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post #4921 of 23760
I have 4 gig in mine for now, will probably do 8 gig soonish as DDR2 is cheap or free with my friend supplying things. He wants me to go 8 gig as well and figures no point till I go 64 bit.
For mine I was getting BSOD when some of the file sharing was turned on, after I disabled the network sharing hasn't done it since.
I'm running a 3870x2 and a quad core 9600 so it's been good since I figured out the best video driver and the networking thing.
The aero looked cool for me but I finally went back to the classic look myself, the extra crap was hard to read things against and distracting.
post #4922 of 23760
After reading about this problem here, I tried to finalize an Imation DVD-RW disc on my 2160A, and got the same E19 error that has been reported. It appears to be a feature of the 2160A. I was still able to record on the disc, and also was able to finalize and unfinalize the disc on my Philips 3576. I didn't try the unplugging workaround because I didn't want to lose my timer settings just yet.
post #4923 of 23760
I guess we are seeing a trend with the H2160A model with -+RW dics FW problems. Just wondering how are friend at Funai are going to handle it. Already 1 blow off by their support services (it's the Media change the brand) Looks like a FW update is required when and if Funai responds.
post #4924 of 23760
Could use a pointer... have searched for 20 minutes and couldn't find topic addressed for my Philips DVDR3575H...

I have Bright House cable (time-warner subsidiary) and a Scientific Atlanta Explorer 4250HDC Hi-Def box with Firewire 1394 output.

I am attempting to use my Philips 3575 to record HD-tier channels that I can't tune without box.

Running a Firewire from the box to the DV input on the front of the 3575 (I connected while both were powered on), I get a notation that the 3575 recognizes the "Explorer" box -- but that's with a blue screen.

What am I missing?

Thanks much!
post #4925 of 23760
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Originally Posted by auskck View Post

Yes, okay 480P,720P,1080I no go 1080P no sound or picture (3576)
It really doesn't matter the TV handles the upscale fine.
I was just wondering.

I might have learned somethin today... "Many 1080p HDTVs do not accept 1080p input" from this post???
post #4926 of 23760
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ztiger93 View Post

Could use a pointer... have searched for 20 minutes and couldn't find topic addressed for my Philips DVDR3575H...

I have Bright House cable (time-warner subsidiary) and a Scientific Atlanta Explorer 4250HDC Hi-Def box with Firewire 1394 output.

I am attempting to use my Philips 3575 to record HD-tier channels that I can't tune without box.

Running a Firewire from the box to the DV input on the front of the 3575 (I connected while both were powered on), I get a notation that the 3575 recognizes the "Explorer" box -- but that's with a blue screen.

What am I missing?

apparently not. One of the :Notes for DV dubbing" on pg 55 of manual says "The unit can only accept DVC. Other DV device such as cable/satellite box or D-VHS VCR cannot be recognized."
post #4927 of 23760
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

I might have learned somethin today... "Many 1080p HDTVs do not accept 1080p input" from this post???

Interesting but it is just last years Panasonic model. 42PZ80U and it takes 1080P from the directv HR22 and the Panasonic BD35 Blue Ray
FYI they all go through the same HDMI cable. Cables have been swapped on the AVR as well.
post #4928 of 23760
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

apparently not. One of the :Notes for DV dubbing" on pg 55 of manual says "The unit can only accept DVC. Other DV device such as cable/satellite box or D-VHS VCR cannot be recognized."



We get a dumbed down firewire port and, in the case of the 3575/3576, a dumbed down USB port. Can you imagine how much more popular these machines would be with fully capable inputs? How much would you pay for this?

I have a SA Explorer 3250HDC (also with 1394 output) and would LOVE to be able to use it. But, no, we're stuck with S-Video which will not output in widescreen.

I feel your pain, ztiger.

I am extremely pleased with the near-HD look of my QAM channels, but that limits my excellent recordings to local TV only. Ah well.
post #4929 of 23760
FYI: Update
New PC running fine (Needs Video Card Upgrade)
3575 Attached to PC Via OnAir GT running fine with Vista 64 bit
esata drive testing no problems what so ever about 70% through the first 500gb drive
Awaiting ide/sata adapter to modify my 3576
post #4930 of 23760
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

I have a SA Explorer 3250HDC (also with 1394 output) and would LOVE to be able to use it. But, no, we're stuck with S-Video which will not output in widescreen.

