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post #24991 of 25416

Thank you everyone for your help!  I saved HD 16:9 shows on my PVR provided by my cable company, and I am trying to record them on the Magnavox without the black bars. The black bars are very annoying. Also, I don't want them to burn into my led tv. I will try some of the suggestions!

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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

You "bought a cable system"? As opposed to "became the customer of a cable TV company"? Marvelous. If you now own an entire cable system, then you should be able to make all needed changes to your system so that customers don't have to worry about things like scrambled locals....or scrambled anything.

By the way, that DVD symbol with the slash thru it is there for a reason. It means exactly what it appears to mean, namely "You ain't gettin' this onto a DVD". It must have been coded "copy once". A "filter" between the cable box and the Magnavox recorder should take care of such inconveniences in the future.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/940657/magnavox-537-535-533-515-513-2160a-2160-2080-p
hilips-3576-3575/14460#post_20556041

What in the world are u talking about ??

I'm 60 years old the 1st on our street to have cable in 1970.
I have had cable 4 times and Directv 1 time. Average time in keeping 2 years.
Why?
I don't like paying for it.
"Filter" are you kidding me!!
Cable at best looks 480i.
I have a 32 element 8 bay antenna. My LG Smartv HD Tuner Runs rings around the cable picture.
However I like having yet another choice. Netflix--Amazon Prime--HDTV and now Cable. Oh almost forgot XBMC. Most everything looks bad over there except---MuchMoves HD check out Man of Steel.

Mark
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post #24993 of 25416
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Originally Posted by gator4 View Post

Thank you everyone for your help!  I saved HD 16:9 shows on my PVR provided by my cable company, and I am trying to record them on the Magnavox without the black bars. The black bars are very annoying. Also, I don't want them to burn into my led tv. I will try some of the suggestions!
It may be necessary to post the brand & model of the DVR from your cable company, and it may be a setting on it that's causing this.
post #24994 of 25416
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Originally Posted by gator4 View Post

The black bars are very annoying. Also, I don't want them to burn into my led tv.

The temporary fix to get rid of the black bars is to use the zoom button on your TV remote, which is specifically designed to solve this problem. The button has different names depending on the TV brand: zoom, wide, picture size, etc. Pretty much all current 16:9 televisions have the same four zoom options which they cycle thru with each press of the button:

"Zoom" will magnify the center of the image, cutting off all the black bars and filling your TV completely with the picture. Everything will look normal and you lose the black bars, but the picture will be a bit soft and not as nice as the true HDTV signal. This is the setting to use if you're worried about "burn in" of your LED screen, although burn-in is more of an issue with plasma than LED. The easiest and most common workaround for the black bars is to simply use this setting on your TV whenever you see black bars. Permanently eliminating black bars from the recordings themselves, to avoid zooming the TV, requires one of the converter accessories in wajo's list (or changing the s-video output setting of your PVR to 16:9, if possible).

"4:3" or "Normal" is the correct setting for old TV shows and movies. Faces look normal, but there are black bars on the sides of the screen. This setting shows widescreen movies windowboxed: black bars all around the picture.

"Full" is the setting you would use most of the time, for 16:9 HDTV signals you get directly from the PVR via HDMI. When the signal is true anamorphic widescreen, it will fill your TV frame. However, if viewing the s-video, widescreen signals will look weirdly stretched and you'll have black bars on the top and bottom. Old 4:3 TV shows and movies will fill the screen but faces will look squashed.

"Wide Zoom" is similar to "Full" but should only be used when you want to fill the screen with an old 4:3 movie or TV show. "Wide Zoom" stretches the sides to fill out the 16:9 screen, but leaves most of the center alone so that actors are less distorted. It is a gimmick setting to trick your brain into thinking an old 4:3 movie is 16:9. How successfully it works depends on the movie, the TV, and personal visual taste.

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It would be a good idea to answer Clint S. question re, what exact brand & model of PVR do you have and what cable service supplied it? Someone should then be able to tell you if that PVR can switch its s-video to 16:9, and explain how.
Edited by CitiBear - 1/10/14 at 12:59am
post #24995 of 25416
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Originally Posted by MarkB49 View Post

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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

You "bought a cable system"? As opposed to "became the customer of a cable TV company"? Marvelous. If you now own an entire cable system, then you should be able to make all needed changes to your system so that customers don't have to worry about things like scrambled locals....or scrambled anything.

