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post #6001 of 23784
7/29/09 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Just keeping it real. Roll your eyes all you want, but electronics do eventually fail. And todays cut-rate electronics built to walmart price-points will fail a lot sooner than one would like. DVD media is universally playable on a multitude of equipment from different vendors. Storing program material on a fleet of proprietary format HDD's that can only be played on a single brand (model?) of throw-away recorder is more like a graveyard than an archive. Your strategy is fundamentally flawed.

But if that's what you want to do, good luck and use SATA drives -- so they can at least be reformatted and recycled into a PC disk farm.

I'll worry about it when I can no longer do a rebuild.
There is software that can read these drives. The format used is Linux, and guess what, its free.
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post #6002 of 23784
7/29/09 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

Here's a run-down of the clear QAM channels my J&R 2160 (December 2008), Magnavox 2080 (July 2007) and ZV450MW8A (August 2008) tune when connected directly to the Comcast coax feed in Portland Oregon:

2.1 KATU, 2.2 THIS, 6.1 KOIN, 8.1 KGW, 8.2 KGW WEATHER, 10.1 KOPB, 10.3 KOPB CREATE, 12.1 KPTV, 19.2-19.8 LOCAL ACCESS OR TV GUIDE, 19.9 KOPB OREGON CHANNEL, 19.10 ARTS/LOCAL ACCESS, 19.11 LOCAL ACCESS, 32.1 KWBP, 32.2 NBC SPORTS, 49.1 KPDX, 64.1 SYFY, 64.2 CMT, 64.3 FOX NEWS, 64.4 COMCAST SPORTSNET, 64.5 CNBC, 64.6 ANIMAL PLANET, 64.7 TRAVEL, 64.8 CNN, 64.9 GOLF, 65.1 ABC FAMILY, 65.2 DISNEY, 65.3 TBS, 65.4 VH1, 65.5 FOX SPORTS, 65.6 ESPN, 65.7 TVLAND, 65.8 VS SPORTS, 66.1 ESPN2, 66.2 MTV, 66.3 NWCN (WASHINGTON/OREGON/IDAHO NEWS ORIGINATING FROM KING-TV IN SEATTLE), 66.4 AMC, 66.5 COMEDY, 66.6 E!, 66.7 SPIKE, 66.8 MSNBC, 67.1 TNT, 67.2 HALLMARK, 67.3 LIFETIME, 67.4 FX, 67.5 NICK, 67.6 WEATHER CHANNEL, 67.7 CNN HEADLINE, 68.1 BET, 68.2 OXYGEN, 68.3 TLC, 68.4 CARTOON NETWORK, 68.5 TRU (COURT TV), 68.6 FOOD, 68.7 USA, 68.8 HGTV, 68.9 HISTORY, 68.10 A&E, 69.1 DISCOVERY KIDS, 69.2 SCIENCE, 69.3 HISTORY INTL, 69.4 THE FEED G4, 69.5 BLOOMBERG, 69.6 BIOGRAPHY, 69.7 LIFETIME MOVIE NET, 69.8 WE, 69.9 SPROUT KIDS, 69.10 DAYSTAR, 72.47 PPV/ON DEMAND, 73.1 KATU, 73.2 KGW, 73.3 KWBP, 73.4 KXPG (ION), 73.5 KNMT, 92.7 HSN, 92.8 QVC, 94.9 PORTLAND COMMUNITY COLLEGE, 101.7 CSPAN, 101.9 LOCAL ACCESS, 102.14 CLACKAMAS LOCAL ACCESS, 104.3 DISCOVERY, 105.2 SHOP NBC, 105.8 TV MART, 106.2 TELEMUNDO, 106.3 JEWELRY, 106.4 KOIN, 107.3 WGN AMERICA, 109.1 KXPG SPANISH, 109.2 KOPB, 109.3 KPDX, 109.4 KPTV, 110.12 LOCAL ACCESS SPANISH, 101.13 LOCAL ACCESS, 113.13-113.13 TV GUIDE, 116.8 LOCAL ACCESS, 116.9 CLACKAMAS LOCAL ACCESS/ARTS, 117.12 US CONN SHOPPING, 117.13 UNIVISION, 117.13, 120.4-120.9 ESPN RADIO

Comcast doesn't document these channels/networks/services. Comcast associates will not "officially" confirm that there are any clear QAM sub-channels. It's Comcast's position that a customer must obtain a DTA or converter box to receive their service.

