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post #2941 of 25445
These are +R discs, not +RW discs. They were made to play the top menu and not the first title at start-up. I'm aware of the "play first title" option, but these were finalized the other way already. All my +R and -R discs were made the same way, using a Panasonic DMR-EH50S, another fine DVDR with HDD. They all play fine except for this one machine. So, at this point, I have to think that it's not the disc, but the 3576 playback.

Now, I imagine that I couldn't be the only person that has a 3576 and a Panny DVDR. I wonder if other owners of these machine have similar issues or not - meaning creating a DVD+R disc from a Panny DVDR, finalized it to play top menu first, and see if the 3576 has similar playback issues. If this is a unique problem to me, I'd keep it to myself. If this is a repeatable failure, it would be worth mentioning to the community.
post #2942 of 25445
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

Here's my box. I'm on Time Warner Cable.

I'm going to go run some simple tests to see if any video out ports on this box are deactivated when they are all hooked up to different video inputs on my TV (see pages 18-19 of the manual to see all my available TV hookups).

Right now I've got DVI from the box going to an HDMI on the TV (with separate L/R audio hookups).

Does that help?

Looks like you could go svideo from cable box to svideo + L/R audio in on the DVR then HDMI to the TV check the settings on the cable box and set DVR menu video input L1 to Svideo
Why are you not using coax to the TV, DVI buys you nothing.
post #2943 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Maybe low-probability, but this play setting could play a role.

It'd be interesting if PraiseBear placed one of those discs on the tray of the other Philips players that worked, and press only the PLAY button and see if they auto-play on those machines. At least, we'd have another data point?

Sure. Performing your test above would play the DVD root menu and wait for user's selection of title. Then user could navigate to any available title and start playing that title. (Pretty much the expected behavior, that's why I don't think it's the disc's problem). BTW, I'm testing this on the Philips DVP5982.
post #2944 of 25445
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

Here's my box. I'm on Time Warner Cable.

I'm going to go run some simple tests to see if any video out ports on this box are deactivated when they are all hooked up to different video inputs on my TV (see pages 18-19 of the manual to see all my available TV hookups).

I've read of some DVDRs, and someone found out OUR DVDRs, deactivate the lower-quality analog outputs if HDMI and/or Component are connected and ACTIVE... that is, the HDMI/Component outputs have to be IN USE simultaneously.

I've got all four types of connections to my HDTV from my 3575's and all become active when choosing that input on my TV, but there's some restriction if I were to run HDMI/Component to one TV and try to see the same thing on another TV thru Comp. or S-Video simultaneously.

Your individual output test will, however, show whether your box sends a pure WS signal to your TV over all connection types or not.
post #2945 of 25445
PraiseBear, I agree it's a good thing to find out. I'm sure there are plenty of people with both a Panny (not sure about the EH50 though) and a Philips 3576. The key would be of those how many use +R discs (and of those who finalize the discs to play top menu).
Most of the people around here tend to use -R discs on there Pannys but hopefully someone else with a similar setup will post to let you know if it's just your machine or if this is normal behavior
post #2946 of 25445
3576 +R Playback problem:

So, I went through more discs from my library. So far, all the +R playback fails, with different DVD manufactures. But all these +R discs were made from my Panny. It could be just that combination, because I've seen other complaints.

I've also tested multiple -R and -RW discs, made in similar fashion, from the same machine. All played fine.

I've also tested a +RW disc - not made from the Panny, because the Panny does not write to +RW. It also played fine.

I also made a new observation: When failing to play a +R disc, the 3576 start displaying Title numbers in the front display before quitting. For example, if I selected the 1st title, it would say in the front display: (T)1 C(1), - -- --, (T)2 C(1), - -- --, (T)3 C(1), etc. And then at some point, it would show a STOP icon, and stop playing (back to TV mode). If I selected the 3rd title from the menu, it just start at (T)3 C(1) and down the list, but quit the same way.

