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post #6061 of 25453
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Big DUH! I missed this point... your digital channel scan froze on ch 1, so you might just need to refer to the "Frozen Digital Channel..." section here and try the "pull-the-coax" trick to get past ch. 1.

However, those directions don't take into acct a freeze on dig. ch. 1, so you need to pull the coax right at the end of the analog scan, ch 123 or so, and leave it off till your digital scan goes to ??? maybe ch. 3 or so... might have to adjust based on results. Let the digital scan complete with coax on... hopefully.

Go by whichever is the first digital channel your Panny tunes as to where you need to make sure the coax is reconnected.

If you can get one successful digital scan, things can be done Manually thereafter and other auto scan might go more smoothly.

That's why your Manual Preset thing wasn't working... have to get thru one auto scan successfully before it works.

Thanks, wajo. After reconnecting, I'll give it a shot sometime over the weekend. I'm still at work now with 3 hours left of a 12-hour shift. The last channel on my analog feed is the Weather Channel on 98, so I can pull the coax at that point. The first digital channel in my area is 4.1 so that ought to be doable.

I appreciate your advice.
post #6062 of 25453
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

If the seconds are off (likely) for people who use The 11:57 Procedure, they can set them by setting the 2160 clock 1 minute ahead of an atomic or other accurate household clock, then pressing OK the instant that other clock hits that minute mark.

My 3575 and 2160 clocks, using analog FOX here and set to the second with my atomic clock, have been DEAD-ACCURATE for almost 9 months now.

In fact, my units did a remarkable thing recently... during a TOTAL power outage overnight, they retained ALL settings through that period, including keeping time... didn't have to reset anything!

Only a priest, minister or rabbi could possibly explain that!

I'm neither, but I think my theory has high possibility to be correct! As soon as my refurb J& 2160 arrives, I will put both 2160 and 2160A to a power shutdown test again (with cable and w/o cable)
post #6063 of 25453
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

I think this has been brought up before, but did anyone notice that the Owner's Manual for the 2160/2080 states (my comments in blue):

"If the unit is connected to a cable/satellite box, select the local PBS station on them to set the clock automatically."

I've never successfully locked on to a time signal, but everything I've read here tells me you cannot use Autoclock: ON at all if you are connected to a satellite box.

"Note: Only the analog PBS channel signal is effective for auto clock setting"

In wajo's local viewing area, the most accurate time signal comes from Fox (not PBS).

For anyone who's using a digital channel to obtain their time signal successfully...is that DTV channel shared with any other major networks? I'm starting to wonder if my issue is because of the way my QAM channels are mapped:

89.1 PBS
89.2 Fox
99.1 NBC
99.2 CBS

When you do an Autoclock: Manual setup, this DVDR only asks for the major channel number (i.e. "89" or "99") and I'm wondering if the two networks conflict and cause a bad time signal.

SteelTownGuy,

I'm in the Chicago area and both my 2160's use OTA digital channels for the auto clock. I tried both of them with the 11:57 procedure and found that ALL of the local network affiliates (ABC, CBS, CW, FOX, & NBC) and both PBS stations broadcast a good time signal. If only the 3575's could be set for a digital channel...

BTW, I discovered something I hadn't realized before. I set the clock to 11:57 PM instead of AM once, since I expected it to be corrected automatically. I almost didn't realize that the weekly timer events for that evening were then moved to the end of the timer list. They were rescheduled for the next week when the clock was moved to 11:57 PM. I suspect those events would not have been recorded that day if I hadn't edited them in the timer list to get them rescheduled.

TFJ
post #6064 of 25453
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Originally Posted by tfj2u View Post

BTW, I discovered something I hadn't realized before. I set the clock to 11:57 PM instead of AM once, since I expected it to be corrected automatically. I almost didn't realize that the weekly timer events for that evening were then moved to the end of the timer list. They were rescheduled for the next week when the clock was moved to 11:57 PM. I suspect those events would not have been recorded that day if I hadn't edited them in the timer list to get them rescheduled.

That's interesting since my instruction in the 11:57 procedure says set it for am or pm, doesn't matter.

So, I tested once again, setting my clock for 11:58 pm (6:40 pm local time), which forced the clock to turn to 1200 am during the search, and it auto-set for 6:41 pm correctly.

