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post #1021 of 19097
Where can I access the PureVideo control panel? I heard I can in Zoom Player, but I'll be damned if I can see it.
post #1022 of 19097
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Originally Posted by audionewer View Post

do i need to have 1:1 ratio if i am building HTPC?

Which ratio are you talking about?
post #1023 of 19097
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Originally Posted by leftheaded View Post

interesting.. so, is this going to be the "the motherboard" for dedicated HTPC use... well, for those not wanting a discrete graphics card anyway?

Exactly.
post #1024 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Michael St. Clair View Post

Where can I access the PureVideo control panel? I heard I can in Zoom Player, but I'll be damned if I can see it.

Control Panel > Additional Optons > NVIDIA Control Panel. Or right-click on the Desktop and select NVIDIA Control Panel. I don't know about ZP.
post #1025 of 19097
i just bought ddr2-800 and video card (3450 ), i was wondering do i need to overclock th cpu for HTPC? or not?
post #1026 of 19097
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Originally Posted by audionewer View Post

i just bought ddr2-800 and video card (3450 ), i was wondering do i need to overclock th cpu for HTPC? or not?

If hardware acceleration works, you don't need oc.
post #1027 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Control Panel > Additional Optons > NVIDIA Control Panel. Or right-click on the Desktop and select NVIDIA Control Panel. I don't know about ZP.
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Originally Posted by Michael St. Clair View Post

Where can I access the PureVideo control panel? I heard I can in Zoom Player, but I'll be damned if I can see it.

Renethx, those instructions work for the Nvidia video card driver control panel, but not for Purevideo, at least in XP. To access the Purevideo controls, you need to start a DVD playing in ZP (or whatever player you're using), then go out of fullscreen mode. You'll see the Nvidia icon in the taskbar tray, right-click that, choose Decoder Properties.
post #1028 of 19097
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Yup, I see now it's PureVideo Decoder.
post #1029 of 19097
Okay, my brain is starting to smoke here. I need some help. I'm having my friend build me a new pc and it's time to buy the mobo and I'm just way out of my depth.

I need the pc to be able to play hidef video (mainly tv for now), run emulated games (up to PS2 and Xbox level, for arguments sake), and multitask like crazy.

I would like to have everything through hdmi but last time I checked (a while back) it looked as though there wasn't really a good solution for hdmi. If there still isn't I'd like to run video through dvi-to-hdmi and audio through analog. I'm going to be using my hdtv.

On board vs separate video card is something I am really not sure about.

This is the mobo my friend is suggesting...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813131013R

Should I go with that and a separate video card or is there a better solution?
post #1030 of 19097
I built a machine using a gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R/S2 motherboard and an 8500GT and it will play through the DVI-->HDMI cable perfectly and it looks amazing. The computer will not recognize the Sony W3000 LCD upon rebooting however and the only way I can seem to use the HDMI cable it to have another 'regular' monitor hooked up when booting up, then disconnect it and not reboot!

Any ideas? I'm using DVI to RGB right now.
post #1031 of 19097
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Originally Posted by lern2swim View Post

On board vs separate video card is something I am really not sure about.

Roughly speaking,

- discrete graphics = integrated graphics (the upcoming GeForce 8200 and AMD 780G) in video playback performance
- discrete graphics > integrated graphics in 3D performance

So it depends on what 3D performance you want. Benchmark results of 780G is here.
post #1032 of 19097
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Originally Posted by RandallCS View Post

I built a machine using a gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R/S2 motherboard and an 8500GT and it will play through the DVI-->HDMI cable perfectly and it looks amazing. The computer will not recognize the Sony W3000 LCD upon rebooting however and the only way I can seem to use the HDMI cable it to have another 'regular' monitor hooked up when booting up, then disconnect it and not reboot!

Any ideas? I'm using DVI to RGB right now.

Something is wrong with 8500GT/8600GTS. Is this the same problem as yours?
post #1033 of 19097
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It looks like GeForce 8200 is HDMI 1.3a compliant and supports 8 channel LPCM audio over HDMI.