I have a strong feeling that it is choked up by the +R Top menu that this Panny (or other DVDR makes). I'm not sure by what exactly. I don't have any blank +R disc to play with, as I have been using -R exclusively. Otherwise, I could try to burn one to play 1st title first. However, even so, the top menu is created, but not displayed initially, and I wonder if it would make a significant difference.
post #2947 of 25445
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Originally Posted by PraiseBear View Post

I also made a new observation: When failing to play a +R disc, the 3576 start displaying Title numbers in the front display before quitting. For example, if I selected the 1st title, it would say in the front display: (T)1 C(1), - -- --, (T)2 C(1), - -- --, (T)3 C(1), etc. And then at some point, it would show a STOP icon, and stop playing (back to TV mode). If I selected the 3rd title from the menu, it just start at (T)3 C(1) and down the list, but quit the same way.

I saw this same thing in one of my thousands tests but just can't remember when or why... wracking my brain hoping something will fall out!
post #2948 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

You apparently order VOD thru the STB, so the 3576 is blocking the return path to your service provider. Simple to fix: use a bidirectional 2-way splitter on the incoming cable, with one output to the STB and one to the 3576. Same connections otherwise.

This should allow a clear return path to the provider for ordering PPV/VOD.

OK...the bi-directional splitter now feeds out to the DVR and the STB. I put the TV on the DVR Antennae/Out. Now I get fuzzy reception through the STB and only 99 channels instead of the usual 999. I have reset the STB several times. I may have to call Charter to reset the box for me. Puzzling.
post #2949 of 25445
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Originally Posted by HMOKeefe View Post

OK...the bi-directional splitter now feeds out to the DVR and the STB. I put the TV on the DVR Antennae/Out. Now I get fuzzy reception through the STB and only 99 channels instead of the usual 999. I have reset the STB several times. I may have to call Charter to reset the box for me. Puzzling.

Do you have separate line connections (HDMI, Component, S-Vid or Comp.) from each box, the STB and the 3576, to your TV, each on a separate line input which you'd then select to see that box's output?

The coax from the 3576 to the TV is only a passthru for the TV's tuner so it can tune channels that aren't scrambled all by itself (for watching one channel on the TV while recording something on the 3576).
post #2950 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Do you have separate line connections (HDMI, Component, S-Vid or Comp.) from each box, the STB and the 3576, to your TV, each on a separate line input which you'd then select to see that box's output?

The coax from the 3576 to the TV is only a passthru for the TV's tuner so it can tune channels that aren't scrambled all by itself (for watching one channel on the TV while recording something on the 3576).

Yes, I do. In fact my setup is very close to the setup and coniguration you provided in your guide using SVid, Comp and Component. My widescreen TV is an older model without HDMI. I have been recording and watching other programs while doing so for a while now with excellent results. The only problem has been lack of VOD which I hope I can correct. For some reason my STB is acting very flaky now and I will probably have to call Charter to reset it for me. I appreciate your advice.
post #2951 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Glad you found the info on front- and end-cuts. I only recently realized how difficult it would be for someone just reading the manual and not doing lots of experiments to find the only keys that work right and STOP on 1st or last frames! I take back all my previous "dufus" remarks directed at my fellow dufuses!

The 2160's apparently faster high-speed dubs could well be true since it does have a different HDD with a 4X larger cache... the DVD burner could also be different and faster than the 3575/3576's 4X burner?

It'd be nice to have some HSD elapsed dub times for the 2160 that relate to those I tested and listed in this HSD help file for comparison?

Here are typical dubbing/writing and finalizing times for my Magnavox 2160.

Three titles, front and end cuts (no commercials) with 4,361 MB content, plus empty title:

#1 0:51:16 at SP
#2 1:35:42 at LP
#3 0:18:45 at SPP
#4 empty title, 0:2:30 at LP (remainder)

Timings:

19 minutes for dubbing/writing to disc
3 minutes to finalize disc
post #2952 of 25445
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

Here are typical dubbing/writing and finalizing times for my Magnavox 2160.

Three titles, front and end cuts (no commercials) with 4,361 MB content, plus empty title:

#1 0:51:16 at SP
#2 1:35:42 at LP
#3 0:18:45 at SPP
#4 empty title, 0:2:30 at LP (remainder)

Timings:

19 minutes for dubbing/writing to disc
3 minutes to finalize disc

Now that's good news... my 3575's have never been in the teens with a HSD on mixed rec mode titles over 2 hours long! (Yours add up to 2.7 hours.)