How about one of those Apple converters people often mention here? Don't they have one for that?
post #4931 of 23760
$169.00

I guess I'll live with my black bars.
post #4932 of 23760
Ya it's not cheap but it does have the added advantage of being able to strip the CP off of pay channels and for things like backing up your DVDs or even older VHS tapes with CP. A good video filter (CP remover) costs slightly more than $100 so I guess if you were looking for something like that you could kill 2 birds with one stone with the apple TV device.
post #4933 of 23760
This morning I switched on my 3576 and had a blue screen. Going up/down channels would show the channel number but the screen remained bright blue. Typically if the tuner could not get a proper signal the screen is black. Strange. It seems that I couldn't get any digital channels. Doing a rescan cleared up everything. But this is the first time I've had to rescan. Has anyone ever experienced such a situation?

Last night I had a scheduled recording, which completed successfully, but something obviously happened to my system from that time until the next morning. No power failures from what I can tell.


_Lazza
post #4934 of 23760
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Originally Posted by Lazza View Post

This morning I switched on my 3576 and had a blue screen. Going up/down channels would show the channel number but the screen remained bright blue. Typically if the tuner could not get a proper signal the screen is black. Strange. It seems that I couldn't get any digital channels. Doing a rescan cleared up everything. But this is the first time I've had to rescan. Has anyone ever experienced such a situation?

Last night I had a scheduled recording, which completed successfully, but something obviously happened to my system from that time until the next morning. No power failures from what I can tell.


_Lazza


They seem to be moving channels around. I had to rescan yesterday as several channels were as you describe.
post #4935 of 23760
According to this:
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If your dub is over 4424 MB, the menu will auto-select (highlight) the next lower-quality RTD rec mode and show the new total MB at that rec mode. At that point, you could proceed with the RTD, or you could BACK out (3575/3576) or RETURN out (2160) and do some Scene Deletes to get total file size down to 4424 MB or less so you can use HSD.

My title should be able to be HSD, but it doesn't give me that option. It is showing that my file size is 4161MB and LP is the best recording I can do. Doing a RTD is crap.

This is a new machine for us, and this feature really stinks. It also gives NO indication when adding titles what the total file size is. It should do that before going to the next step.

Anyway, any idea why I can't get HSD on my title at 4161 size??
post #4936 of 23760
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Originally Posted by ericole View Post

My title should be able to be HSD, but it doesn't give me that option. It is showing that my file size is 4161MB and LP is the best recording I can do. Doing a RTD is crap.

This is a new machine for us, and this feature really stinks. It also gives NO indication when adding titles what the total file size is. It should do that before going to the next step.

Anyway, any idea why I can't get HSD on my title at 4161 size??

There's also a 5-hour limit for a HSD, regardless of file size (actually 4:59:59 or less). Could that be it?

By the way, the 4161MB is AFTER recalculating for dubbing at LP rec mode.

How many HH:MM and what rec mode is the original title? With that info, you should be able to check the HSD Time chart here and maybe see why your dub went to LP (i.e., too many HH:MM for HSD)?

EDIT: Your question caused me to look at the wording in the HSD help file and change it to be more specific and "informative" as to file sizes, as follows:

"The rec-mode selection menu always shows the total file size in MB of your selected "Dubbing Titles" at the selected rec mode compared to the empty-disc capacity of 4424 MB (not the "3000 MB" shown above).

Only if HIGH is highlighted will the total MB be for the original as-recorded title(s). If your original as-recorded MB are OVER 4424, the menu will auto-select (highlight) the next lower-quality RTD rec mode and show the NEW, MODE-CONVERTED MB at THAT rec mode. At that point, you could proceed with the RTD, or you could BACK out (3575/3576) or RETURN out (2160) and do some Scene Deletes to get original as-recorded file size down to 4424 MB or less so you can use HSD."
post #4937 of 23760
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Originally Posted by richardav View Post

After reading about this problem here, I tried to finalize an Imation DVD-RW disc on my 2160A, and got the same E19 error that has been reported. It appears to be a feature of the 2160A. I was still able to record on the disc, and also was able to finalize and unfinalize the disc on my Philips 3576. I didn't try the unplugging workaround because I didn't want to lose my timer settings just yet.

Ditto here. I got the 2160A to take my +RW disk one time by doing the unplug thing. Now, I went to erase the disk, and I'm getting that error E19 again. I've got 7 days of shows I like to regularly record! There is no way I'm going to unplug the unit, or manually erase my timer recordings.

If you just use this thing for the hard drive, maybe it would be good. But, the thing is, there is a real problem with the 2160A and it can't use RW disks, thought it says so on the splash screen when it comes on! I'm going to box it up as soon as we're done watching Amazing Race from last Sunday.