AnandTech Gary Key's blol - GeForce 8200 Update - HDMI 1.3a is here...sort of.... (February 7, 2008)

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After posting some early comments about the 780G chipset, we had a flood of requests wondering about the HDMI output capabilities of the GeForce 8200. We will have further details later today but at this time the chipset is HDMI 1.3a "compliant". The mGPU does not support 12-bit or 16-bit deep color but meets the other video specific criteria. Also, 8-channel LPCM output is fully supported but decoding of TrueHD and DTS-HD MA is not available. We are still trying to understand NVIDIA's translation on the lack of TrueHD/DTS-HD MA support.

We do understand the chipset will not decode these audio standards but what is still not confirmed is if TrueHD/DTS-HD MA streams can be passed to PowerDVD 7 Ultra (or other supporting software applications), decoded, and then passed on as multichannel LPCM or out to a supporting A/V receiver to be decoded. We hope to have a final answer later this morning. In the meantime, we have to continue to express our concerns about the lack of multichannel LPCM output over HDMI in the AMD 780G product. Intel has already introduced this feature in the G35 chipset and NVIDIA will be introducing it later this month or in early March.

The specifications and features of the 780G and GeForce 8200 are very similar and most users will probably be satisfied with either solution. However, when it comes HTPC duty, generally the more advanced features the better, and in this case having multichannel LPCM output is an important distinction. We will have to wait to compare the video quality of AMD's UVD technology to the revamped NVIDIA PureVideo HD engine along with Hybrid CrossFire versus Hybrid SLI, but right now it appears NVIDIA is a couple of steps ahead in the audio area.

As I already mentioned in a previous post, GeForce 8200 also supports full hardware acceleration for all three codecs, MPEG-2, VC-1, H.264.
post #1034 of 19097
Thank you for this link. I will replicate this sequencing tomorrow and respond in the proper post.
Edit: Actually I don't use a receiver...I'm just using PC surround speakers from the office until I get a proper audio setup, so I don't think its a problem caused by trying to "handshake" with the receiver.

Thanks also for this guide which really inspired me to learn about HTPCs and computers in general. I am much happier and productive because of the machines built after I found this thread, so thanks again!
post #1035 of 19097
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Originally Posted by RandallCS View Post

Thank you for this link. I will replicate this sequencing tomorrow and respond in the proper post.
Edit: Actually I don't use a receiver...I'm just using PC surround speakers from the office until I get a proper audio setup, so I don't think its a problem caused by trying to "handshake" with the receiver.

I have seen the boot issue frequently in other threads. For example, this post. A quick fix is mentioned in a later post in that thread.
post #1036 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

It looks like GeForce 8200 is HDMI 1.3a compliant and supports 8 channel LPCM audio over HDMI.

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We do understand the chipset will not decode these audio standards but what is still not confirmed is if TrueHD/DTS-HD MA streams can be passed to PowerDVD 7 Ultra (or other supporting software applications), decoded, and then passed on as multichannel LPCM or out to a supporting A/V receiver to be decoded. We hope to have a final answer later this morning. In the meantime, we have to continue to express our concerns about the lack of multichannel LPCM output over HDMI in the AMD 780G product. Intel has already introduced this feature in the G35 chipset and NVIDIA will be introducing it later this month or in early March.

Technically Intel has supported this back to the G965 with an ADD2 card, but at any rate it's good to see Nvidia join the party! It will be a good year for audio, I think.
post #1037 of 19097
Today I'm running a E4300 CPU with 2GB of ram and it runs 1080p mkv files averaging 70% load (files locally stored). It works but not great. Some times the movies studders so I've been looking to buy a new cpu/mobo combo.

Either I get the Quad Q6600 together with an Asus P5E-V HDMI mobo, or I wait until I can find someone who actually have the E8400 in stock. (I live in Sweden and it's not scheduled for delivery until March 17th)...

Which one would you guys use? I'm going to New York over the weekend in 2 weeks - anyone know any good store who carries the E8400 so I can pick it up myself?
post #1038 of 19097
FYI: Best Buy has a Western Digital 500 GB SATA drive on clearance for $86 or $88 at some stores. This drive is being clearanced to make room for a "green" drive with lower power consumption.

