Also, do you know where I may fine 18" Straight to straight SATA cables at an affordable price? I don't see why the ones I am finding cost 6-7 bucks a piece.
Thanks renethx, So a gigabit ethernet connection will work fast enough for what I want to do, I do have an pentium 3 with xp on it that I could install a PCI gigabit ethernet card and put all the TBs hard drivers on it as a server right?
Can this server PC be away from the HTPC laptop somewhere on the basement connected to the basement router via an 5e ethernet cable that is able to support gigabit speed? Or that would be too far from the main laptop on the main floor, for the HD content play and record without issues or delays?
By the way I found my self another deal, I guess this one is a better one because it has Bray player, so I can put all my Bray disc on the server.
Wow that's expensive. I got almost the same thing from Gateway without the discrete graphics for $500, but that was a one off Best Buy deal. You can still find cheaper stuff than that though. I think there was a Sony with Blu-ray and Core i5 for $700 from Best Buy.
It's mysterious for me why some people get HD audio bitstreaming and others don't. In my case I don't get bitstreaming with ASRock/GIGABYTE+TMT3; WinDVD and ffdshow are just fine; PowerDVD is the worst (no proper H.264 decoding). Tomorrow I will test ASUS P7H55D-M EVO.
I'm confused about what exactly bitstreaming is and why it's so important.
I've got the Intel Core i3 530, ASRock H55M Pro outputting to a Sony HT-CT100 soundbar, which supports Dolby Digital/DTS/ProLogic II. How does bitstreaming apply to this setup? The manual says to output sound in Multi-channel PCM. Where would I do that?
I'm confused about what exactly bitstreaming is and why it's so important.
I've got the Intel Core i3 530, ASRock H55M Pro outputting to a Sony HT-CT100 soundbar, which supports Dolby Digital/DTS/ProLogic II. How does bitstreaming apply to this setup? The manual says to output sound in Multi-channel PCM. Where would I do that?
I believe it means support for the original bitstream blueray hd audio over HDMI, such as TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.
Both wikipedia articles list -
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hd audio type may be transported to AV receivers in 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 channels, at full uncompressed quality, in one of three ways depending on player and/or receiver support[3]:
* Over 6, 7 or 8 RCA connectors as analog audio, using the player's internal decoder and digital-to-analog converter (DAC).
* Over HDMI 1.1 (or higher) connections as 6-, 7- or 8-channel linear PCM, using the player's decoder and the AV receiver's DAC.
* Over HDMI 1.3 (or higher) connections as the original hd audio type bitstream, with decoding and DAC both done by the AV receiver.
I think over HDMI 1.3 is what we're talking about (original bitstream), though the HDMI 1.1 lists PCM. However I haven't heard yet of a motherboard that supports it with Clarkdale. The H55/H57 boards I've looked at have reported trouble (though I haven't seen any comments on the intel MBs). Clarkdale supports it, but I haven't seen any successful reports out there in my (limited) searching...
I don't claim to be an expert here though and am trying to get a handle on it myself, so someone else please jump in...
A lot of people have it working in the Core i7, i5, i3 thread.
Yup, I am one of the them (Zotac H55 Mini-ITX + Core i5). Note bitstreaming only applies to the core i5/i3, I believe it does not apply to i7 (correct?)
Yup, I am one of the them (Zotac H55 Mini-ITX + Core i5). Note bitstreaming only applies to the core i5/i3, I believe it does not apply to i7 (correct?)
It's the on die GPU of the i3/i5 that enables bitstreaming, so yes not the i7 or any others w/o on die GPU.
First off, renethx, AWESOME post. Easily one of the best guides I have ever seen.
I do have a question though.
I have decided to go with the Mini-ITX Standard Build for my HTPC (Bottom of Post).
I need to be able to play video not only on my own HDTV (Using HDMI) but I also need to be able to connect to SDTV's.
I am thinking doing this for Standard Definition:
3.5mm to RCA Cable for Sound
Apple DVI to Video Adapter for Video (Plus RCA Cable)
My big question is, will that work?
I can find nothing that says whether that ZOTAC board has DVI-I ports (although they look like it). Also, if there is any other reason it wouldn't work?
Thanks renethx, So a gigabit ethernet connection will work fast enough for what I want to do, I do have an pentium 3 with xp on it that I could install a PCI gigabit ethernet card and put all the TBs hard drivers on it as a server right?
Can this server PC be away from the HTPC laptop somewhere on the basement connected to the basement router via an 5e ethernet cable that is able to support gigabit speed? Or that would be too far from the main laptop on the main floor, for the HD content play and record without issues or delays?
