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Originally Posted by dfw515 View Post

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Enter channel number 94.1 (WVLA cable box channel 703).  Then try entering channel number 33.1.  One or both should get you your local "HD" version of your local NBC station.
Enter channel number 100.4 (WAFB cable box channel 707).  Then try entering channel number 100.4.  One or both should get you your local "HD" version of your local CBS station.
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Thanks for your post, I'll try this as soon as this cable line here is free again.

FWIW, without any cable connected to the Mag, for the hell of it, I was able to at least enter 94.1 and it appeared to stay on that channel, at least according to the front display. It will be about another hour before I can hook cable back up to it.

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Here is the SiliconDust channel lineup for nearby 70816 zip code (Cox Cable) that does include WVLA (local NBC).   I have found that sometimes you have to try nearby zip codes to get a complete list of local channels available in QAM.  http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:70816#lineup_9887203
Yeah that shows all of them and how I receive them on HDTV's. (At least it shows all of the important ones that I watch). Odd that it's different from 70815.
post #24362 of 25424
Quote: Clint S.

Yes.  Using the Silicon Dust channel page, try entering the channel number in the first column (for NBC, FOX, CW, etc) into your Magnavox.  The column with channel numbers only between 1-135.

 

Since your cable system is rather unique (with your HDTV using channel numbers above 135 in order to see the local channels in HD), this may not work, but give it a try.  Enter those "new" channel numbers (94.1 for WVLA for example) into your HDTV directly (instead of using channel 703).  It MIGHT tune that channel immediately, or the channel number on your TV might automatically change (re-map) to 703 (or 1003).  You can try this test right now if you like.  If it is successful, then my suggestion above will almost certainly work on your Magnavox.  The Magnavox just uses a different type of tuner than your cable box or HDTV.

 

The Magnavox digital tuner cannot access above channel 135.99.  I know you expected to enter 703 for WVLA when using your Magnavox, but you have to enter the QAM channel number (found on Silicon Dust).  You didn't know.  Now you do.  It just took our little community a while to understand your unique situation, and for you to (hopefully) receive the right info.  By the way, on your Magnavox, you CAN enter 3 digit DTV channel numbers, you just didn't understand that you have to enter a DTV channel number between 1-135 (which remaps to the corresponding channel number on your cable box or HDTV's tuner).

 

dfw515


Edited by dfw515 - 9/9/13 at 11:46pm
post #24363 of 25424
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

perhaps you can do it with a little less of the condescending attitude?
If that's how you read it must have something to do with your repeated resurrection of discussion of what happens on analog, which does nothing but sidetrack and litter the discussion of and attempts to help you solve your digital channel trouble; while in the mean time failing to answer any more than a subset of questions asked. If there was no reason why you were asked how many digitals you actually get, regardless whether they are "junk" or not, the question would not have been asked.
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But again, I am unable to enter any 3-digit numbers! Regardless of the DTV/TV mode.
Why can't you? Are you talking about numbers above 135 again? How many between 100 and 135 did you try? If nothing from 100 to 135 is accepted for you it may be because your local Cox doesn't use any in that range for unscrambled services. Most if not all the rest of us have no problem entering numbers from 100 through 135 on any of their cableco-connected Mags. Here connected to Bright House e.g. 106 is accepted, which it changes first to 106.1 (the actual cable subchannel), then to 10.1 (WTSP OTA HD channel 10.1, the same virtual channel number shown by an ATSC tuner on WTSP HD). I can enter 1043, which it first changes to 104.3 (actual cable subchannel), then to 3.3 (OTA designation for WEDU's "The Florida Channel" 3.3 SD).
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So you're saying that I should (for example) try "94.1" (under "Channel") in order to receive NBC (WVLA in the chart), channel 703 ("Virtual")?
BINGO!!! biggrin.gif
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"Ignoring Yet Another One Of Mrmazda's Posts".......... 

Would anyone like to join the IYAOOMP club?  It's free.

post #24365 of 25424
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Originally Posted by dfw515 View Post

"Ignoring Yet Another One Of Mrmazda's Posts".......... 
Would anyone like to join the IYAOOMP club?  It's free.
Indeed, that's best and I'll do the same this time since there doesn't appear to be any point.