I'm disappointed.
post #4938 of 23760
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Originally Posted by MrsLandfill View Post

Ditto here. I got the 2160A to take my +RW disk one time by doing the unplug thing. Now, I went to erase the disk, and I'm getting that error E19 again. I've got 7 days of shows I like to regularly record! There is no way I'm going to unplug the unit, or manually erase my timer recordings.

If you just use this thing for the hard drive, maybe it would be good. But, the thing is, there is a real problem with the 2160A and it can't use RW disks, thought it says so on the splash screen when it comes on! I'm going to box it up as soon as we're done watching Amazing Race from last Sunday.

I'm disappointed.

Just wondering why the RW option is a deal breaker
post #4939 of 23760
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Originally Posted by auskck View Post

Just wondering why the RW option is a deal breaker

I always use +RW's. They have been much more flexible than any other format in the past for me. With a +RW you don't have to finalize it in order to play it on another machine.

That is handy if you are recording something for someone else and you forget to finalize it.

Also, there is the re-use option. I have re-used +RW's without any issues in the past.

How did their Quality Assurance ever let this get out the door with this crippled software? The fact that they have "RW" right in the title screen of the unit is evidence that the testers did not do their job.
post #4940 of 23760
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Originally Posted by MrsLandfill View Post

I always use +RW's. They have been much more flexible than any other format in the past for me. With a +RW you don't have to finalize it in order to play it on another machine.

That is handy if you are recording something for someone else and you forget to finalize it.

Also, there is the re-use option. I have re-used +RW's without any issues in the past.

How did their Quality Assurance ever let this get out the door with this crippled software? The fact that they have "RW" right in the title screen of the unit is evidence that the testers did not do their job.

Actually the finalization/erase problem seems to exist for all DVD media: +R,-R,+RW,-RW. Apparently they didn't test the DVD functions with a timer recording scheduled.

As you say, the +RW doesn't need to be finalized to play on other machines, so I'm thinking if I switch to using +RW discs, I wouldn't ever need to finalize. Is there a fallacy with that?

Although the full disc erase doesn't work with timer recordings scheduled, it is possible to delete individual titles, so perhaps the disc could be erased title by title?
post #4941 of 23760
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Originally Posted by richardav View Post

Actually the finalization/erase problem seems to exist for all DVD media: +R,-R,+RW,-RW. Apparently they didn't test the DVD functions with a timer recording scheduled.

As you say, the +RW doesn't need to be finalized to play on other machines, so I'm thinking if I switch to using +RW discs, I wouldn't ever need to finalize. Is there a fallacy with that?

Although the full disc erase doesn't work with timer recordings scheduled, it is possible to delete individual titles, so perhaps the disc could be erased title by title?

Yes, in fact, deleting titles is supposed to be much "easier" on RW discs than a full erase or format. One group on another forum took to deleting titles instead of formatting their discs after many complained of their discs biting the bullet "prematurely" from multiple formats.
post #4942 of 23760
Yes, my 2160a is unable to finalize a DVD+R disk if there are any scheduled recordings. I hope Funai remedies the situation or they'll find loads of returned units on their hands, although I will keep mine regardless (this situation is only a mild inconvenience for me).

On a related note, I was hoping I could take an unfinalized disk from my 2160a and finalize it on another machine (3576). Nope. You can "Set Compatibility ON", as per wajo's instructions, which will let you use an unfinalized disk on another machine. But unfortunately the Disk Edit menu option (under SetUp) is shaded out on the target machine. So unless I am doing something wrong, it seems you can only finalize a disk on the machine that originally dumped content on it.

BTW, has anyone tried to see if auto-finalize produces the same E19 error??



_Lazza
post #4943 of 23760
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Originally Posted by Lazza View Post

Yes, my 2160a is unable to finalize a DVD+R disk if there are any scheduled recordings. I hope Funai remedies the situation or they'll find loads of returned units on their hands, although I will keep mine regardless (this situation is only a mild inconvenience for me).

On a related note, I was hoping I could take an unfinalized disk from my 2160a and finalize it on another machine (3576). Nope. You can "Set Compatibility ON", as per wajo's instructions, which will let you use an unfinalized disk on another machine. But unfortunately the Disk Edit menu option (under SetUp) is shaded out on the target machine. So unless I am doing something wrong, it seems you can only finalize a disk on the machine that originally dumped content on it.

BTW, has anyone tried to see if auto-finalize produces the same E19 error??

I have to assume you were trying to interchange a -R or +R disc?

If so, here's some maybe more-recent info on doing that, where I distinguish between the process for -R/+R vs -RW/+RW discs.
post #4944 of 23760
Is it typical for the H2160 to require unplugging from the outlet for a while before it recovers from a power outage?