By the way I found my self another deal, I guess this one is a better one because it has Bray player, so I can put all my Bray disc on the server.
Are you dead set on a laptop? I had a space limitation and I built my HTPC using the M350 case. The hardware cost was right around $500.
Thanks for the replay MurrayW, For starter the system that you put together will cost me around an extra 200 bucks or so in Canada, plus I kind of see the saving differently, in 3 years or so if I want to upgrade my HTPC, I just buy another laptop and I could give this laptop to my wife to replace her existing one, and should still be fast enough for what she needs, but if in the other hand in the future I want to upgrade my HTPC using the one that you bought I really have no use for the old at all. So I kind of see it as paying more up front but saving on the long run.
Thanks again renethx for all you help on this site.
I plan on using Unraid with this MB GIGABYTE GA-MA785GT-UD3H Is it fine to use one of the external USB ports for the pen drive that will contain the Unraid OS?
You will use a USB flash drive instead of a HDD for UnRAID.
I'm confused about what exactly bitstreaming is and why it's so important.
I've got the Intel Core i3 530, ASRock H55M Pro outputting to a Sony HT-CT100 soundbar, which supports Dolby Digital/DTS/ProLogic II. How does bitstreaming apply to this setup? The manual says to output sound in Multi-channel PCM. Where would I do that?
Bitstreaming means sending compressed audio streams instead of first decoding compressed data to LPCM in PC, then sending LPCM. So your receiver must be able to decode compressed audio formats (typically Dolby Digital, DTS, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD HRA, and DTS-HD MA).
HT-CT100 does not decode TrueHD/DTS-HD. So you can ignore this aspect.
How much in performance will I be loosing compare to a desktop HTPC using the same i5 CPU and this mother board: Asus P7H55-M Pro Socket 1156 Intel H55 Chipset Dual-Channel DDR3 2133 ?
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Originally Posted by renethx
Yup, you can use your existing system as a server and can place it anywhere on your local network.
Using Media Center can I record OTA tv shows in a hard drive that is located in another computer somewhere in the network?
I have never build a server before so this may be a silly question.
Do I need to set up anything differently to have a server with the TBs hard drivers in the basement? How fast should it be? Can it be just a Pentium 3 with 2G of ram, running XP?
First off, renethx, AWESOME post. Easily one of the best guides I have ever seen.
I do have a question though.
I have decided to go with the Mini-ITX Standard Build for my HTPC (Bottom of Post).
I need to be able to play video not only on my own HDTV (Using HDMI) but I also need to be able to connect to SDTV's.
I am thinking doing this for Standard Definition:
3.5mm to RCA Cable for Sound
Apple DVI to Video Adapter for Video (Plus RCA Cable)
My big question is, will that work?
I can find nothing that says whether that ZOTAC board has DVI-I ports (although they look like it). Also, if there is any other reason it wouldn't work?
The DVI port of H55ITX-A-E is DVI-I so it supports VGA too. But perhaps Apple DVI to Video Adapter for Video won't work; it is designed for specific ATI graphics cards (which perhaps has an VGA to SDTV encoder).
You'd better add a discrete graphic card that has a 7-pin mini-DIN connector (e.g Radeon HD 4xxx) and use a S-video cable.
How much in performance will I be loosing compare to a desktop HTPC using the same i5 CPU and this mother board: Asus P7H55-M Pro Socket 1156 Intel H55 Chipset Dual-Channel DDR3 2133 ?
Using Media Center can I record OTA tv shows in a hard drive that is located in another computer somewhere in the network?
Do I need to set up anything differently to have a server with the TBs hard drivers in the basement? How fast should it be? Can it be just a Pentium 3 with 2G of ram, running XP?
It depends on the task. For video playback, there should be no difference.
Yes.
A server (processor, HDD etc.) doesn't need to be fast if its purpose is streaming videos to multiple PCs. 1-2TB 5400rpm HDDs with 64K clusters and Gb LAN will be enough.
A server (processor, HDD etc.) doesn't need to be fast if its purpose is streaming videos to multiple PCs. 1-2TB 5400rpm HDDs with 64K clusters and Gb LAN will be enough.
When using WHS (with no underlying hardware RAID), are 5400 rpm drives fast enough for streaming HD content? I can't imagine the drives being the bottle neck, but just want to make sure.
Yup, I am one of the them (Zotac H55 Mini-ITX + Core i5). Note bitstreaming only applies to the core i5/i3, I believe it does not apply to i7 (correct?)
The one exception is the Core i7m Arrandale series. They are based on the same architecture as the Core i3/i5s.