So in getting back to the real issue at hand......I hooked the Mag back up and I am able to get these mysterious 700's local affiliate channels. The #'s given at http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:70816#lineup_9887203 aren't all correct, but that's the starting point that I needed. 100.1 is not WBRZ (ABC), I don't know what it is, but it's another ABC affiliate of sorts. WBRZ (ABC) is actually 100.2. 100.4 is correct (WAFB, ABC). I still can't find WGMB (FOX), it's not at 117.2 and that's the main one that I needed. So thanks a bunch to you and those that mentioned the SiliconDust site.

I'm getting channels they don't list, and, channel #'s that they do list that I cannot receive.

Someone asked:

The first DTV channel is 73.1 and there's a total of six in the 70's ending with 77.3

The next channel after 77.3 is 100.1 and there's a total of five in the 100's. So that is a total of 11 DTV channels but only when pressing channel up and channel down. After 105.47 it goes to "L1" (then L2 and L3) and starts all over again. There is no 117.2 (FOX) by doing a ch up or down, nor entering it manually. Just a black screen when manually entering it.

For some reason (some of the channels I list below*) cannot be found when pressing ch up and down, you can only get to them via direct # access (I guess I'll try and add them manually, but I will say again that I cannot enter 3-digits in the channel preset area).

The DTV channels are very blocky and pixelated with breakups for some reason. They are not like that on the HDTV's around here (but again, those TV's get these channels in the 700's if that matters). Could be the cable line in here next to my PC is a bit flaky for DTV. ?

So at least I'm on the right path and thanks again to all of you that mentioned this. I just need to find out what happened to FOX.

We know from this that the Mag's--for whatever reason--don't "behave" like HDTV's when trying to receive local DTV cable broadcast channel # lineups, at least for some reason not on Cox.

1st number is the channel on all other devices, second is the Mag:

NBC 703 = 94.1*
ABC 705 = 100.1? & 100.2 (appears to be something like WBRZ1 and 2?)
FOX 706 = ??????*
CBS 707 = 100.4
PBS 712 = 94.2*

And then of course the several N/A channels.
post #24366 of 25424
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Originally Posted by dfw515 View Post

By the way, on your Magnavox, you CAN enter 3 digit DTV channel numbers, you just didn't understand that you have to enter a DTV channel number between 1-135 (which remaps to the corresponding channel number on your cable box or HDTV's tuner).
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

For some reason (some of the channels I list below*) cannot be found when pressing ch up and down, you can only get to them via direct # access (I guess I'll try and add them manually, but I will say again that I cannot enter 3-digits in the channel preset area).
Yes, what I have found is that I can go to the manual preset channel area, and while I cannot enter any decimal place confused.gif , I can enter "94" then "ADD" that, and then when I do a ch up or down, it will find 94.1, and some others I didn't know about like 94.2, 94.3, etc.

But I tried to manually add 117, and the Mag will go to 117 when doing a ch up/down, but will only stop on 117.1 and 117.2, and showing nothing on those channels. And again, 117.1 is supposed to be FOX (WGMB) according to that website. Still can't find it. Also, I will occasionally see (verbatim) "Scramble program" on the screen for 117.1! eek.gif

Ah, here we go, odd, if I press "Display" on 117.1, now I'm finally getting station info on it and it says "WGMB HD", so that is indeed it! But for some reason, I can't get it. I seriously doubt they are actually scrambling it because they can't do that (as per agreement with Cox). Oh I just saw an image flash on the screen, so evidently this issue is due to a bad or weak signal. But I could have sworn the image was from some local Cox promo feed channel (like maybe a Cox-On-Demand channel) and NOT WGMB!
post #24367 of 25424
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

Ah, here we go, odd, if I press "Display" on 117.1, now I'm finally getting station info on it and it says "WGMB HD", so that is indeed it! But for some reason, I can't get it. I seriously doubt they are actually scrambling it because they can't do that (as per agreement with Cox). Oh I just saw an image flash on the screen, so evidently this issue is due to a bad or weak signal. But I could have sworn the image was from some local Cox promo feed channel (like maybe a Cox-On-Demand channel) and NOT WGMB!
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

The DTV channels are very blocky and pixelated with breakups for some reason. They are not like that on the HDTV's around here (but again, those TV's get these channels in the 700's if that matters). Could be the cable line in here next to my PC is a bit flaky for DTV. ?
As I expected, it was a signal problem.