Comcast documents only the "whole" number assignments provided by their DTAs and converter boxes that "map" these and other "services" to "locations" in Comcast's 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800 and 900 numbering scheme.

Digado - Thanks a lot for this detailed list of the channels you are receiving on your 2160. This is an excellent reference point for my upcoming test once I get the 2160 from J&R.
And the Comcast guy said to me the same thing " there is no such thing as a 11-1 channel (NBC HD)" while he can see it on my TV ... He was promoting their DVR vs our DVD-recorder, and their DTS/STB.
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post #6003 of 23784
7/29/09 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by gmacted View Post

...I've seen two mens NCAA championships, multiple womens NCAA championships (with two perfect seasons), two Red Sox World Series Championships, three Patriots Superbowl Championships (and one I'd care not to re-live ... 18-1 ... the Giants played one heck of a game!), and several Celtics Championships.

I have little to no desire to have these games on DVD. Who has the time to watch them again?

You're obviously a die-hard Steelers/Penguins fan (and I respect all fans and their teams), but how often do you watch the games that you've recored on DVD?

I can understand your perspective. Over the years, I've spent money on store-bought things like "The 10 Greatest" Penguins games of all time, box sets of Steelers memorabilia, even several collections of old TV shows that I liked. I didn't buy any of these things because I hadn't already seen the shows/games. Every once in awhile, it is fun to pop one in and take a walk down memory lane.

I guess this is the reason ESPN decided to make a "Classics" channel in the first place. One of my favorites is the 2006 AFC Divisional Playoffs, Steelers at Colts.

Anyway, I usually pull them off the shelf when I have friends or family over who share the same interests. I just figured I'd start burning my own games with this DVDR rather than getting the store-bought collections.
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post #6004 of 23784
7/29/09 at 7:05am
Just for the pessimist.
Just ordered 2160 from J&R, adapter and cable are in hand to make it esata.
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post #6005 of 23784
7/29/09 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

I can understand your perspective. Over the years, I've spent money on store-bought things like "The 10 Greatest" Penguins games of all time, box sets of Steelers memorabilia, even several collections of old TV shows that I liked. I didn't buy any of these things because I hadn't already seen the shows/games. Every once in awhile, it is fun to pop one in and take a walk down memory lane.

I guess this is the reason ESPN decided to make a "Classics" channel in the first place. One of my favorites is the 2006 AFC Divisional Playoffs, Steelers at Colts.

Anyway, I usually pull them off the shelf when I have friends or family over who share the same interests. I just figured I'd start burning my own games with this DVDR rather than getting the store-bought collections.

I agree that the store bought collections are horrible. Someone gave me one of the Patriots first Superbowl and it's still in the wrapper.
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post #6006 of 23784
7/29/09 at 8:21am
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Originally Posted by auskck View Post

Many government and large corporate archive databases are on hard drives. I don't buy the arguments put forward in your post. I don't need the data to last 100 years.

When archived data is stored on HDDs are such HDDs connected and operable or stashed away in file cabinets? My post quoted a source which made the argument that HDDs need to be scanned periodically or can become flakey in a relatively short time.
http://www.larryjordan.biz/articles/...k_warning.html

Frankly I don't know how accurate the information is but the articles convinced me to stick with DVDs for medium term storage. When not being used I don't want to have to fiddle with a storage system. The task of labelling multiple hi capacity HDDs to identify what's on them is another consideration factored into that decision.
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post #6007 of 23784
7/29/09 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by fallingwater View Post

When archived data is stored on HDDs are such HDDs connected and operable or stashed away in file cabinets? My post quoted a source which made the argument that HDDs need to be scanned periodically or can become flakey in a relatively short time.
http://www.larryjordan.biz/articles/...k_warning.html

Frankly I don't know how accurate the information is but the articles convinced me to stick with DVDs for medium term storage. When not being used I don't want to have to fiddle with a storage system. The task of labelling multiple hi capacity HDDs to identify what's on them is another consideration factored into that decision.

To keep track of what's on a HDD is called a database pretty easy to label drive 1 , drive 2 , etc.
Want to watch a recorded movie, do a database lookup then mount the HDD, not that difficult.
An online example is here
http://www.imdb.com/
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post #6008 of 23784
7/29/09 at 8:45am
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J&R has RAISED the price of the refurb'd 2080 back to $129.99.