If you ever get a chance to HSD a single, unedited (or with just a few simple edits) 2:xx:xx title, please post that time also?

By the way, I assume this test was with your 8X TY discs (-R or +R)?
post #2953 of 25445
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Originally Posted by HMOKeefe View Post

Yes, I do. In fact my setup is very close to the setup and coniguration you provided in your guide using SVid, Comp and Component. My widescreen TV is an older model without HDMI. I have been recording and watching other programs while doing so for a while now with excellent results. The only problem has been lack of VOD which I hope I can correct. For some reason my STB is acting very flaky now and I will probably have to call Charter to reset it for me. I appreciate your advice.

wajo...i got it worked out. I pulled out one of my monoprice splitters and tried that instead of the RadioShack gold. Worked like a charm. I now have VOD. Many thanks for the help and patience!
post #2954 of 25445
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Originally Posted by HMOKeefe View Post

wajo...i got it worked out. I pulled out one of my monoprice splitters and tried that instead of the RadioShack gold. Worked like a charm. I now have VOD. Many thanks for the help and patience!

Another good lesson on putting Monoprice in your speed-dial!
post #2955 of 25445
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Originally Posted by auskck View Post

Looks like you could go svideo from cable box to svideo + L/R audio in on the DVR then HDMI to the TV check the settings on the cable box and set DVR menu video input L1 to Svideo


What I would like to do instead, if possible, is go component from the cable box to a component/S-Video adapter I linked to earlier sending that to the DVR.

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Originally Posted by auskck View Post

Why are you not using coax to the TV, DVI buys you nothing.

Coax running from my cable box to my TV on channel 3 picks up as NTSC. It is not a signal passthru like the Phil/Mag DVR's have. DVI to HDMI cable from my box to my TV (using External Input 7) picks up the same show in 720p/1080i.

720p/1080i signal > NTSC coax signal
There is no comparison between the two.
post #2956 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I've read of some DVDRs, and someone found out OUR DVDRs, deactivate the lower-quality analog outputs if HDMI and/or Component are connected and ACTIVE... that is, the HDMI/Component outputs have to be IN USE simultaneously.

I've got all four types of connections to my HDTV from my 3575's and all become active when choosing that input on my TV, but there's some restriction if I were to run HDMI/Component to one TV and try to see the same thing on another TV thru Comp. or S-Video simultaneously.

Your individual output test will, however, show whether your box sends a pure WS signal to your TV over all connection types or not.

Okay, the SA3250HD w/ Mystro SW doesn't send WS from S-Video output (or coax output). It is WS from either component or DVI-to-HDMI. The picture looked better on DVI, but that is probably because I used some low quality RCA wires on the component connections (just for testing).

The last thing I will do is see if the box can output video from DVI and Component simultaneously to two different sources. Probably not, but it'll be interesting to see. I will also check if S-Video and DVI can go to two different sources simultaneously.

I ran a scan to see what I can get in the clear. Time Warner in this area has 66 analog and 5 digital at the moment. The digitals were NBC HD, CBS HD, Fox HD, PBS HD and some crappy infomercial channel that I could not find an analog equivalent for. No idea what channel it was, but I assume some kind of useless shop-at-home channel. No ABC HD, but we're still waiting on that one to come...even with a converter box. I think it will probably pop up in the clear when they finally get around to broadcasting it.
post #2957 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

By the way, I assume this test was with your 8X TY discs (-R or +R)?

Yes, TY 8X Premium Line DVD-R TYG02.
post #2958 of 25445
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

The last thing I will do is see if the box can output video from DVI and Component simultaneously to two different sources. Probably not, but it'll be interesting to see. I will also check if S-Video and DVI can go to two different sources simultaneously.

Those are good tests but also see if you can send same pic simultaneously via HDMI/Component and Composite or S-Video.

