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Am I the only person that's seen this problem?
Perhaps you are. All these machines have hiccups -- a brief power dip could have caused a memory corruption or firmware glitch producing a one-time event. And the older they get the more likely it is to happen. If you are using a 2160a you are already past its end of life.
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.... If you are using a 2160a you are already past its end of life.

This particular one really shouldn't be. He bought it from me, and I had only used it briefly over a few week period in April 2010. Aside from that it sat in its original box until I sold it to Clint a month or two ago . . .

It's almost like NOS (New Old Stock) smile.gif
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Am I the only person that's seen this problem?
It's hard to answer. Perhaps others couldn't duplicate the problem and never posted the observation. I have two bad clock stations. One is bad (for the Mag) at midnight Mon-Fri. One is bad (for the Mag) on Sat-Sun. My one TV checks at midnight and doesn't detect the clock signal. I must keep my clock set at off or time gets screwed at midnight. I never record at midnight. These are both analog cable channels which I lose next month anyhow. None of my digital stations come with a PSIP.
Well that (2nd bold ^ ) sounds exactly like the issue I had! But I'm not sure what you mean by the 1st bold, you have "Mag" twice.
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

.... If you are using a 2160a you are already past its end of life.

This particular one really shouldn't be. He bought it from me, and I had only used it briefly over a few week period in April 2010. Aside from that it sat in its original box until I sold it to Clint a month or two ago . . .

It's almost like NOS (New Old Stock) smile.gif
Yes it is totally "brand new". It's in flawless mint condition, "new" in retail box w/all accessories.
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

Am I the only person that's seen this problem?
It's hard to answer. Perhaps others couldn't duplicate the problem and never posted the observation. I have two bad clock stations. One is bad (for the Mag) at midnight Mon-Fri. One is bad (for the Mag) on Sat-Sun. My one TV checks at midnight and doesn't detect the clock signal. I must keep my clock set at off or time gets screwed at midnight. I never record at midnight. These are both analog cable channels which I lose next month anyhow. None of my digital stations come with a PSIP.
Well that (2nd bold ^ ) sounds exactly like the issue I had! But I'm not sure what you mean by the 1st bold, you have "Mag" twice.

 

With a post in another thread and a PM, I've tried to get Clint to try The 11:57 Procedure to potentially solve his problem, with no *apparent* success so far.

 

For others with an Auto Clock or timer-recording problem after midnight that "theoretically" seems inexplicable because "none of my other equipment has the same clock problem," please read The 11:57 Procedure and TRY IT. If you decide to read the procedure, pay special attention to the warnings about PBS!

 

Many states are like mine with a single PBS Ops Center and unmanned "stations" that cover the state, to which they send the same signal every day... EXCEPT on Sunday night when they GO OFF-AIR from ~11:00 pm to ~6 or 7 am Monday. Since, in previous "good economic times," PBS has been ~60% supported by donations, they might have even started saving money during these "hard economic times" by going OFF-AIR on more nights than Sunday. Clint's problem occurred after midnight Sunday.

 

Since the Philips/Mag manuals do or did mention PBS as the source of the time signal, I assume they're either programmed to look for that channel or at least they find that channel in their twice-daily Auto Clock search... and, in my state, there can be 3-4 PBS channels to find in my cable system, so "easy pickins." Finding hash or no signal at all *could* cause your clock to go "wonky as hell" during its programmed midnight time search, and revert the clock to its factory-set time (date of FW loading or machine mfgr, as Clint's did) or 2037 (programmed "end date" as mine does). This can also affect your timer recordings for early-mornings, after the midnight "wonky"  hour.

 

I was reluctant to delve into the PBS thing because it could trigger further, irrelevant theoretical discussion rather than appropriate action: either turn Auto Clock OFF or try The 11:57 Procedure. Also, remember that all units except the 513, 515 and 53x have a DEFAULT Auto Clock setting of ON.

 

Regardless of YOUR PBS's op procedures and accuracy, I can only say that MY PBS is ALWAYS wrong, especially on Sunday at midnight when my clock changes to year 2037 if I have Auto Clock ON, rather than any other channel set in the MANUAL menu, which is the heart of The 11:57 Procedure!

 

Bottom Line: If you have "wonky" Auto Clock problems (other than running fast) or post-midnight timer recording problems, please either turn Auto Clock OFF or try The 11:57 Procedure with any channel besides PBS.