By the way, that DVD symbol with the slash thru it is there for a reason. It means exactly what it appears to mean, namely "You ain't gettin' this onto a DVD". It must have been coded "copy once". A "filter" between the cable box and the Magnavox recorder should take care of such inconveniences in the future.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/940657/magnavox-537-535-533-515-513-2160a-2160-2080-p
hilips-3576-3575/14460#post_20556041

What in the world are u talking about ??

I'm 60 years old the 1st on our street to have cable in 1970.
I have had cable 4 times and Directv 1 time. Average time in keeping 2 years.
Why?
I don't like paying for it.
"Filter" are you kidding me!!
Cable at best looks 480i.
I have a 32 element 8 bay antenna. My LG Smartv HD Tuner Runs rings around the cable picture.
However I like having yet another choice. Netflix--Amazon Prime--HDTV and now Cable. Oh almost forgot XBMC. Most everything looks bad over there except---MuchMoves HD check out Man of Steel.

Mark
smile.gif

If you've had cable before, then what did you mean about 'finally BUYING a cable system'?

If you don't want to get a filter, then fine. That's your decision, and you won't be able to do everything you're apparently trying to do with your machine.

Your reply to my post isn't exactly a reply.

Wish you well.
post #24996 of 25416

You can really burn black bars from a letterbox display?

post #24997 of 25416
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

You can really burn black bars from a letterbox display?
Not on LCD displays because they have no active phosphor, just color filters. On older plasma you can burn a "line" on the screen at the edge boundary between the black bar and the active picture. Newer plasma's are far more resistant to the burn-in phenomenon but they still recommend you expand a 4:3 picture to full frame so that you have even wear of the phosphor across the screen. It's a problem you can't escape if you watch a lot of 2.35 aspect movies so the solution is to watch a lot of 16:9 HDTV. The tack-sharp clarity of the plasma make it all worth while.
post #24998 of 25416
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Not on LCD displays because they have no active phosphor, just color filters. On older plasma you can burn a "line" on the screen at the edge boundary between the black bar and the active picture. Newer plasma's are far more resistant to the burn-in phenomenon but they still recommend you expand a 4:3 picture to full frame so that you have even wear of the phosphor across the screen. It's a problem you can't escape if you watch a lot of 2.35 aspect movies so the solution is to watch a lot of 16:9 HDTV. The tack-sharp clarity of the plasma make it all worth while.


I always learn something from your posts. Thank you.

post #24999 of 25416
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

You can really burn black bars from a letterbox display?

Not in the same way as with some plasma displays, but apparently heavily sustained playback of black bars can cause some kind of stickiing issue with some LCD panels. At least Sony seems to think so, based on their manual advising against it, and a handful of people here on AVS have reported ghost bars on LCDs. Compared to plasma or CRT, though, it is a very very unlikely problem. I watch tons of 4:3 TCM movies with black side bars on my Sony, Panasonic & Samsng LCDs, and haven't noticed any ill effects in 4 years.
post #25000 of 25416
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

I watch tons of 4:3 TCM movies with black side bars on my Sony, Panasonic & Samsng LCDs, and haven't noticed any ill effects in 4 years.
I confess to being a widescreen snob. 4:3 on a 16:9 display just turns me off. I'll usually try stretching it to fill the screen with "fat people". If the resulting picture is really objectionable I just won't watch it. Friends have been telling me how great a show "The Wire" was and all the critical acclaim it received and that I should watch it. Problem is it's all 4:3.
post #25001 of 25416
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Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

If you've had cable before, then what did you mean about 'finally BUYING a cable system'?

If you don't want to get a filter, then fine. That's your decision, and you won't be able to do everything you're apparently trying to do with your machine.

Your reply to my post isn't exactly a reply.

Wish you well.

I had DirecTv 4-30-03
That was the last time I had pay-tv. Over 10 years ago.

Can't see the sat.Ivy all over 2 big pines blocking the view. btw Ortho Brush B Gon is gone! The Bayer version doesn't work for me.
The PQ for the Florida State Vs. Auburn was 240 in my opinion on cable.