Then I set clock for 11:58 am, which forced the clock to go to 12:00 pm, and it set the clock correctly to 6:44 pm.

All; my tests have shown it doesn't matter if you set clock for am or pm, so I'm wondering if your experience was just a random occurrence, or if it might have happened when you tried to sync the seconds, which requires another go at the clock setting, or it might be in the clock signal itself, or maybe you've got a 2160A, or ???
post #6065 of 25453
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Originally Posted by tfj2u View Post

SteelTownGuy,

If only the 3575's could be set for a digital channel...


TFJ


Ahhh. That would explain why all of the sudden my 3575 started spinning the hard drive randomly when powered down. I turned off the auto time and it worked but I didn't make the connection.
post #6066 of 25453
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Originally Posted by dangerdoc1 View Post

Ahhh. That would explain why all of the sudden my 3575 started spinning the hard drive randomly when powered down. I turned off the auto time and it worked but I didn't make the connection.

You'll get more backup time if you set a Manual channel, as described in the 11:57 Procedure, even tho you won't get a good time signal... power backup goes from 30 sec to 2-3 min just having one of the Auto Clock options on.

I'd select a "benign" channel, like analog FOX, but not PBS which can be inaccurate or just plain "bad."

The worst that happens is your unit searches that one channel at noon and midnight, and the best is the increased power backup.

I assume you're on antenna, not cable where you should still be getting a time signal?
post #6067 of 25453
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

That's interesting since my instruction in the 11:57 procedure says set it for am or pm, doesn't matter.

So, I tested once again, setting my clock for 11:58 pm (6:40 pm local time), which forced the clock to turn to 1200 am during the search, and it auto-set for 6:41 pm correctly.

Then I set clock for 11:58 am, which forced the clock to go to 12:00 pm, and it set the clock correctly to 6:44 pm.

All; my tests have shown it doesn't matter if you set clock for am or pm, so I'm wondering if your experience was just a random occurrence, or if it might have happened when you tried to sync the seconds, which requires another go at the clock setting, or it might be in the clock signal itself, or maybe you've got a 2160A, or ???

Wajo,

Sorry, my post wasn't clear. The clock WAS automatically set correctly each time I tried a different digital channel. That wasn't the problem. The problem is that when I set the clock to 11:57 PM, the DVR's time was then after the scheduled time for that day's timer events. That meant the next scheduled recordings for that day of the week would be one week later, instead of later that day. The events were still shown in the timer list as weekly, but the dates were for the following week instead of later that day. When the clock was automatically set for the correct date and time, the timer dates were not readjusted automatically. To readjust the timer dates, I started the process of changing the programs, but simply hit return w/o making any changes.

I hope I was clearer this time. Sorry for the confusion.

BTW, it's possible that the recordings for that day would have been made without readjusting the timer, but I didn't want to risk it.

TFJ
post #6068 of 25453
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

...
Okay, power users, who's got the most hours on their machine so far?

Phil 3575 #1
DVD-WR: 48:32
DVD-RD: 834:46
CD: 0:00
HDD: 4380

Phil 3575 #2:
DVD-WR: 38:11
DVD-RD: 200:07
CD: 0:03
HDD: 3256

Phil 3575 #3: (uBid.com refurb)
TBD (at Mom's 'til weekend)

Mag 2160 #1:
DVD-WR: 37:01
DVD-RD: 466:32
CD: 0:01
HDD: 2694

Mag 2160 #2: (J&R refurb)
DVD-WR: 0:00
DVD-RD: 0:21
CD: 0:00
HDD: 20

How's that?
post #6069 of 25453
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

If the seconds are off (likely) for people who use The 11:57 Procedure, they can set them by setting the 2160 clock 1 minute ahead of an atomic or other accurate household clock, then pressing OK the instant that other clock hits that minute mark.

My 3575 and 2160 clocks, using analog FOX here and set to the second with my atomic clock, have been DEAD-ACCURATE for almost 9 months now.

In fact, my units did a remarkable thing recently... during a TOTAL power outage overnight, they retained ALL settings through that period, including keeping time... didn't have to reset anything!

Only a priest, minister or rabbi could possibly explain that!

I know that you are the resident expert but are you sure that some setting did not default during the power outage, possibly the autoclock setting?
post #6070 of 25453
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dangerdoc1 View Post

I know that you are the resident expert but are you sure that some setting did not default during the power outage, possibly the autoclock setting?