Edited by wajo - 10/11/13 at 6:59pm
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With a post in another thread and a PM, I've tried to get Clint to try The 11:57 Procedure to potentially solve his problem, with no *apparent* success so far.
I have. It works. As I have been saying over and over again, it gets a correct time signal and sets the clock correctly. Which is, why I still cannot figure out (nor anyone else apparently) what happened.

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For others with an Auto Clock or timer-recording problem after midnight that "theoretically" seems inexplicable because "none of my other equipment has the same clock problem," .......
I still do not understand how it's possible that all over devices using the same auto-clock channel are not affected. If someone would explain how, that may help. This has got to be an issue with the Mag's, otherwise it would not be the only device affected.

I'm trying to ascertain exactly what happened, otherwise I'll never be able to trust it again and I'll be forced to keep it on manual then have to check the clock's accuracy every week or so.
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post


Well that (2nd bold ^ ) sounds exactly like the issue I had! But I'm not sure what you mean by the 1st bold, you have "Mag" twice.

Sorry for the clarity lapse. I have two bad clock stations, PBS and Fox. PBS changes the time at midnight weekdays. Fox changes everything on Sat & Sun. I stay "off" and have added a trimmer capacitor so adjustment is only needed monthly.

Like I said, this isn't an issue now since the two bad stations are analog and I lose that next month and I never watch analog anyhow. I have several devices, including two Mitsu VCRs with XDS that are not affected. I do get an XDS-like signal so I will blame that. I would follow wajo's advice. Real XDS data is sent every minute but does not include a seconds field. My 2160A manual had several references to PBS. My 515H manual had fewer. I speculate the 535H has even fewer.

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My 2160A manual had several references to PBS. My 515H manual had fewer. I speculate the 535H has even fewer.

 


53x manual mentions PBS 7 times, all in clock/AutoClock sections..
post #24519 of 25426
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Well that (2nd bold ^ ) sounds exactly like the issue I had! But I'm not sure what you mean by the 1st bold, you have "Mag" twice.
...........I would follow wajo's advice. Real XDS data is sent every minute but does not include a seconds field. My 2160A manual had several references to PBS. My 515H manual had fewer. I speculate the 535H has even fewer.
I have! 24516 ^
post #24520 of 25426
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

I have. It works. As I have been saying over and over again, it gets a correct time signal and sets the clock correctly. Which is, why I still cannot figure out (nor anyone else apparently) what happened.
I still do not understand how it's possible that all over devices using the same auto-clock channel are not affected. If someone would explain how, that may help. This has got to be an issue with the Mag's, otherwise it would not be the only device affected.

I'm trying to ascertain exactly what happened, otherwise I'll never be able to trust it again and I'll be forced to keep it on manual then have to check the clock's accuracy every week or so.

You are not going to find the answer. You have correctly stated your two choices. Can we move on?
post #24521 of 25426
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

I have. It works. As I have been saying over and over again, it gets a correct time signal and sets the clock correctly. Which is, why I still cannot figure out (nor anyone else apparently) what happened.
I still do not understand how it's possible that all over devices using the same auto-clock channel are not affected. If someone would explain how, that may help. This has got to be an issue with the Mag's, otherwise it would not be the only device affected.

I'm trying to ascertain exactly what happened, otherwise I'll never be able to trust it again and I'll be forced to keep it on manual then have to check the clock's accuracy every week or so.

You are not going to find the answer. You have correctly stated your two choices. Can we move on?
confused.gif I do not understand the attitude. Is this a "secret"? A "taboo subject" that "we don't dare speak about at this forum"?? I believe if anyone else where in my position they'd be wondering the same things as well! Am I supposed to just "ignore it" and pretend it never happened and will never happen again?
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confused.gif I do not understand the attitude. Is this a "secret"? A "taboo subject" that "we don't dare speak about at this forum"?? I believe if anyone else where in my position they'd be wondering the same things as well! Am I supposed to just "ignore it" and pretend it never happened and will never happen again?

Look, if I HAD to have an answer for every unexplained occurrence in my life, I might spend 24/7 on the internet asking about them. You asked, there were some suggestions. No one seemed to be able to explain the event. Continuing to ask over and over is fruitless. If someone had the answer, you would have had it by now. Time to move on.