I have a Holland HCDA-1FRA-AG amp right here (a Channel Master is out back since I know that's where they should be, but like I said, the cable going into this room is a bit flaky so I had to add another amp right here and it cleared up the problems in this room), and when I started to move it a picture started to appear where once was a blank screen. I then adjusted it and now I can get WGMB/FOX ok. These are supposed to be shielded quite well, obviously not, so I moved it away from some AC cords and tweaked the forward and reverse gain and that helped. I can now get more DTV channels and they are all clear now.
Edited by Clint S. - 9/10/13 at 2:23am
post #24368 of 25424
Don't know if I'm posting this right or should start a new thread. I do want the folks here to weigh in as I'm a fellow owner if this DVR. What about this product and how can it really be used to record OTA HDTV? Or can it? It talks about saving HD files onto DVD discs, but that can play in BluRay players. So can you actually record things in HD (for me 720p) and replay it that way??

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

thanks for feedback
post #24369 of 25424
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Originally Posted by ericole View Post

Don't know if I'm posting this right or should start a new thread. I do want the folks here to weigh in as I'm a fellow owner if this DVR. What about this product and how can it really be used to record OTA HDTV? Or can it? It talks about saving HD files onto DVD discs, but that can play in BluRay players. So can you actually record things in HD (for me 720p) and replay it that way??

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

thanks for feedback
There are multiple threads for this unit in the HD forums, but briefly: it is a quality analog video capture device that plugs into the USB port of a PC. If your STB has component outputs for HD and optical output for DD 5.1, this device will capture the analog stream and encode the video as H.264/AVC. You can select a desired resolution for the encoding -- 480, 720, 1080 -- and bitrate. The recording will be stored on your HDD as a standard .ts or .m2ts file. Using the appropriate editing/authoring software you can burn it to DVD-R as AVCHD format (DVD doesn't hold much HD video if encoded at a quality bitrate) or burn it to BD-R as BDMV video. Both have to be played in a BluRay player. Or, you can recode the video as MPEG-2/480i and author it as standard DVD Video and burn to DVD.

If you truely want to record and archive HDTV in native digital format you need a DVR that allows transfer of the recording to PC in the original MPEG-2 digital transport stream. You can then edit the commercials and burn to BD-R to produce disks containing recordings that are bit-identical to the original broadcast. That is the purest you can get. TiVo is the gold standard DVR for that, but there are a couple other less expensive recorders that are a challenge to operate but will store recordings on a portable USB drive that can be plugged into a PC -- see here.
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If you are looking to record and save HDTV in its original streams, take a look at the iView as an ancillary device for your home theater.
It doesn't do SDTV recording, but that's what the Maggies are for.
post #24371 of 25424
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Originally Posted by ericole View Post

Don't know if I'm posting this right or should start a new thread. I do want the folks here to weigh in as I'm a fellow owner if this DVR. What about this product and how can it really be used to record OTA HDTV? Or can it? It talks about saving HD files onto DVD discs, but that can play in BluRay players. So can you actually record things in HD (for me 720p) and replay it that way??

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

thanks for feedback


There is a much-newer and more fully featured model, the HD PVR 2:
http://hauppage.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html

It now has HDMI inputs and outputs and records at resolutions up to 1080p. Every input (component, composite [optional], and HDMI) is passed-through to the HDMI output. Records dolby 5.1 from HDMI or optical. Output formats are .ts, .m2ts, and mp4. And why bother burning this stuff to disk when most inexpensive media players can play these formats directly. It comes with Win TV and an IR blaster so that you can program recordings from your STB. Additional software includes ArcSoft Showbiz, Streemeez and Hauppauge Capture. It's great. (I have one.)
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

There is a much-newer and more fully featured model, the HD PVR 2:
http://hauppage.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html

It now has HDMI inputs and outputs and records at resolutions up to 1080p (...) It's great. (I have one.)