SKU: 7821967
Model: WD5000KSRTL

Great inexpensive disk for media storage or RAID.
post #1039 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Roughly speaking,

- discrete graphics = integrated graphics (the upcoming GeForce 8200 and AMD 780G) in video playback performance
- discrete graphics > integrated graphics in 3D performance

So it depends on what 3D performance you want. Benchmark results of 780G is here.

What about the mobo I posted? Will that do the job?
post #1040 of 19097
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Originally Posted by lern2swim View Post

What about the mobo I posted? Will that do the job?

The motherboard you posted does not have integrated video. Therefore if you pair it with a good graphics card, yes. But it all depends on the graphics card.
post #1041 of 19097
Great great post on building HTPC....

I was going to start building a HTPC but now that I know that if I have a video card that will do all of the video I am wondering if I can get away with just updating my video card.

I have a Dell Dimension 8250 2.53 P4 with 1.5Gig Rambus Ram
The AGP is 4x


Can I just upgrade my video card to a HD2600 XT 512MB AGP Video Card like this one http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0263676

Will the fact that this card is 8x/4x and my computer only has a 4x bus prohibit this card from working with my system?

I also know that the psu is only 250w.Knowing that I will not want to underpower the card I will want to replace/upgrade the psu.Am I better off getting a replacement psu for the dell 8250 OR should I get a modular psa so that in the future when I do goto replace/upgrade computers I can just use that for the computer I build?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Michael
post #1042 of 19097
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Originally Posted by dreadlock View Post

Today I'm running a E4300 CPU with 2GB of ram and it runs 1080p mkv files averaging 70% load (files locally stored). It works but not great. Some times the movies studders so I've been looking to buy a new cpu/mobo combo.

Either I get the Quad Q6600 together with an Asus P5E-V HDMI mobo, or I wait until I can find someone who actually have the E8400 in stock. (I live in Sweden and it's not scheduled for delivery until March 17th)...

Which one would you guys use? I'm going to New York over the weekend in 2 weeks - anyone know any good store who carries the E8400 so I can pick it up myself?

70% CPU usage of E4300 1.8GHz when running 1080p mkv is pretty normal. Stuttering without CPU hitting 100% usually means bad software configuration (filters and their setting). Which mb, graphics, player (and filters) do you use? Perhaps you need to tweak your player and/or overclock CPU before jumping on Q6600 or E8400.

The price of E8400 (1000 qty) is $183, the same as E6750. However,

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Intel introduced the E8000 desktop CPU series, which feature enhanced performance and power efficiency, on January 20. Despite that the launch drew attention, Intel's strategically planned shipments have led to a shortage, the sources said. Driven by the attempt to lessen impact to sales of E6000 CPUs before inventory is completely sold, Intel is cautiously monitoring shipments of the 45nm-based CPUs, they explained.

Taiwan market: Intel E8000 CPU family shortage spurs pricing up over 20%

US market is in the same situation as Taiwan market. The retail price of E8400 is > $220 and it's hard to find it.
post #1043 of 19097
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Originally Posted by lern2swim View Post

What about the mobo I posted? Will that do the job?

Yes, it will. But it's two-year old model. Soon nForce 750a/780a SLI will be released (March) and I would wait. Or if you have no preference for AMD, you may choose Core 2 Duo or Quad (much better than AMD processors) and a P35 motherboard.
post #1044 of 19097
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Originally Posted by milachy View Post

Great great post on building HTPC....

I was going to start building a HTPC but now that I know that if I have a video card that will do all of the video I am wondering if I can get away with just updating my video card.

I have a Dell Dimension 8250 2.53 P4 with 1.5Gig Rambus Ram
The AGP is 4x


Can I just upgrade my video card to a HD2600 XT 512MB AGP Video Card like this one http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0263676

Will the fact that this card is 8x/4x and my computer only has a 4x bus prohibit this card from working with my system?