Had a power outage today while I was at work. It wasn't very long as I had a few devices at home lose power while others did not. I am using the auto time set.

The H2160 had no clock/display which I noticed immediately and other devices connected after the DVDR were not getting the TV signal downstream from the H2160 which refused to power on. After unplugging for a while, I came back and saw the TV had picture, so I plugged the DVDR back in and it powered on with the button. Still have all my channels but lost all programming which was to be expected.

Thought it was weird that it's requiring to be unplugged for a while before responding or passing the signal through.
post #4945 of 23760
Thanks, wajo. I was using DVD+R. From what you wrote it sounds like when moving one unfinalized disk to another machine, this other machine can finalize that disk only if it adds content to it ... if only to wipe out the empty title on the disk. I'll give it a try sometime.


_Lazza
post #4946 of 23760
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Originally Posted by rec630 View Post

Is it typical for the H2160 to require unplugging from the outlet for a while before it recovers from a power outage?

Had a power outage today while I was at work. It wasn't very long as I had a few devices at home lose power while others did not. I am using the auto time set.

The H2160 had no clock/display which I noticed immediately and other devices connected after the DVDR were not getting the TV signal downstream from the H2160 which refused to power on. After unplugging for a while, I came back and saw the TV had picture, so I plugged the DVDR back in and it powered on with the button. Still have all my channels but lost all programming which was to be expected.

Thought it was weird that it's requiring to be unplugged for a while before responding or passing the signal through.

Electronic devices, like DVDRs and even my dehumidifier, that have Standby circuits can lose those standby settings with a power loss. They won't power on normally or, in the case of my dehumidifier, won't engage the compressor cuz it's "lost touch" with the settings to make that happen.

You can unplug for just a couple of sec to reset the Standby circuit and everything should be normal again after you plug back in.

Active/amplified circuits like in the PhilMag units won't pass thru a good signal at all if the unit doesn't at least have power... and apparently you confirmed it also needs a good Standby circuit... just doesn't have to be ON.
post #4947 of 23760
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Originally Posted by Lazza View Post

Thanks, wajo. I was using DVD+R. From what you wrote it sounds like when moving one unfinalized disk to another machine, this other machine can finalize that disk only if it adds content to it ... if only to wipe out the empty title on the disk. I'll give it a try sometime.

Since I got my 2160 to test the Make Recording Compatible feature, turns out ANY disc from a diff. +VR machine FIRST needs a short recording or dub to transfer "ownership" of the disc to the 2nd machine... it changes the menu to the 2nd machine's structure. Before doing that, FINALIZING in the Disc Edit menu and OVERWRITING of the Empty Title are not available. On -RW/+RW discs, only Erase is available. More details on this are under "Option 1" here.

With a new recording or dub, any -R/+R/-RW disc can be Finalized in the 2nd machine, and the Empty Title can be deleted from -R/+R discs, as described here.
post #4948 of 23760
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Originally Posted by Lazza View Post

Yes, my 2160a is unable to finalize a DVD+R disk if there are any scheduled recordings. I hope Funai remedies the situation or they'll find loads of returned units on their hands, although I will keep mine regardless (this situation is only a mild inconvenience for me).

On a related note, I was hoping I could take an unfinalized disk from my 2160a and finalize it on another machine (3576). Nope. You can "Set Compatibility ON", as per wajo's instructions, which will let you use an unfinalized disk on another machine. But unfortunately the Disk Edit menu option (under SetUp) is shaded out on the target machine. So unless I am doing something wrong, it seems you can only finalize a disk on the machine that originally dumped content on it.

BTW, has anyone tried to see if auto-finalize produces the same E19 error??



_Lazza

Yes, I tried auto-finalize and it failed also if there is a timer recording still scheduled in the future.

I have been able to finalize and get the full Disk Edit menu options on a -RW disc recorded on anther machine (2160A to 3576, or vice versa). In addition to turning on "make compatible" I had to record (and delete) a short title to get all the edit options. I think wajo does describe this somewhere in his instructions. The finalizing machine has to have converted the disc menu to its own format, which it doesn't do until it records something on the disc. Not sure how to accomplish this with +/-R media without creating an unwanted title.
post #4949 of 23760
I had a crazy thought. Does anyone have a disc with firmware on it that was used on previous 2160s? perhaps the new firmware could be "upgraded" to the old firmware??
post #4950 of 23760
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Originally Posted by twenty711 View Post

I had a crazy thought. Does anyone have a disc with firmware on it that was used on previous 2160s? perhaps the new firmware could be "upgraded" to the old firmware??

Great idea but, so far, no one seems to have ANY FW for a 2160, either on disc or on line.
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