I'm not trying to be nasty with you, just tired of your insistence that there be an explanation.
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

confused.gif I do not understand the attitude. Is this a "secret"? A "taboo subject" that "we don't dare speak about at this forum"?? I believe if anyone else where in my position they'd be wondering the same things as well! Am I supposed to just "ignore it" and pretend it never happened and will never happen again?
[..........] I'm not trying to be nasty with you,.........
Yet you succeeded at that anyway.
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just tired of your insistence that there be an explanation
Then don't read my posts and put me on your "Ignore" list.

If some maintain this is a time-signal-channel issue, I don't think it's too much to ask for an explanation as to HOW that can be possible when it does not affect any other component with auto-clock settings on. I only now seek an explanation to that kind of logic. If one makes a statement such as that, that requires elaboration. Otherwise it is non sequitur.
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

If some maintain this is a time-signal-channel issue, I don't think it's too much to ask for an explanation as to HOW that can be possible when it does not affect any other component with auto-clock settings on. I only now seek an explanation to that kind of logic. If one makes a statement such as that, that requires elaboration. Otherwise it is non sequitur.
The Maggie only checks for a time signal at noon and midnight (if the recorder is in standby). Maybe the station you get your time signal from does some sort of system maintenance that messes up their system time table data once in a while. If that happens at noon or midnight the Maggie clock will be set wrong. If the other components aren't checking for a time signal when that is happening you won't notice any problem with their clocks.
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

If some maintain this is a time-signal-channel issue, I don't think it's too much to ask for an explanation as to HOW that can be possible when it does not affect any other component with auto-clock settings on. I only now seek an explanation to that kind of logic. If one makes a statement such as that, that requires elaboration. Otherwise it is non sequitur.
The Maggie only checks for a time signal at noon and midnight (if the recorder is in standby). Maybe the station you get your time signal from does some sort of system maintenance that messes up their system time table data once in a while. If that happens at noon or midnight the Maggie clock will be set wrong. If the other components aren't checking for a time signal when that is happening you won't notice any problem with their clocks.
Ok that makes sense, thank you. wink.gif
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Problem cropped up tonight when I was trying to add a "timer program" to my 515 hdd. I got a "timer overlap" warning but accidentally turned 515 off before correcting. Now, I cannot get the 515 to stay on to get back into " timer program" or menu. The 515 turns on and will play the channel indicated in the window but if I try to access "timer program", the 515 turns off and displays the time. How do I get to "timer program" to delete the overlapping timer programmed? Thanks
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Problem cropped up tonight when I was trying to add a "timer program" to my 515 hdd. I got a "timer overlap" warning but accidentally turned 515 off before correcting. Now, I cannot get the 515 to stay on to get back into " timer program" or menu. The 515 turns on and will play the channel indicated in the window but if I try to access "timer program", the 515 turns off and displays the time. How do I get to "timer program" to delete the overlapping timer programmed? Thanks

That is a strange problem. A Soft Reset should clear out your timer programs.
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That is a strange problem. A Soft Reset should clear out your timer programs.

Indication of a soft reset did not display. I had power unplugged for about 12 hours and plugged in while holding in standby/on button and last channel came up but all my timer programs were erased which is what I needed and I can now access timer program and menu once again. Clock was also reset, I run with manual clock setting which was expected.

Thanks
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Indication of a soft reset did not display. I had power unplugged for about 12 hours and plugged in while holding in standby/on button and last channel came up but all my timer programs were erased which is what I needed and I can now access timer program and menu once again. Clock was also reset, I run with manual clock setting which was expected.

Thanks

I'm glad you got it going again.
post #24530 of 25426
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...Decided to try the above drives in the MAG 2160 this morning before I got to doing other things. Okay, did I fall thru the looking glass last night? Since I didn't mention it, I am using the same SATA-IDE adapter from Cooldrives as Crally, making sure to pull its jumper.

First, I tried the SATA 6 drive. The Maggie took it no problem. Didn't use any jumpers on the drive. Shut down and pulled the SATA 6.

Next, I hooked up the SATA 3 drive model that didn't work in the other Maggie earlier this week. This Maggie took it no problem. Again, no jumpers.

Both Maggies were built in the same month (May 2008), both have identical firmware. I may have to pull the Maggie that didn't like the SATA 3 from the bottom of the stack later and try again. Doesn't make sense that two machines with the same build would act differently. I had even pulled and re-set both ends of the strip cable to make sure I hadn't slightly pulled it out of whack when connecting everything.

