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post #14191 of 19097
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Yup, if you are thinking of an external drive, there is almost no performance difference between USB 3.0 and eSATA.
post #14192 of 19097
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Originally Posted by goquakers View Post

So I am in kind of a pickle because I want to build a gaming system for about $1000 with a small form factor, NVIDIA card for 3D, Blu-Ray Slot Drive, and USB 3.0. It seems like I am missing at least one of these in any combination I think of - Mini-ITX or Micro ATX. Should I just forego the USB 3 and find an eSata solution?

You state mATX, which will give you some options that will work. The Gigabyte H57M-USB3 for Intel, the MSI 890GXM-G65 for AMD both give you 2 PCIe full slots, but have USB 3.0 built in so you wouldn't need the 2nd one. If you need a USB 3.0 card, you can pick up the Asus U3S6 on amazon.com for about $24. Sorry if I missed something in an earlier post you were referring to.
post #14193 of 19097
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Originally Posted by H8nXTC View Post

You state mATX, which will give you some options that will work. The Gigabyte H57M-USB3 for Intel, the MSI 890GXM-G65 for AMD both give you 2 PCIe full slots, but have USB 3.0 built in so you wouldn't need the 2nd one. If you need a USB 3.0 card, you can pick up the Asus U3S6 on amazon.com for about $24. Sorry if I missed something in an earlier post you were referring to.

Right but as ReneTHX's posts, no CPU cooler room.
post #14194 of 19097
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H8nXTC is talking about microATX mbs ("M" vs "N") and these mbs have enough room for a big CPU cooler...
post #14195 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

H8nXTC is talking about microATX mbs ("M" vs "N") and these mbs have enough room for a big CPU cooler...

Sorry, I slipped up. If I go with the mATX, then I can't get my NVIDIA 470 because it won't fit, right? That's what I meant when I was missing at least 1 component from my ideal HTPC system that is both 3D TV capable and usable for gaming.
post #14196 of 19097
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Originally Posted by goquakers View Post

Sorry, I slipped up. If I go with the mATX, then I can't get my NVIDIA 470 because it won't fit, right? That's what I meant when I was missing at least 1 component from my ideal HTPC system that is both 3D TV capable and usable for gaming.

GeForce GTX 470 is 9.5" long and may not fit some microATX cases. For example, it won't fit Antec Fusion Remote/NSK2480. It will fit SilverStone GD04/GD05. For example, you can change the mb and the case in the MicroATX High-End Intel-Intel System:

- Core i5-750
- Scythe BIG Shuriken (must be low-profile if you use an optical drive, due to the height restriction of GD04/GD05; take a look at this picture)
- GIGABYTE GA-H57M-USB3 (MSI H57M-ED65/GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4 [in the premium system] does not support USB 3.0)
- 2 x 2GB DDR3-1600
- 1 x 80GB SSD
- GeForce GTX 470
- 550W-650W PSU
- SilverStone GD04

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post #14197 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

GeForce GTX 470 is 9.5" long and may not fit some microATX cases. For example, it won't fit Antec Fusion Remote/NSK2480. It will fit SilverStone GD04/GD05. For example, you can change the mb and the case in the MicroATX High-End Intel-Intel System:

- Core i5-750
- Scythe BIG Shuriken (must be low-profile if you use an optical drive, due to the height restriction of GD04/GD05; take a look at this picture)
- GIGABYTE GA-H57M-USB3 (MSI H57M-ED65/GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4 [in the premium system] does not support USB 3.0)
- 2 x 2GB DDR3-1600
- 1 x 80GB SSD
- GeForce GTX 470
- 550W-650W PSU
- SilverStone GD04

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Dude. You rule.
post #14198 of 19097
What do you guys think of adding a Geforce GT 220 to a regular desktop to make it an HTPC. Is this the best option? My goal is low power usage and no need for video games.
post #14199 of 19097
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Originally Posted by medikit View Post

What do you guys think of adding a Geforce GT 220 to a regular desktop to make it an HTPC. Is this the best option? My goal is low power usage and no need for video games.

There's really no wrong answer to that question. Does the desktop system with the graphics card added do what you want for your intended HTPC use? If so, then it's a perfectly reasonable approach. There's really nothing inherently special about a HTPC - it usually just means that it has a case that looks like it belongs with the rest of the audio / video equipment, but there's no rule that says you can't use a normal desktop or tower case if you want.
post #14200 of 19097
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

There's really no wrong answer to that question. Does the desktop system with the graphics card added do what you want for your intended HTPC use? If so, then it's a perfectly reasonable approach. There's really nothing inherently special about a HTPC - it usually just means that it has a case that looks like it belongs with the rest of the audio / video equipment, but there's no rule that says you can't use a normal desktop or tower case if you want.

I meant using the GT 220 vs. other video card options. Sorry that this wasn't clearly stated.
post #14201 of 19097
I'm kicking around the idea of building a little ITX system for the bedroom to stream from my main HTPC in the living room. I have one now that's ATX, but want something smaller. I see you recommend the e5400 on the Intel systems, but would like to know what the advantage of it is over the e5300. I can find the e5300 in stock but not the e5400 (locally) and also there is the price difference...
post #14202 of 19097
I'm building the 15HDD server in the antec 1200, and the PSU has 8 sata and 8 molex connectors. Do I have to buy the connectors to convert each molex into a sata to connect all my drives up ? I'm ordering everything, and that seems like what I have to do. Just want all the parts here, so i can assemble with little to no snags....
post #14203 of 19097
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Originally Posted by chadskie View Post

I'm building the 15HDD server in the antec 1200, and the PSU has 8 sata and 8 molex connectors. Do I have to buy the connectors to convert each molex into a sata to connect all my drives up ? I'm ordering everything, and that seems like what I have to do. Just want all the parts here, so i can assemble with little to no snags....