Nope. Clocks were on correct time, Auto Clocks were on my Manual setting of FOX analog 6, channels still in memory... didn't have to touch a thing!

I think someone else reported a similar experience but can't remember who or in which thread.
post #6071 of 25453
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post #6072 of 25453
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

If the seconds are off (likely) for people who use The 11:57 Procedure, they can set them by setting the 2160 clock 1 minute ahead of an atomic or other accurate household clock, then pressing OK the instant that other clock hits that minute mark.

For yours and others' information, this is a link to a really great web-based clock for setting your DVDR's etc.: the USNO clock which is the official US time clock. The big advantage is that it is simple covers all time zones and works through most firewalls.
post #6073 of 25453
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

For yours and others' information, this is a link to a really great web-based clock for setting your DVDR's etc.: the USNO clock which is the official US time clock. The big advantage is that it is simple covers all time zones and works through most firewalls.

Nice. I'll have to bookmark that one. I usually just use the clock on my cell phone to calibrate my DVDR's. Comparing it with the US Naval Observatory, the cell looks accurate to within a fraction of a second.

Since I'm gaining 3 seconds a day, that's good enough for me. I only reset my times once a week so shows are about +/- 10 seconds from real time. If it is something I'm definitely planning on burning to DVD, I make sure to start the recording 1 minute before and go 1 minute beyond the time block.
post #6074 of 25453
I have an audio question about my Philips 3576H. Does the audio deteriorate with a lower quality video setting the way it did with VHS tape? If I record at SP or SPP is the audio progressively worse than HQ?
post #6075 of 25453
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Charles_I View Post

I have an audio question about my Philips 3576H. Does the audio deteriorate with a lower quality video setting the way it did with VHS tape? If I record at SP or SPP is the audio progressively worse than HQ?

It shouldn't... the audio bit rate is the same no matter what rec mode is used, as shown here, which are tests with video cable off, audio cables only.

However, there CAN be problems with programs produced for and shown on digital channels, as described in this post.
post #6076 of 25453
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

For yours and others' information, this is a link to a really great web-based clock for setting your DVDR's etc.: the USNO clock which is the official US time clock. The big advantage is that it is simple covers all time zones and works through most firewalls.

Time has come today...1

Time has come today...2
post #6077 of 25453
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Originally Posted by SteelTownGuy View Post

Nice. I'll have to bookmark that one. I usually just use the clock on my cell phone to calibrate my DVDR's. Comparing it with the US Naval Observatory, the cell looks accurate to within a fraction of a second.

. . . If it is something I'm definitely planning on burning to DVD, I make sure to start the recording 1 minute before and go 1 minute beyond the time block.

When scheduling recordings the adding in of buffer time will work until there are back-to-back recordings on different channels. It's better to have the clock set to the exact time. Then one may hope that the networks/stations are scheduling with the exact time.

Very briefly I set my recorders to my cell phone time only to find the endings (or was it the beginnings?) of recordings were missing. Then I realized that T-Mobile time was sometimes off by as much as three minutes.

T-Mobile time has been better lately but why rely on such an unreliable source?
post #6078 of 25453
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Originally Posted by fallingwater View Post

Time has come today...1

Time has come today...2

Whoa! What happened? I clicked on the first link above and my Firefox browser freaked and closed! Good thing it also restored the tabs on restart.
post #6079 of 25453
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

It shouldn't... the audio bit rate is the same no matter what rec mode is used, as shown here, which are tests with video cable off, audio cables only.

However, there CAN be problems with programs produced for and shown on digital channels, as described in this post.

Great! I want to save some music programs - I don't care if the video deteriorates a bit - I'd rather preserve the best audio possible for future. I'm on cable in Canada - not recording digital so that's not an issue. Thanks.
post #6080 of 25453
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Originally Posted by stump69 View Post

Whoa! What happened? I clicked on the first link above and my Firefox browser freaked and closed! Good thing it also restored the tabs on restart.

I don't know. It's the US Navy, not a technoterrorist!

Here's the link that freaked Firefox:
http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/time
and the Oceanography Portal:
http://www.usno.navy.mil/
post #6081 of 25453
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

When scheduling recordings the adding in of buffer time will work until there are back-to-back recordings on different channels. It's better to have the clock set to the exact time. Then one may hope that the networks/stations are scheduling with the exact time.

