part of the Bay Area are terrible for OTA TV because of the hills, I'm in an excellent spot myself. I get about 45 channels (mains and subs) on the little TV in my office using an old FM bow-tie antenna hanging from the TV's rabbit ears (fed through a government-coupon converter box). So I can certainly put some sort of little antenna on the credenza behind the HDTV and give that a try.

 

This sounds like some other problem, like the govt coupon box, rabbit ears AND bowtie antennas... didn't know those were in the system. I assume you need the box because you have an old TV that doesn't have a digital tuner? If so, and it still picks up your channels, the Mag should do the same.

 

Since the Mag can replace the box (except for watching and recording diff. channels if your TV doesn't have a dig. tuner), I'd test the Mag alone... remove the box and one of the antennas and connect the antenna that fed the box directly to the Mag.

 

Do one or more Auto Channel Preset > Antenna in the Mag and see what happens. This way, we're isolating the problem to the Mag and can go from there.


Edited by wajo - 8/22/13 at 6:55am
post #24205 of 25408
Hello Wajo. Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my question about defective dvd's at the Walmart review site and enlightening me to this fine site!! Hats off to ya! Hope I can do the same for you some day! Be well
post #24206 of 25408
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Originally Posted by packcardman View Post

Hello Wajo. Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my question about defective dvd's at the Walmart review site and enlightening me to this fine site!! Hats off to ya! Hope I can do the same for you some day! Be well

 

Welcome to the forum... I'm glad you decided to join us! smile.gif

post #24207 of 25408
No, as I mentioned, the antenna and converter box are on the little TV in my office and the QAM problem is with my HDTV. I only mentioned the OTA setup to confirm your guess that I could get a lot of OTA channels here. It has nothing to do with my QAM problem.

The cable feed in the living room is split with one line going into the TV, one into the Magnavox, and one into the cable box.
post #24208 of 25408
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Originally Posted by wintertime View Post

No, as I mentioned, the antenna and converter box are on the little TV in my office and the QAM problem is with my HDTV. I only mentioned the OTA setup to confirm your guess that I could get a lot of OTA channels here. It has nothing to do with my QAM problem.

The cable feed in the living room is split with one line going into the TV, one into the Magnavox, and one into the cable box.

 

You don't need a 3-way splitter, which degrades the signal more than a 2-way... in fact, one output of a 3-way is usually twice the signal loss of a balanced 2-way.

 

Use a balanced 2-way splitter with one output directly to Mag 1st, then out from Mag to TV. The amplified splitter inside the Mag will pass the raw incoming signal thru to the TV while feeding its tuner.

post #24209 of 25408
Well, if I don't have a cable feed going directly to the TV, I won't get the clear QAM channels, since obviously something has gone wrong with the the Magna's decoding of them. It was all fine as recently as a week or two ago, so the 3-way split hasn't been a problem since I got the Magna 2-3 years ago.

As I said, I rarely use the tuner in the Magna, so at this point I might as well just write that off and wait to see what happens with the QAM channels on Comcast.
post #24210 of 25408
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Originally Posted by wintertime View Post

Well, if I don't have a cable feed going directly to the TV, I won't get the clear QAM channels, since obviously something has gone wrong with the the Magna's decoding of them. It was all fine as recently as a week or two ago, so the 3-way split hasn't been a problem since I got the Magna 2-3 years ago.

As I said, I rarely use the tuner in the Magna, so at this point I might as well just write that off and wait to see what happens with the QAM channels on Comcast.

 

You must have missed the part where I said "The amplified splitter inside the Mag will pass the raw incoming signal thru to the TV while feeding its tuner." But that's now a moot point.

 

At this point, you could reload the tuner FW (Ver02C)... maybe it's been corrupted somehow. Info on that is here. Since you have a 513, you'll need only Ver02C.dtv and BE 727V FW... 727V will make your 513 operate like a 515.


Edited by wajo - 8/24/13 at 7:10am
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