The only connection type that will be affected by the Progressive Scan setting is Component, and the 2160 manual states, and one user has found, that if Progressive Scan is turned on, there will be NO output from Composite or S-Video... so that Prog. Scan setting would be good to check also?
post #2959 of 25445
Thanks for excellent info on 3576. Unfortunately I got here a bit late (after buying Philips 3506) would appreciate couple quick clarifications: I know that 3506 does not have hard disk and need dvd disks to copy but can we copy a program while watching another program. I tried scanning channels its scanning thru but when I try changing channels using dvdr remote not recognising any. But can change channels using cable remote. Copying a channel I am watching is working fine but want the ability to copy another - after going thru this thread seems like 3576 can do that onto hd or dvd; wondering if 3506 can also do that onto dvds. Thanks.

note: I bought it as used for cheap ($60) but if it cannot do above I can still return it - appreciate any advice. thanks.
post #2960 of 25445
3576 - Auto Finalize doesn't seem to work

First recording... external VHS to 3576 HDD... HDD to DVD - with auto finalize set to ON

Had TV on to monitor... process SAID it completed... DVD would not load in another player

Put disc back in 3576 and manually selected Finalize... DVD now works in other player

This is not a big deal, since I have to remove the disc anyway, but wonder if anyone else has seen this, where auto finalize says it did... but it didn't ???
post #2961 of 25445
Autofinalize only seems to finalize discs that are full or recorded to DVD from a timed program.
I wish it could be set to finalize everything. It's a bit of an inconvenient extra step since I only use DVD-RWs so I can edit and tweak on my PC before burning final discs.
post #2962 of 25445
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Originally Posted by nk2006 View Post

Thanks for excellent info on 3576. Unfortunately I got here a bit late (after buying Philips 3506) would appreciate couple quick clarifications: I know that 3506 does not have hard disk and need dvd disks to copy but can we copy a program while watching another program. I tried scanning channels its scanning thru but when I try changing channels using dvdr remote not recognising any. But can change channels using cable remote. Copying a channel I am watching is working fine but want the ability to copy another - after going thru this thread seems like 3576 can do that onto hd or dvd; wondering if 3506 can also do that onto dvds. Thanks.

note: I bought it as used for cheap ($60) but if it cannot do above I can still return it - appreciate any advice. thanks.

You are in the wrong thread. You need to go to this page and start a new thread
with your DVDR's name in the Subject line (like "Philips DVDR3506/37").
post #2963 of 25445
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Originally Posted by PraiseBear View Post

I also made a new observation: When failing to play a +R disc, the 3576 start displaying Title numbers in the front display before quitting. For example, if I selected the 1st title, it would say in the front display: (T)1 C(1), - -- --, (T)2 C(1), - -- --, (T)3 C(1), etc. And then at some point, it would show a STOP icon, and stop playing (back to TV mode). If I selected the 3rd title from the menu, it just start at (T)3 C(1) and down the list, but quit the same way.

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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I saw this same thing in one of my thousands tests but just can't remember when or why... wracking my brain hoping something will fall out!

I found that ref. to seeing the same T1, T2, etc. It was in this post, where I said:

"This DVDR offers a menu when a CD with raw JPGs and AVIs is inserted asking if you want to play "Audio and Pics" or "Video" and you click OK on one or the other. JPGs play in a slideshow (if that's what you set it for in the General > CD Playback menu).

However, when you click on "Video" this DVDR sees the first AVI file and tries to read it, with "T1" (Title 1) in the machine's display, but nothing is displayed on screen. It changes the display to T2, T3, etc. and ratchets thru them in order trying to read and play them, but nothing appears on screen. The display stops changing after the last AVI title as if it had presented them all on screen, like the JPGs."

So, it had to do with playing AVI files from a CD that also had some JPG pics on it. My 3575 would play the JPGs but just ratchet thru the T1, T2, etc. when I selected "Video" to play rather that "Audio and Pics."

The 3575 should have recognized my AVI files as DivX/MPEG4, per the manual, but I got that odd response.

EDIT: I just realized one diff. that might mean something: when you put a disc in the 3576 that it doesn't like, like a VR-mode disc or unfinalized Video-mode disc from a Pio or Panny, a message immediately appears saying "unrecordable... " or some such, and all you an do is eject it.