If a person has 10 DVDr's going at the same time, would there ever be more than 10 shows on at the same time?
post #6082 of 25453
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Originally Posted by timtofly View Post

If a person has 10 DVDr's going at the same time, would there ever be more than 10 shows on at the same time?

I've got 3 DVDRs in line to cover at least 3 of the 4 major networks and, luckily, haven't yet had a 4th network show on at the same time as others.
post #6083 of 25453
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Originally Posted by timtofly View Post

If a person has 10 DVDr's going at the same time, would there ever be more than 10 shows on at the same time?

timtofly - has 3 tivo's for the "important" stuff and just added the 5th 3455 for the syfy channel. ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox are covered by the other 4.
post #6084 of 25453
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Originally Posted by timtofly View Post

If a person has 10 DVDr's going at the same time, would there ever be more than 10 shows on at the same time?

I currently have ten DVD or HDD/DVD recorders set up between my bedroom and home office. Another HDD/DVD recorder is scheduled to arrive today. I expect to set up that recorder in my bedroom.

So, in theory, I may record many programs at the same time.

When I mentioned back-to-back recordings on different channels I wasn't so much referring to a problem I'm likely to encounter as I routinely use a tandem recording strategy and often build in a minute or more buffer time due to tight programming of movies of various lengths squeezed into standardized time slots. To give an example, Turner Classic Movies sometimes schedules a 76 minute long movie into a 75 minute time slot or a 122 minute long movie into a 120 minute time slot. Buffer time is necessary in those instances. Let's say that TCM too tightly schedules those movies into back-to-back programming blocks that total 3:15 in duration and I want to record both movies. (I should add that TCM does not edit or time-compress their programming.) Where will the break between those movies actually occur? When there is some uncertainty as to the actual break I'll sometimes record two movies as a single recording on a HDD recorder and then divide the recording later. Or, with a tandem strategy one recorder may be set up with buffer timing for the first movie while another recorder is set up for the second movie with an overlap and buffer timing as well. This has been my practice with direct to DVD recorders.

My comment about exact time becomes a consideration with back-to-back recordings scheduled on different channels when only a single recorder is in use.
post #6085 of 25453
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

I currently have ten DVD or HDD/DVD recorders set up between my bedroom and home office. Another HDD/DVD recorder is scheduled to arrive today. I expect to set up that recorder in my bedroom.

So, in theory, I may record many programs at the same time.

When I mentioned back-to-back recordings on different channels I wasn't so much referring to a problem I'm likely to encounter as I routinely use a tandem recording strategy and often build in a minute or more buffer time due to tight programming of movies of various lengths squeezed into standardized time slots. To give an example, Turner Classic Movies sometimes schedules a 76 minute long movie into a 75 minute time slot or a 122 minute long movie into a 120 minute time slot. Buffer time is necessary in those instances. Let's say that TCM too tightly schedules those movies into back-to-back programming blocks that total 3:15 in duration and I want to record both movies. (I should add that TCM does not edit or time-compress their programming.) Where will the break between those movies actually occur? When there is some uncertainty as to the actual break I'll sometimes record two movies as a single recording on a HDD recorder and then divide the recording later. Or, with a tandem strategy one recorder may be set up with buffer timing for the first movie while another recorder is set up for the second movie with an overlap and buffer timing as well. This has been my practice with direct to DVD recorders.

My comment about exact time becomes a consideration with back-to-back recordings scheduled on different channels when only a single recorder is in use.


I'm not sure I have the commitment to record like you do but I would sure like to have you as a neighbor.

The Library of Congress must be feeling some competition.
post #6086 of 25453
Earlier today I consulted the Service Manual for Philips European Models 3575H/3577H/3595H/35977H in order to post information in another thread.

In that Service Manual I noticed a key to deconstructing Philips serial numbers. Perhaps this may be of some interest or relevance for Philips USA products:

Note the serial number of the set example:

VN19 0650 100070

- VN = production center (VN….Szekesfehervar).
According to UAW-500: V=22 and N=14 (A = 1, B = 2, C =3, etc)
- 19 = change code (this is not used for this calculation)
- 06 = YEAR
- 50 = Production WEEK
- 100070 = Lot and SERIAL number
post #6087 of 25453
Thread Starter 
AVS Member sydyen has prepared a great writeup of info and a procedure for finding Comcast digital channels that they map to "deep" subchannels that escape this DVDR's Auto Channel Preset channel scan.