I had the Green bay vs. San Fran on my 535 it looked better than 480.
No Braves Baseball OTA at all !!
post #25002 of 25416
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Originally Posted by ALP View Post

MF63, I do not understand what you are saying. confused.gif My TV input is OTA from NYC. Using my new 537's and my older 515's I can record everything I am even slightly interested in, however, I talking about 5 or 6 channels. If I had cable and wanted to record everything I had paid for I would have to have a DVR farm! Please explain.
People are afraid to mention the system they are on? Really? I find it kind of amusing, we've been getting burned on our bills for years and the Co's act like they're doing us a favour just to let us watch it. Hilarious. I get your point though, too many choices also means too much extra work.
post #25003 of 25416
Does the internal cooling fan inside the 533, 535 & 537's stay on when the recorder is shut off(powered down)?
post #25004 of 25416
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by crowe-t View Post

Does the internal cooling fan inside the 533, 535 & 537's stay on when the recorder is shut off(powered down)?

 

Not supposed to, but if you have an Auto Clock option on, it will turn on for ~2 min. at noon and midnight while the unit searches for a time signal (Auto Clock ON) or looks for a time signal on a user-selected channel (Auto Clock MANUAL).

post #25005 of 25416
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Originally Posted by MarkB49 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by gastrof View Post

If you've had cable before, then what did you mean about 'finally BUYING a cable system'?

If you don't want to get a filter, then fine. That's your decision, and you won't be able to do everything you're apparently trying to do with your machine.

Your reply to my post isn't exactly a reply.

Wish you well.

I had DirecTv 4-30-03
That was the last time I had pay-tv. Over 10 years ago.

Can't see the sat.Ivy all over 2 big pines blocking the view. btw Ortho Brush B Gon is gone! The Bayer version doesn't work for me.
The PQ for the Florida State Vs. Auburn was 240 in my opinion on cable.

I had the Green bay vs. San Fran on my 535 it looked better than 480.
No Braves Baseball OTA at all !!


That's nice.


Let us know when you want to explain what "finally buying a cable system" means, since satellite isn't cable and cable isn't bought, it's subscribed to. Feel free to also explain how you plan to burn DVDs off a recording that was apparently coded "copy once".

Hope all this works out for you.
post #25006 of 25416
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

I watch tons of 4:3 TCM movies with black side bars on my Sony, Panasonic & Samsng LCDs, and haven't noticed any ill effects in 4 years.
I confess to being a widescreen snob. 4:3 on a 16:9 display just turns me off. I'll usually try stretching it to fill the screen with "fat people". If the resulting picture is really objectionable I just won't watch it. Friends have been telling me how great a show "The Wire" was and all the critical acclaim it received and that I should watch it. Problem is it's all 4:3.

Use zoom?

That way instead of fat people, you end up with people who have no chins or foreheads on closeups.
post #25007 of 25416
Set the 515 to record on an analog channel (TWC channel 36) from 4:30 pm to 8:30 pm.
Came home tonight only to find 515 was locked up, displaying time of 4:38 pm. Could not turn it on....soft reset failed, so am in process of hard reset.
Hope it will fix.
Have not recorded analog, only digital, straight from cable line to input on 515. Strange, as I made sure by time and channel set ups were correct, even had mag set to channel 36 manually, before turning it off.

Hopefully, hard reset will fix, then will try some tests of recording analog channels.
post #25008 of 25416
Ok...hard reset, A-OK...had to reset date and do channel scan, so back in working order.
Not sure why it locked up, but was on analog channel 36, when it came back to life... timer recording list was blank.

Guess I better read the manual again and refresh how to record analog channels.
post #25009 of 25416

JSUL,

You appear to have 727V Firmware (that causes what I think we called on this thread in early 2012, the "Analog Channel Freeze" on the 515 model).   See wajo's link and follow instructions for "Ver02C for Freeze/Dead Problem on 513 and 515" to update your Firmware and resolve this issue.

 

The version of the Firmware for the 515 you have doesn't like to be powered ON when using the Analog tuner.  When the unit powers up the next time, and it is on any Analog channel, it will lock up the unit within 30-60 seconds, and require a hard reset (around 2 hours of waiting).  I believe that a lockup can be prevented IF you change to a Digital channel within seconds of turning the machine on again (if you realize that it is on an Analog channel).