When using WHS (with no underlying hardware RAID), are 5400 rpm drives fast enough for streaming HD content? I can't imagine the drives being the bottle neck, but just want to make sure.
Sorry for the noob question
I have 14 drives in my WHS, all either 5400 or 5900 RPM, never had one issue streaming HD content to multiple players at once.
Dell is "special" and uses proprietary connectors.
CJ
Maybe for a PC bought in the early 90's. Dell has been using standard power connectors for years!
The power supply in the 537s is not a standard power supply in regards to its PHYSICAL size. I believe it is a 2u sized power supply. The motherboard, drive and other power connections are all standard.
I'm confused about what exactly bitstreaming is and why it's so important.
I've got the Intel Core i3 530, ASRock H55M Pro outputting to a Sony HT-CT100 soundbar, which supports Dolby Digital/DTS/ProLogic II. How does bitstreaming apply to this setup? The manual says to output sound in Multi-channel PCM. Where would I do that?
It looks like I do have bitstream working already. I was looking at the Sony soundbar panel which just showed Dolby during a movie. However when no movie is playing it says PCM. When I started Inglorious Basterds, which is apparently the only movie I have with a DTS soundtrack it does change to DTS during playback.
Yup, I am one of the them (Zotac H55 Mini-ITX + Core i5). Note bitstreaming only applies to the core i5/i3, I believe it does not apply to i7 (correct?)
Ok, this is the first board I've heard that supports it. It looks like a nice board, though I was hoping to stay in the micro form factor to be flexible. Anyone know of any other boards that support Clarkdale bitstreaming?
This may sound repetitive because you answered these questions already, but this would be a big purchase for me and I need to double check
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Originally Posted by renethx
It depends on the task. For video playback, there should be no difference.
So if for video playback there should be no difference by going with the laptop. What about for multitasking?
Watching live OTA 1080i TV shows and recording, playing back other prerecorded TV shows, watching ripped Blue Ray 1080p movies and listening to music would be demanded of this laptop simultaneously by using Media Center extenders by 3 family members.
So is a little more than just video play back by a single party.
Still going with the laptop will be as fast as going with the desktop HTPC using the same i5 CPU and Asus P7H55-M Pro Socket 1156 Intel H55 Chipset Dual-Channel DDR3 2133 ?
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Originally Posted by renethx
A server (processor, HDD etc.) doesn't need to be fast if its purpose is streaming videos to multiple PCs. 1-2TB 5400rpm HDDs with 64K clusters and Gb LAN will be enough.
Since the HTPC laptop will be controlling this server, the same simultaneous demands will be apply to this server.
Does this multiple tasking may require faster hardware for the server?
Bitstreaming means sending compressed audio streams instead of first decoding compressed data to LPCM in PC, then sending LPCM. So your receiver must be able to decode compressed audio formats (typically Dolby Digital, DTS, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD HRA, and DTS-HD MA).
Can I get Bitstreaming with the specs of this laptop?
Ok, this is the first board I've heard that supports it. It looks like a nice board, though I was hoping to stay in the micro form factor to be flexible. Anyone know of any other boards that support Clarkdale bitstreaming?
There are plenty of MicroATX boards that support core i3/i5:
Maybe for a PC bought in the early 90's. Dell has been using standard power connectors for years!
The power supply in the 537s is not a standard power supply in regards to its PHYSICAL size. I believe it is a 2u sized power supply. The motherboard, drive and other power connections are all standard.
Thanks, that's what I needed to know before testing on a spare motherboard I own.
For those of you that are thinking of building a gaming htpc, I would wait until the silverstone sg07 is released. It can accomodate even a 12.2″ (309mm) ATI Radeon 5970 card! 600 watt PSU also! Think of all the power you can cram in that little beast...I know I am.
(long thread, but the last page or two contains a summary of various causes with diagnostics to help determine which one is responsible)
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Originally Posted by gmanhdtv
Maybe for a PC bought in the early 90's. Dell has been using standard power connectors for years!
The power supply in the 537s is not a standard power supply in regards to its PHYSICAL size. I believe it is a 2u sized power supply. The motherboard, drive and other power connections are all standard.
They're connectors are standard but the wiring is different and so are a couple of voltages. You cannot connect a standard PS into a Dell or the MB will fry. To replace a Dell MB with a non-Dell mb you will also have to change the PS. I was going to replace the PS and MB on my Dell that I bought just 2 1/2 years ago and found out that the outputs on the mATX Gigybyte MB are reversed from the Dell too. I did all this to reuse the case. It was pointless and I ended up just buying a Coolermaster case for $50 and the Dell is still sitting in the corner collecting dust unles I want to go back to Dell for a new MB.