I also know that the psu is only 250w.Knowing that I will not want to underpower the card I will want to replace/upgrade the psu.Am I better off getting a replacement psu for the dell 8250 OR should I get a modular psa so that in the future when I do goto replace/upgrade computers I can just use that for the computer I build?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Michael

Your system is 6 year old. It's time to buy a new system. The components you can reuse are hard drive, mouse and keyboard. Look at MicroATX System - Low-End I. The motherboard will be soon replaced by a GeForce 8200 or AMD 780G chipset motherboard, powerful enough for HD contents. The total cost will remain the same.

If you hate to build your own system, buy HP Slimline s3300t series.
post #1045 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Your system is 6 year old. It's time to buy a new system. The components you can reuse are hard drive, mouse and keyboard. Look at MicroATX System - Low-End I. The motherboard will be soon replaced by a GeForce 8200 or AMD 780G chipset motherboard, powerful enough for HD contents. The total cost will remain the same.

If you hate to build your own system, buy HP Slimline s3300t series.

Thank you for the advice. Makes sense once I looked at how much a psu and vid card would be to update an outdated system.I will let you know how things turned out with the Low end I.

Michael
post #1046 of 19097
what E4300 won't run at 3 ghz ?????

post #1047 of 19097
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Originally Posted by jimwhite View Post

what E4300 won't run at 3 ghz ?????


It should run, but the motherboard could be a bottleneck. A pre-build system may not allow oc at all.
post #1048 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Yes, it will. But it's two-year old model. Soon nForce 750a/780a SLI will be released (March) and I would wait. Or if you have no preference for AMD, you may choose Core 2 Duo or Quad (much better than AMD processors) and a P35 motherboard.


Just so I can get a complete picture. If I do decide to stick with AMD what would be the equivalent of the p35?

And does anyone know anything about this video card?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127302

It looks like a good solution. I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Again, I'm looking for hd video playback and some emulated games as far as video goes.
post #1049 of 19097
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Originally Posted by lern2swim View Post

Just so I can get a complete picture. If I do decide to stick with AMD what would be the equivalent of the p35?

Besides nForce 750a SLI, AMD offers AMD 790X (CrossFire x16), AMD 790X (CrossFire x8), AMD 770 (no CrossFire). Among them 790X is close to the P35 position in the Intel platform. For example,

- GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-DS4, $150
- GIGABYTE GA-MA770-DS3, $110

are a good choice.

As for that video card, users complain about loud fan noise and speed can't be slowed down. GeForce 8600 GTS is soon discontiued and replaced by GeForce 9600 GT ($169-$189; to be released on February 28 or 19, not sure) which is far much better in gaming (close to 8800 GT). Another good card is ATI Radeon HD 3850, $170.
post #1050 of 19097
I've allready made the choice for new rig, and it will be the new Gigabyte micro ATX 780g+sb700+alc889 board.

I've read loads of reviews of single core amd athlon 3500's, 4000+'s decoding 1080p bluray at high bitrates with the 780g and all of them seem to get really minimum CPU load during their tests.

What CPU should I chose?? My demands are completely passive CPU-cooling with 2 x Noctua's running at low (800 rpm) as only cooling in my fusion chassis.

Then BE-2300@2.1 ghz works (according to a friend) with Scythe Mini Ninja (a cooler that was made in close coop between Scythe and Antec especially for the NSK24x0 and the Fusion. The fan on the scythe will not be used) 45 degrees celsius at full load for 6 hours was the result my friend got)

The E4300@3ghz (wow!) seem to work with the Silverstone NT01 and 2 x Noctuas running low, a little higher temp than the above config, 50+ degrees at full load for a few hours I've read in other forum..)

The Gigabyte 780g board that comes out soon is AM2+ plattform.

The tuffest job for my HTPC will be playback of bluray/HDVD at 1080p/24 with full hd audio.

What CPU (AM2/AM2+) plattform would be the best value for money??
(Remember - passive cooling is a must for me!)

First I was all set for a 45w BE-2x00 and overclock it as far as the passive cooling handles. Now I'm not sure all of a sudden..

Gimme a hint..

Love this forum. It rules.
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