With my mixed JPG and AVI CD, the disc was recognized and even part of the files were playable, but apparently the AVIs weren't in the form needed for my 3575 to play them, only address them by Title number, etc.

Your bad-boy +Rs were recognized as OK discs, but the titles themselves weren't playable, only addressable by number, like my AVIs. Something in the file structure can't be read by the 3575/3576 sufficiently or fully to make them playable, whereas other players aren't that fussy.

And I know none of this helps without a final and definitive answer, but I ain't got that yet and prob. never will?
post #2964 of 25445
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Autofinalize only seems to finalize discs that are full or recorded to DVD from a timed program

Hmm... the second is what I **thought** I was doing, but I guess not

I am copying 2-episodes-on-1-tape Highlander TV series from VHS to HDD to DVD

Each 2-in-1 is 97 minutes long... and I set the auto finalize option for (not there, words something like) end of recording... thinking that when playback from the HDD stopped, the auto finalize option would activate

That was my misunderstanding of what the instructions meant... so now I know that when dubbing stops, I just go to the menu and manually do a finalize

As I figure out what the manual means, sometimes with help here, this 3576 seems to be working out MUCH better than the Panasonic EZ485 I bought last week... that was easier to use for direct copies, just load tape and disc and push two buttons, but out of 9 copies I had 3 lockups where the only thing that would unlock the machine was to pull the plug out of the wall

This Philips has more steps... and more ways for me to mess up while learning... but as long as I enter the commands in the way it wants, it WORKS!
post #2965 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Those are good tests but also see if you can send same pic simultaneously via HDMI/Component and Composite or S-Video.

Okay, tests completed. SA3250HD cable box w/ Mystro SW will do simultaneous video output to two different TV's I hooked up for the test with only 1 limitation. When DVI/HDMI is active, Component is disabled. The good news is, I can use S-Video and Component simultaneously. Rather than hooking up the Maggie 2160 to S-Video, I could hook the TV up to S-Video and route the component cables to the Maggie with the aid of the adapter. If the adapter works, I should get WS to the recorder for a mere $2.58! When I am NOT recording (and have no interest in time shifting), I can switch from S-Video back to watching TV thru the DVI/HDMI connection - disabling the recorder's component video signal.

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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

The only connection type that will be affected by the Progressive Scan setting is Component, and the 2160 manual states, and one user has found, that if Progressive Scan is turned on, there will be NO output from Composite or S-Video... so that Prog. Scan setting would be good to check also?

Are you talking about setting the Maggie to Progressive Scan (turned on)? I don't have my recorder yet to test that. If you meant a Progressive Scan setting on my cable box, I don't think it has a setting for this. I think I would probably use the HDMI to HDMI connection from the Maggie to the HDTV since I only have 1 S-Video input (which would be used by the cable box output).
post #2966 of 25445
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

Are you talking about setting the Maggie to Progressive Scan (turned on)? I don't have my recorder yet to test that. If you meant a Progressive Scan setting on my cable box, I don't think it has a setting for this. I think I would probably use the HDMI to HDMI connection from the Maggie to the HDTV since I only have 1 S-Video input (which would be used by the cable box output).

Yes, when Progressive Scan is ON in the 2160, there won't be any output from Comp. or S-Vid from the 2160.

If you aren't using Component, just keep Progresive Scan off, which should be the default.
post #2967 of 25445
Thread Starter 


WTH, MIGHT AS WELL TRY IT NOW... I GOT IN TO LAST 2160 ORDER SCREEN!

Already got one at my Delivery Facility, Ship to Store, 5 days.

post #2968 of 25445
FYI:3576 back on auction at sams club
http://auctions.samsclub.com/Scripts...odname=1173651
post #2969 of 25445
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post



WTH, MIGHT AS WELL TRY IT NOW... I GOT IN TO LAST 2160 ORDER SCREEN!

Already got one at my Delivery Facility, Ship to Store, 5 days.


Wow - STILL (over 10 minutes) listed as available.
post #2970 of 25445
I have one sitting on order, does anyone want it?
In the process of check out.
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