I've incorporated that writeup here, in the "Tuning" help file.

* * * * * * *
Background if interested:

As you know, our DVDR's can skip an entire digital channel group if the 1st subchannel, XX.1, is Scrambled or "blank" in a cableco's channel lineup.

If you've got a digital-tunered TV, you may see those deep subchannels somewhere in the TV's channel lineup, like 107-300, and you can usually use the PhilMag's Manual Channel Preset menu to enter that major channel number, 107, which will enter ALL tunable channels in that group in memory, even the "Scrambled" ones.

Comcast seems to do things differently in certain areas so some channels don't map to the same major channel number. This means a tedious blind search for the exact channel and subchannel location that fits our Phil Mag tuner's mapping method.

The "Sydyen Procedure" linked above uses Comcast's Digiital Transport Adapter (DTA), which they provide free to subscribers, to discover the exact mapped location of all the tunable Comcast channels, which *should* also be tunable by the PhilMag DVDR.

Please post any comments to this procedure... or PM sydyen directly here... he'd esp. like to hear about any info or procedures on other DTA-type boxes you might have.
post #6088 of 25453
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Nope. Clocks were on correct time, Auto Clocks were on my Manual setting of FOX analog 6, channels still in memory... didn't have to touch a thing!

I think someone else reported a similar experience but can't remember who or in which thread.

Wajo,

That was I who reported the same experience in this thread

Could not wait for the J&R 2160 to arrive to do the test, so I tried again today on the 2160A, twice. Both time, I lost the clock and the timer scheduled program after disconnecting the power for about an hour. But all other settings were saved, including display aspect, dimmer,.... everything that I've changed that were different from factory settings! The first try, Auto Clock was set to OFF. The second try, Auto Clock was set to Auto.

My conclusion: it seems the settings were saved on HDD. But for the clock and time-related settings to be restored, it must be set in a some way that caused the clock to be detected as the unit powered up, that we don't know yet.
post #6089 of 25453
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

It shouldn't... the audio bit rate is the same no matter what rec mode is used, as shown here, which are tests with video cable off, audio cables only.

However, there CAN be problems with programs produced for and shown on digital channels, as described in this post.

Frankly, I'm not sure what you were doing there with the audio tests. AC3/Dolby Digital is a constant bitrate format so there is no need to take bitrate measurements.

I've never recorded below SP so I can't comment on longer play speeds, but both HQ and SP use 256kbps. That's pretty good for 2-channels. Most commercial discs will use 192-224kbps for stereo (though they can use higher).

Has anyone else dropped a burned disc in their PC to check the bitrate on the other speeds?
post #6090 of 25453
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Originally Posted by auskck View Post

I may have gotten the last one, ordered at 1000am CST yesterday
MASPETH , NY , US 07/29/2009 9:51 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
07/29/2009 7:52 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN
US 07/29/2009 6:08 P.M. BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED

Actually I think I may have gotten the last one from J&R before they ran out on Wednesday. I ordered the 2160 on Wednesday at about 4 pm. I was only allowed to order 1 due to the status of amount left (only 1 ?). According to the shipping info, they shipped it out at 6:45 pm Thursday and I had it delivered at 5 pm on Friday, and all with regular UPS ground shipping.

I received a Dec. 2008 model with following hours of use:

SKIP321
Time DVD-WR: 0.00
Time DVD-RD: 2.33
TimeCD: 0.00

SKIP079
HDD Power On Hours: 18

Curiously it had three titles on the hard drive from the previous owner recorded from stations from Philadelphia

The Doctor's - rec date 02/13/09
20/20 - A Hidden America - Appalachia's Children - rec date 02/13/09
Jerry Springer show - only 28 seconds recorded.

Anybody recognize if this was your machine that was returned?

Looks like the previous owner hooked it up and tested it on Feb. 13 and must not have liked the quality of the recordings (all recorded in EP mode) or had some other trouble, like couldn't get it back out of DVD mode!

So far seems to be working fine for me.
This will join a 2 year old 3575 that is still going strong and a 1 year old 3576.

I see J&R has the 2160 back in stock for now.
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