Any issue with HDCP in the HDMI input?
post #24373 of 25424
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Originally Posted by profhat View Post

Any issue with HDCP in the HDMI input?

Not if you use this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004F9LVXC/
post #24374 of 25424
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

There is a much-newer and more fully featured model, the HD PVR 2:
http://hauppage.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html
It now has HDMI inputs and outputs and records at . . .

Just curious.. with this newer device do you lose any features of the 1212? Can it still record from all of the analog inputs like the 1212 can?
post #24375 of 25424
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

There is a much-newer and more fully featured model, the HD PVR 2:
http://hauppage.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html

It now has HDMI inputs and outputs and records at resolutions up to 1080p. Every input (component, composite [optional], and HDMI) is passed-through to the HDMI output. Records dolby 5.1 from HDMI or optical. Output formats are .ts, .m2ts, and mp4. And why bother burning this stuff to disk when most inexpensive media players can play these formats directly. It comes with Win TV and an IR blaster so that you can program recordings from your STB. Additional software includes ArcSoft Showbiz, Streemeez and Hauppauge Capture. It's great. (I have one.)

Sounds like what is wanted is an OTA/ATSC tuner. I don't think the HD PVR 2 is going to help. I use an internal 2250 tuner card. Another option is HDHomerun if you have a network.

scott s.
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post #24376 of 25424
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Just curious.. with this newer device do you lose any features of the 1212? Can it still record from all of the analog inputs like the 1212 can?


Recording video inputs are component, composite and s-video [optional with a dongle], and HDMI. Audio inputs are analog, optical and HDMI. One difference: the 1212 records PCM in 2-channel AC-3 while the HD PVR2 (1512) records PCM in AAC. However, if the audio input on the 1512 is AC-3 then it's recorded in AC-3.
post #24377 of 25424
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

There is a much-newer and more fully featured model, the HD PVR 2:
http://hauppage.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html

It now has HDMI inputs and outputs and records at resolutions up to 1080p. Every input (component, composite [optional], and HDMI) is passed-through to the HDMI output. Records dolby 5.1 from HDMI or optical. Output formats are .ts, .m2ts, and mp4. And why bother burning this stuff to disk when most inexpensive media players can play these formats directly. It comes with Win TV and an IR blaster so that you can program recordings from your STB. Additional software includes ArcSoft Showbiz, Streemeez and Hauppauge Capture. It's great. (I have one.)
You still have to have a PC hooked up to this to work. mad.gif

This is ridiculous:

"Includes a built-in Record button, so you can start and stop your recordings without having to be at your PC."

Then, look at the FAQ's:

"Do I need a PC to use HD PVR 2?
Yes, a PC or laptop is required to use HD PVR 2. The PC is used to both run the HD PVR 2 application plus is the place where HD PVR 2 recordings are stored. HD PVR 2 does not have any internal disk storage.


Rather misleading. Oh well, still nothing on the market that will do this without a PC. frown.gif
post #24378 of 25424
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

still nothing on the market that will do this without a PC. frown.gif

"This" meaning recording 720p or 1080i HD video, either via timer or manually started? I own 4 STBs that do this from unencrypted sources without assistance from any satco, cableco, video subscription or PC. 3 of the 4 are on my LAN. All do require a satellite dish, of which I have 3 currently working, all made 18 or more years ago.
post #24379 of 25424
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

You still have to have a PC hooked up to this to work. mad.gif

This is ridiculous:

"Includes a built-in Record button, so you can start and stop your recordings without having to be at your PC."

frown.gif

They are literally correct: You don't have to be at your PC since there is a record button on the 1512 that you need to hover over and press (but you do have to be connected to a PC -- BFD).
post #24380 of 25424
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Originally Posted by ericole View Post