 

You have two options:

#1  Install the "Ver02C" firmware.

 

#2  Keep your existing firmware and do the following: 

#2a  If you are going to record an Analog channel while you are away, then schedule a one minute "dummy" recording for ANY active Digital channel (in your area) immediately after your analog recording.  This will force the unit to go to the Digital tuner before powering itself down.  Then when you manually turn it back on, it will be using the Digital tuner.     Example:  2:00pm to 3:01pm   (Analog) 34  etc....   then dummy recording 3:01pm to 3:02pm  (Digital) 4.1 etc .....

#2b  Never leave your 515 on an Analog channel when you manually turn the unit off.  If you turn the unit on and realize that it is on an Analog channel, you should QUICKLY press the DTV/TV button on your remote (like within 5-15 seconds) to avoid a freeze.

#2c  I cannot recall if it has to be left on a Digital Channel.  There is a possibility that you can also leave it on a Line Input (L1 or L2) that your cable box feeds into the 515.

 

SKIP 123 details of my refurbished MDR-515 purchased February 2012 from J&R that does the same thing)

BE VERSION:    HD6A269727V1E

 

I never got around to updating the Ver02C Firmware on this unit, because I almost never record an Analog channel on that particular DVR.  If you frequently plan on recording Analog channels in the future (at least until Time Warner Cable stops sending Analog channels here in Dallas/Fort Worth), then you really should consider upgrading the Firmware.

 

dfw515

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DFW515:
Thanks for the valuable info, this helps greatly.
post #25011 of 25416
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Originally Posted by dfw515 View Post

JSUL,
You appear to have 727V Firmware (that causes what I think we called on this thread in early 2012, the "Analog Channel Freeze" on the 515 model).   See wajo's link and follow instructions for "Ver02C for Freeze/Dead Problem on 513 and 515" to update your Firmware and resolve this issue.
I thought v727x was the latest FW version for these? If it's not, where's the most recent download and info? I don't have this problem (2160A) but I wanted to read about any new FW. Thanks. BTW, the 2nd URL you gave above doesn't work, it goes to the top of the page.
Edited by Clint S. - 1/14/14 at 12:02am
post #25012 of 25416
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Originally Posted by JSUL View Post

Ok...hard reset, A-OK...had to reset date and do channel scan, so back in working order.
Not sure why it locked up, but was on analog channel 36, when it came back to life... timer recording list was blank.

Guess I better read the manual again and refresh how to record analog channels.
FWIW, I have to record analog cable channels all the time and I've never had this problem (but mine is a 2160A). I don't recall anything special that has to be done to record them, they're recorded the same way as other channels. In the timer programming area, all I do is select L1 (S-video, premium STB cable), or an (H)DTV channel (local HDTV cable channels "xx.x"), or a basic analog cable channel (no STB needed, "xx") to record and it does it fine.

The only reason I don't use the STB to also record basic cable channels that do not require an STB, is because the STB can't be trusted. If you're recording your analog channels from your STB (L1 or whatever input), try the direct channel.
Edited by Clint S. - 1/14/14 at 12:07am
post #25013 of 25416
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dfw515 View Post

JSUL,
You appear to have 727V Firmware (that causes what I think we called on this thread in early 2012, the "Analog Channel Freeze" on the 515 model).   See wajo's link and follow instructions for "Ver02C for Freeze/Dead Problem on 513 and 515" to update your Firmware and resolve this issue.
I thought v727x was the latest FW version for these? If it's not, where's the most recent download and info? I don't have this problem (2160A) but I wanted to read about any new FW. Thanks. BTW, the 2nd URL you gave above doesn't work, it goes to the top of the page.

 

That links dfw515 gave do go to the right places. The 1st takes you to, top of page where there are "Jump" links to take you to the FW item you want to read. Since dfw515 was directing you to two different FW versions. The 2nd link takes you directly to the Ver02C FW discussion.