Crally, looks like you may have a tempermental recorder like I do. Try the WD5000AVDS or WD5000AVCS. If it doesn't work, return it. Or, you could pay more and get one of the 500GB PATA drives.

 

 

Thanks for taking the time to test those drives and for the suggestions, mreedelp.  After reading your posts and ruminating for a while, I decided to test the suggestions from Clint S., mrmazda, and dfw515 that it may be the adapter, not the SATA III drive or the Maggy.  I purchased a new adapter from Newegg because it said it handles SATA III drives: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812240012&Tpk=asa120 .  The new adapter works perfectly with the WD 5000AAKX drive in my 2160.  Problem solved, just like that. 

 

Thanks to all who offered help.  And thanks again for the incredible amount of essential information at this site.  I'll go back to lurking now.

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Thanks for taking the time to test those drives and for the suggestions, mreedelp.  After reading your posts and ruminating for a while, I decided to test the suggestions from Clint S., mrmazda, and dfw515 that it may be the adapter, not the SATA III drive or the Maggy.  I purchased a new adapter from Newegg because it said it handles SATA III drives: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812240012&Tpk=asa120 .  The new adapter works perfectly with the WD 5000AAKX drive in my 2160.  Problem solved, just like that. 

Thanks to all who offered help.  And thanks again for the incredible amount of essential information at this site.  I'll go back to lurking now.
But that adapter says SATA II, I don't see SATA III anywhere.
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Sorry, my bad.  I bought the adapter there after I found it through a search that included the "SATA III" term. See the manufacturer description here: http://www.koutech.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=420.   Excerpt: "Supports 2.5" & 3.5" SATA-I, SATA-II & SATA-III hard drives and 5.25" optical drives; such as, CD-Rom, CD-R/RW, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, Blu-ray drive, etc"

post #24533 of 25426
SATA III drives are backwards compatible with SATA I & II interfaces so it's all good. It just means that if you plug a SATA III drive in that adapter, the transfer rate won't go any faster than SATA II.
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Sorry, my bad.  I bought the adapter there after I found it through a search that included the "SATA III" term. See the manufacturer description here: http://www.koutech.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=420.   Excerpt: "Supports 2.5" & 3.5" SATA-I, SATA-II & SATA-III hard drives and 5.25" optical drives; such as, CD-Rom, CD-R/RW, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, Blu-ray drive, etc"
Ok. Doesn't surprise me that NE left something out.

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SATA III drives are backwards compatible with SATA I & II interfaces so it's all good. It just means that if you plug a SATA III drive in that adapter, the transfer rate won't go any faster than SATA II.
Drives are backward compatible, yes, and with interfaces, as on mobo's, yes. But that's not always the case with adapters. I have a few that won't work with SATA III drives.
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Thanks for this post on how to resent the MDR515!! I saved me a lot of $$.  I was preparing to buy a new Magnavox DVR because my 515 had locked up and was completely unresponsive (but the clock still worked).  However, using the soft reset mentioned here it is now working as before.  Thanks!

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As regards Auto-Clock time signals, keep in mind a station may have equipment failures or periodically update their systems.

About 3 weeks ago I noticed my three 2160A's (set to time-check the local FOX station) were either gaining or losing time. This error occurred over a 3 day period. Using the "11:57 Procedure" I reset the time, HOWEVER, the clocks would auto-reset with up-to 3 hours error. As this occurred in 3 different 2060A's, I surmised the local FOX station was either having a problem, or had discontinued the service. (The FOX time signal had previously been extremely reliable for more than 2 years.) Fortunately, the FOX time-signal returned to normal after 3 days and In retrospect, it's probably good I noticed those time errors on more than one machine, as I would probably have panicked and thought it was a "Maggie" problem..

Moral of this story is, chances are it's NOT your "Maggie", so don't panic until you've tried all the solutions Wajo and others have developed and posted herein.
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Walmart has revised its pricing again. Now:

$218
$228
$258

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Will we ever see a sale like this again?
Will Magnavox throw in the towel as the others did?
(Panansonic Pioneer Sony etc)

Prices taken from page 759 1-12-2013
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If you want one, buy it now. It is anticipated that this will be the end of the line.
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If you want one, buy it now. It is anticipated that this will be the end of the line.

Like, for forever? Is feel like the guy grilling up one of the last dodo birds. frown.gif
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Do we dare wait for A Black Friday Special.....or buy now before supply lasts?..... Decisions....decisions.
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