Don't know if I'm posting this right or should start a new thread. I do want the folks here to weigh in as I'm a fellow owner if this DVR. What about this product and how can it really be used to record OTA HDTV?
Sorry, in my response to you I completely missed that you were talking about OTA. So in that context, the HD PVR is an A/V capture device for a PC. It needs a source to feed it. For OTA, that would be a device with an ATSC tuner that can output HD video from component outputs. It could be a simple ATSC HDTV tuner or an HD DVR. This would not be my first choice to use for HDTV recording unless you already had one for other purposes and wanted to expand its use.
post #24381 of 25424
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post


This is ridiculous:

"Includes a built-in Record button, so you can start and stop your recordings without having to be at your PC."
Not ridiculous. It's like using a USB scanner. You start the software on your PC, go over to the scanner, load the document and push the button on the scanner to initiate the scanning process and send the image to the waiting PC software.

Think of the HD-PVR as a "video scanner".
post #24382 of 25424
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

Not if you use this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004F9LVXC/
That's quite interesting. Do you actually have one of these in use with the HD-PVR?
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Thread Starter 

:eek:

 

FYI to Cable Subscribers

 

People have often mentioned how cablecos seem to move their channels around a lot... I've often referred to their "Hide-The-Channel Game" but never delved into the reason(s) for it.

 

One reason, of course, is "technical"... testing, sorting out new channel assignments, etc.

 

However, here's a post suggesting another simple and sneaky reason: to generate upselling opportunities with existing customers (STB rentals)!?

 

If you lose cable channels, remember to do a new Auto Channel Preset > Cable (Analog/Digital). On the older units (esp. 357x), you might want to do multiple scans.

 

:eek:


Edited by wajo - 9/12/13 at 11:00am
post #24384 of 25424
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

That's quite interesting. Do you actually have one of these in use with the HD-PVR?


I do.
post #24385 of 25424
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

I do.
This is just a 1x2 HDMI splitter. So, simply inserting this between the source HDMI output and the HD PVR-2 HDMI input allows you to capture otherwise HDCP protected content?

I assume you have tried with and without the splitter for the same content stream to verify it can only be captured with the splitter in place.
post #24386 of 25424
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post


This is ridiculous:

"Includes a built-in Record button, so you can start and stop your recordings without having to be at your PC."

Rather misleading. Oh well, still nothing on the market that will do this without a PC. frown.gif

Well there are machines like the MTV-7000D... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1353038/recorder-with-hdmi-inputs-yes-it-exists

Not a Walmart thing, but it works in the US.
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

Not if you use this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004F9LVXC/

AMAZING! eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif This is a very good solution for new Sat / HDPVR users that wanted to keep their recordings in HD.
post #24387 of 25424
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

This is just a 1x2 HDMI splitter. So, simply inserting this between the source HDMI output and the HD PVR-2 HDMI input allows you to capture otherwise HDCP protected content?

I assume you have tried with and without the splitter for the same content stream to verify it can only be captured with the splitter in place.


Your assumption is well-placed.
post #24388 of 25424
I have a 515. Why does this Up-convert so darn well? Absolutely amazing actually.

When people come over they think the SD DVDs I play are Blurays... why?

I am running the 515 through a Pioneer received out through a HDMI up-converted to 1080P.

It looks much better than my PS3 and a Panny Bluray for SD DVDs!
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ace5000 View Post

I have a 515. Why does this Up-convert so darn well? Absolutely amazing actually.

When people come over they think the SD DVDs I play are Blurays... why?

I am running the 515 through a Pioneer received out through a HDMI up-converted to 1080P.

It looks much better than my PS3 and a Panny Bluray for SD DVDs!

 

Probably has lots to do with you doing things right!? :)

 

Recorded quality starts with the source. You're prob, recording a high-quality (HQ) digital production on a HQ (digital) channel at a HQ or SP rec mode..

 

That theme prob. continues thru the elements of your system.,, an HQ receiver and TV..

post #24390 of 25424
No, not from the HD, but SD DVDs from the DVD player! The up-converter in this thing is special. Anyone know why?
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