 

The 2nd link was not even necessary since his 1st link takes you to the top of the FW page where there are "Jump" links that you can click to go directly down to the specific FW item you want to read about. However, the AVS SW sometimes leaves you in a weird spot while it tries to get you to the linked spot so you have to wait for it... sometimes it never resolves and leaves you in the wrong spot on the page.

 

If you click his 1st link you won't need the 2nd link since Ver02C is one of the Jump links.

post #25014 of 25416
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Originally Posted by dfw515 View Post

JSUL,

You appear to have 727V Firmware (that causes what I think we called on this thread in early 2012, the "Analog Channel Freeze" on the 515 model).   See wajo's link and follow instructions for "Ver02C for Freeze/Dead Problem on 513 and 515" to update your Firmware and resolve this issue.
I thought v727x was the latest FW version for these? If it's not, where's the most recent download and info? I don't have this problem (2160A) but I wanted to read about any new FW. Thanks. BTW, the 2nd URL you gave above doesn't work, it goes to the top of the page.

That links dfw515 gave do go to the right places. The 1st takes you to, top of page where there are "Jump" links to take you to the FW item you want to read. Since dfw515 was directing you to two different FW versions. The 2nd link takes you directly to the Ver02C FW discussion.

The 2nd link was not even necessary since his 1st link takes you to the top of the FW page where there are "Jump" links that you can click to go directly down to the specific FW item you want to read about. However, the AVS SW sometimes leaves you in a weird spot while it tries to get you to the linked spot so you have to wait for it... sometimes it never resolves and leaves you in the wrong spot on the page.

If you click his 1st link you won't need the 2nd link since Ver02C is one of the Jump links.
Ok, thanks, but I still don't know if Ver02C is actually the latest (full) version, later than v727, or if it's just a fix for the freeze problem.
post #25015 of 25416
I have firmware 726V.
I do not have a computer, so will try the work arounds suggested, as my analog recordings are few.
post #25016 of 25416
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

Ok, thanks, but I still don't know if Ver02C is actually the latest (full) version, later than v727, or if it's just a fix for the freeze problem.

 

The Ver02C FW was a "special" version Funai created and, as was told to me, not to be widely touted but, instead, mentioned JUST to people who have recurring or "constant" freezing problems. In my discussions about it, they seemed to not be absolutely sure about the version since they really couldn't duplicate the exact same conditions being reported. Thus, the "cautionary" words in the Ver02C FW discussion, which was the best I could do to relay their reluctance.

 

If I were you, I'd try SuperFW 727V first and work with that for awhile. That version is only for 2160A, 513 and 515 units, not 2160 or earlier.

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More Johhny Cash background music to add to the atmosphere.
post #25018 of 25416
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

Ok, thanks, but I still don't know if Ver02C is actually the latest (full) version, later than v727, or if it's just a fix for the freeze problem.

The Ver02C FW was a "special" version Funai created and, as was told to me, not to be widely touted but, instead, mentioned JUST to people who have recurring or "constant" freezing problems. In my discussions about it, they seemed to not be absolutely sure about the version since they really couldn't duplicate the exact same conditions being reported. Thus, the "cautionary" words in the Ver02C FW discussion, which was the best I could do to relay their reluctance.
Ok thanks.

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If I were you, I'd try SuperFW 727V first and work with that for awhile. That version is only for 2160A, 513 and 515 units, not 2160 or earlier.
I already have, I updated to that version just after receiving mine.
post #25019 of 25416
I installed SuperFW 727V on my 513 soon after it was available. I had occasional freezes, about once a week. Eventually I installed Ver02C and that cleared up the problem. Ver02C only changes the tuner software, not the main processor. It changes the firmware reported in the DTV-S row, on my machine from 0x2A to 0x2C (hence the name "Ver02C"). SuperFW 727V doesn't change the tuner software.
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Originally Posted by dundakitty View Post

I installed SuperFW 727V on my 513 soon after it was available. I had occasional freezes, about once a week. Eventually I installed Ver02C and that cleared up the problem. Ver02C only changes the tuner software, not the main processor. It changes the firmware reported in the DTV-S row, on my machine from 0x2A to 0x2C (hence the name "Ver02C"). SuperFW 727V doesn't change the tuner software.
Does Ver02C make any visible changes, or add any new features, or is it solely for the freezing problem?
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