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post #6009 of 23784
7/29/09 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by auskck View Post

To keep track of what's on a HDD is called a database pretty easy to label drive 1 , drive 2 , etc.
Want to watch a recorded movie, do a database lookup then mount the HDD, not that difficult.
An online example is here
http://www.imdb.com/

Fair enough, but when government and large corporations archive databases on hard drives are the HDDs connected and operable or stashed away in file cabinets?

When not being used I don't want to have to fiddle with a storage system.
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post #6010 of 23784
7/29/09 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post



J&R has RAISED the price of the refurb'd 2080 back to $129.99.


Apparently they're also getting close to running out of 2160 refurbs:

'Limited quantity available...while supplies last'
http://www.jr.com/brand/magnavox/n/3534/
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post #6011 of 23784
7/29/09 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by fallingwater View Post

Fair enough, but when government and large corporations archive databases on hard drives are the HDDs connected and operable or stashed away in file cabinets?

When not being used I don't want to have to fiddle with a storage system.

But you have to fiddle with your DVDs
Easier to fiddle with 1 HDD than 120 DVDs
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post #6012 of 23784
7/29/09 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by auskck View Post

But you have to fiddle with your DVDs

Nah, they just sit quietly in the wings waiting for their close-up!
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post #6013 of 23784
7/29/09 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by auskck View Post

There is software that can read these drives. The format used is Linux, and guess what, its free.

When you've actually done it, let me know.
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post #6014 of 23784
7/29/09 at 10:43am
Yesterday received my first 2160 REFURB from J&R. I say first as I've taken wajo's suggestion that I return the recently ordered 2160A to Walmart, and instead get another 2160 REFURB from J&R (not to mention a $96 saving). The 2nd 2160 is expected next week. Then will have essentially an identical back-up, which will go in the bedroom. The just received 2160 was manufactured Dec.2008(on rear panel). The REFURB date was 6-12-09 (on box and on bottom panel). Did the following SKIPS:

SKIP123
Model: E2M01UD
DTV-S: 0X14
FE Version: R50-013-000
BE Version: HD5A23370H1E
TT Version: T5011RDU@2
DV UNIQUE ID: 00E0A900 0009E1F4
LD Adjustment: OK
DISC Adjustment: OK

SKIP321
Time DVD-WR: 0.00
Time DVD-RD: 0.00
TimeCD: 0.00

SKIP079
DVD Connect Status: OK
HDD Connect Status: OK
HDD Power On Hours: 141

Have done set-up with no problems...All local digital channels captured, and are denoted same as on TV tuner...Have found that PROGRESSIVE OFF gives me best picture. Now must play with this thing and get going on the learning curve. So far, well pleased. Will report any problems, or points of interest. Thanks wajo and all others for the info on this thread.
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post #6015 of 23784
7/29/09 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post



...J&R has RAISED the price of the refurb'd 2080 back to $129.99.


Actually, the 2080 was listed as "The Deal of the Day" in the page header...at least it was when I was viewing it before. I'm thinking they just did a $10 discount for that one day. That's the way I took it.

I'm not surprised that the 2160's are now in limited quantity. Some of you guys are really obsessive about your digital libraries. Maybe someday, I'll look back and wish I'd ordered 5 of these.
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post #6016 of 23784
7/29/09 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

When you've actually done it, let me know.

That's what google is for. Search and yea shall find.
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post #6017 of 23784
7/29/09 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by capra1628 View Post

Yesterday received my first 2160 REFURB from J&R. I say first as I've taken wajo's suggestion that I return the recently ordered 2160A to Walmart, and instead get another 2160 REFURB from J&R (not to mention a $96 saving). The 2nd 2160 is expected next week. Then will have essentially an identical back-up, which will go in the bedroom. The just received 2160 was manufactured Dec.2008(on rear panel). The REFURB date was 6-12-09 (on box and on bottom panel). Did the following SKIPS:

SKIP123
Model: E2M01UD
DTV-S: 0X14
FE Version: R50-013-000
BE Version: HD5A23370H1E
TT Version: T5011RDU@2
DV UNIQUE ID: 00E0A900 0009E1F4
LD Adjustment: OK
DISC Adjustment: OK

SKIP321
Time DVD-WR: 0.00
Time DVD-RD: 0.00
TimeCD: 0.00

SKIP079
DVD Connect Status: OK
HDD Connect Status: OK
HDD Power On Hours: 141

Have done set-up with no problems...All local digital channels captured, and are denoted same as on TV tuner...Have found that PROGRESSIVE OFF gives me best picture. Now must play with this thing and get going on the learning curve. So far, well pleased. Will report any problems, or points of interest. Thanks wajo and all others for the info on this thread.

That's great news and a great deal.
Need it or not I ordered 1 today.
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post #6018 of 23784
7/29/09 at 12:43pm
I'm amazed at how little time some of these refurb's show on the "HDD Power On Hours" screen. Since the 2160 Autorecords, that number is the total hours of use for the machine. The previous owner of capra's machine couldn't have kept it more than a couple of weeks. They must have gotten intimidated by the 248 page owner's manual. No wear on the Laser is awesome, too!

Okay, power users, who's got the most hours on their machine so far?
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post #6019 of 23784
7/29/09 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

(...) Okay, power users, who's got the most hours on their machine so far?

My 3575 has 1695 hours, but gets very little use since I received my DTVPal DVR last December.
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post #6020 of 23784
7/29/09 at 1:02pm
I thought I posted this in another thread but can't seem to find it...anyway.

I have had the 2160A for almost 2 months now and just found that
dubbing from DVD to HDD isn't functional. The dubbing menu is grayed out normally. It's my understanding that if you put a DVD disc in it then the menu is activated and I can select direction of dubbing (DVD->HDD or HDD->DVD) The problem is that when I put in a non copy protected movie DVD or my home video DVD, the dubbing menu is still not activated. Only when I put in a blank DVD then the dubbing menu is activated but the direction of dub can never be set to DVD->HDD.

While playing the DVD, pressing the v.dubbing button on the remote will display a red circle with a bar icon (operation not allowed)
Did I miss something? Or the new 2160A is blocked from doing DVD->HDD rip? I suppose I can connect an external DVD player and dub from one of the input....

HDD->DVD dubbing seems to functional, though I haven't really tried it.

What's wallmart's return policy? I'm seriously considering return the 2160A and get the refurb 2160 from J&R, given my other problem with missing a major chunk of channels
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post #6021 of 23784
7/29/09 at 1:03pm
Based on all the praise here, I ordered a 2160 from J&R and I've run into a few problems.

1. I have a 42" 1080p lcd and the analog channels on Cox New Orleans look like garbage on this TV. I suppose that is entirely my fault as I have a digital STB and I never checked what they looked like on analog. Therefore, basically all of the analog cable content in non-usable for recording and viewing. I could try hooking up the 2160 via component instead of hdmi, but not sure if that will help.

2. I get about ten channels free on the 2160's digital cable tuner, but 75% of those are 4:3.

3. Worst of all, my $98 Magnavox (Funai) blu ray player remote conflicts directly with the 2160 remote. I have to unplug the blu ray player to use the 2160. This is a pain.

As excited as I was when I ordered this, I think I set my expectations too high. Those on the fence about ordering one should take these things into account. Pending some work arounds for remote conflict and cable picture, I'm considering whether to send this thing back to J&R.

Guess I'm stuck renting a Cox dvr now...
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post #6022 of 23784
7/29/09 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by remmib View Post

I thought I posted this in another thread but can't seem to find it...anyway.

I have had the 2160A for almost 2 months now and just found that
dubbing from DVD to HDD isn't functional. The dubbing menu is grayed out normally. It's my understanding that if you put a DVD disc in it then the menu is activated and I can select direction of dubbing (DVD->HDD or HDD->DVD) The problem is that when I put in a non copy protected movie DVD or my home video DVD, the dubbing menu is still not activated. Only when I put in a blank DVD then the dubbing menu is activated but the direction of dub can never be set to DVD->HDD.

While playing the DVD, pressing the v.dubbing button on the remote will display a red circle with a bar icon (operation not allowed)
Did I miss something? Or the new 2160A is blocked from doing DVD->HDD rip? I suppose I can connect an external DVD player and dub from one of the input....

HDD->DVD dubbing seems to functional, though I haven't really tried it.

What's wallmart's return policy? I'm seriously considering return the 2160A and get the refurb 2160 from J&R, given my other problem with missing a major chunk of channels

Check this help file for "Dubbing DVD-to-HDD" and see if that answers your problems and fits you disc status (Finalized vs Unfinalized, etc.).
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post #6023 of 23784
7/29/09 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by Millertime73 View Post

Based on all the praise here, I ordered a 2160 from J&R and I've run into a few problems.

1. I have a 42" 1080p lcd and the analog channels on Cox New Orleans look like garbage on this TV. I suppose that is entirely my fault as I have a digital STB and I never checked what they looked like on analog. Therefore, basically all of the analog cable content in non-usable for recording and viewing. I could try hooking up the 2160 via component instead of hdmi, but not sure if that will help.

2. I get about ten channels free on the 2160's digital cable tuner, but 75% of those are 4:3.

3. Worst of all, my $98 Magnavox (Funai) blu ray player remote conflicts directly with the 2160 remote. I have to unplug the blu ray player to use the 2160. This is a pain.

As excited as I was when I ordered this, I think I set my expectations too high. Those on the fence about ordering one should take these things into account. Pending some work arounds for remote conflict and cable picture, I'm considering whether to send this thing back to J&R.

Guess I'm stuck renting a Cox dvr now...

Sounds like you've pronounced final judgement but at least you posed the questions.

Can't do anything about the remote tho, so if that's a deal-breaker in your situation, you prob. should send it back... make sure you get an RMA # from J&R first. I'm sure there'll be lots of other people who'll bless you for it!

Otherwise, you could check this help file on connections, if not done already, and make sure you're connected correctly for your TV service and components.

Also, make sure your 2160 is set for 16:9 Wide in the Recording > TV Aspect
menu.

P.S. If you end up keeping it, there are lots more help files, like on WS recording, if you click #1 in my signature for a list.

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post #6024 of 23784
7/29/09 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

I'm amazed at how little time some of these refurb's show on the "HDD Power On Hours" screen.

The one I sent back should show 0 hours since it wouldn't power up.
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post #6025 of 23784
7/29/09 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by capra1628 View Post

Yesterday received my first 2160 REFURB from J&R.

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Have done set-up with no problems...All local digital channels captured, and are denoted same as on TV tuner...Have found that PROGRESSIVE OFF gives me best picture. Now must play with this thing and get going on the learning curve. So far, well pleased. Will report any problems, or points of interest. Thanks wajo and all others for the info on this thread.


By "all local digital channels captured" -what do you mean - Are you recording off the air? - Or are you a Comcast customer. I am anxious to find out if the 2160 can tune channels that the 2160A can't.
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post #6026 of 23784
7/29/09 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by Franklin09 View Post

By "all local digital channels captured" -what do you mean - Are you recording off the air? - Or are you a Comcast customer. I am anxious to find out if the 2160 can tune channels that the 2160A can't.

Did you see DigaDo's post on the more than 100 channels he gets with the J&R refurb'd 2160 on his Comcast cable?
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post #6027 of 23784
7/29/09 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

Okay, power users, who's got the most hours on their machine so far?

Philips 3576
DVD-WR 0:00
DVD-RD 2:50
CD 1:00
HDD 709

Maggie 2160-1
DVD-WR 0:08
DVD-RD 0:33
CD 0:22
HDD 800

Maggie 2160-2
DVD-WR 0:29
DVD-RD 1:26
CD 0:00
HDD 100

Adding all my hours up I still can't beat Chuck44.
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post #6028 of 23784
7/29/09 at 2:01pm
Thread Starter 
Philips 3575 #1
DVD-WR 14:43
DVD-RD 52:19
CD 0:11
HDD 1848

Philips 3575 #2
DVD-WR 11:48
DVD-RD 55:24
CD 3:52
HDD 2551

Mag 2160
DVD-WR 3:11
DVD-RD 27:20
CD 0:00
HDD 527
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post #6029 of 23784
7/29/09 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Did you see DigaDo's post on the more than 100 channels he gets with the J&R refurb'd 2160 on his Comcast cable?

Yes - Although I don't know where DigaDo lives or whether Comcast is still broadcasting Extended Basic channels in Analog in his area. - What I am anxious to see is a side by side comparison of 2160 and 2160A in an area where the 2160A is having difficulty tuning some channels - In any event, I will soon be able to do the test myself, as I have ordered a REFURB 2160 and I have a 6 week old 2160A which I will be returning to Walmart when the 2160 arrives.
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post #6030 of 23784
7/29/09 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by Franklin09 View Post

Yes - Although I don't know where DigaDo lives or whether Comcast is still broadcasting Extended Basic channels in Analog in his area. - What I am anxious to see is a side by side comparison of 2160 and 2160A in an area where the 2160A is having difficulty tuning some channels - In any event, I will soon be able to do the test myself, as I have ordered a REFURB 2160 and I have a 6 week old 2160A which I will be returning to Walmart when the 2160 arrives.

He says in that post, Portland Oregon.
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