Meritline and others sell a molex to dual sata power for cheap, you would only need 4 to power 16 drives with the chosen power supply.
post #14204 of 19097
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Originally Posted by medikit View Post

What do you guys think of adding a Geforce GT 220 to a regular desktop to make it an HTPC. Is this the best option? My goal is low power usage and no need for video games.

GT 220 is surely a good choice. HD 5450 is another choice. If you can spend more, go for HD 5570/5670 or GT 240 (better overall performance with little power increase [at idle/video playback]).
post #14205 of 19097
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

I'm kicking around the idea of building a little ITX system for the bedroom to stream from my main HTPC in the living room. I have one now that's ATX, but want something smaller. I see you recommend the e5400 on the Intel systems, but would like to know what the advantage of it is over the e5300. I can find the e5300 in stock but not the e5400 (locally) and also there is the price difference...

The main reason to choose E5400 over E5300 is that they are of the same price ($64).
post #14206 of 19097
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Originally Posted by chadskie View Post

I'm building the 15HDD server in the antec 1200, and the PSU has 8 sata and 8 molex connectors. Do I have to buy the connectors to convert each molex into a sata to connect all my drives up ? I'm ordering everything, and that seems like what I have to do. Just want all the parts here, so i can assemble with little to no snags....

Here is a nice, neat method. Buy

- FrozenCPU SATA Power Extension Cable - 600mm (PPE01M) x 2
- FrozenCPU ConnectRight DIY SATA EZ Crimp Connector - Black - 90° (M-SCA-16F-BK) x 16

Cut each extension cable to an appropriate length and attach *eight* of SATA EZ Crimp Connector like this:

The below is a 4 HDD version.

You will have an orange wire (+3.3V; not used in the current SATA drives) in addition to the four wires in the pictures. Make sure that the distance between two connectors is exactly the same as the distance between two HDDs in your case. Otherwise it would be very hard to attach the cable to eight HDDs.

Attach one of the extension cables to one SATA power cable of the PSU and the other to *another SATA power cable* (not another SATA connector on the same cable). This is to prevent over-current on 18AWG wires.
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post #14207 of 19097
Posted this on the main forum...any help?

"Well I have decided that I think I want 1 of these motherboards but I haven't found many reviews...why? Because they all have Sata 3, USB 3, DDR3 and the 850SB...

Which should I choose?

GIGABYTE GA-880GMA-UD2H Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128445
$107 shipped

ASUS M4A88TD-M/USB3 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131654
$112 shipped

MSI 880GMA-E45 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130276
$101 shipped (MBJULY coupon used)

I am really distraught as to which one I should purchase...all have good names. Any thoughts?"
post #14208 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Yes, you can add a DAS or build a server later.

SilverSone GD01, GD03 and LC20 can hold 8 HDDs (7 in the cage, 1 in the second 5.25" bay, and 1 2.5" OS drive in an empty PCI slot; this picture). There are lots of ATX mb with 8 or more SATA ports, for example,

- GIGABYTE GA-880GA-UD3H/GA-890GPA-UD3H
- ASRock H55 Extreme3
- ASUS P7P55D-E
- GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P

Yup, you won't notice a difference with that size of screen.

Hey Renethx,

Would the MSI P55A-G55 mb work for a Silverstone Lascala LC20 ATX caseor would one of the above be better?

Does the Silverstone LC20 have everything you need for remote control use or is more hardware needed?

Usually with these cases that hold mult HDD, do you also have to by the HHD holding racks separate?

Is it ok to start with a few HDD and then add on as you go along or should you have all 8 installed at once?

Does it matter brand or size of HDD to install in a system or is it better to stick with one brand and/or same size of HDD?

lastly, for today, What is the most reliable and cost effective online store you would recommend for picking stuff up from?

here's what I'm looking to getting so far:

Silverstone LC20
mb - pending
iCore 3 530
DDR3-1600 4gigs
Saphrire HD 5670
LG WH10LS30 BR player
corsair VX550W PSU
Adesso wkb-3200ub 103 keyboard
HDD's
Win 7 32-bit
TMT3

Please let me know how this looks so far.

Thanks
post #14209 of 19097
Hi guys.
Quick question. I want to go with the SG07 when it comes out, and would like to use two 2.5" drives in it. My question is, is it feasible to purchase two Seagate Free Agent Go units (640GB) and take the HDD out to use in my system? Seems that for $69 each through New Egg this is better than buying a 250GB unit for $89.
post #14210 of 19097
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Originally Posted by bimmerfreak0 View Post

Posted this on the main forum...any help?

"Well I have decided that I think I want 1 of these motherboards but I haven't found many reviews...why? Because they all have Sata 3, USB 3, DDR3 and the 850SB...

Which should I choose?

GIGABYTE GA-880GMA-UD2H Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128445
$107 shipped

ASUS M4A88TD-M/USB3 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131654
$112 shipped

MSI 880GMA-E45 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130276
$101 shipped (MBJULY coupon used)

I am really distraught as to which one I should purchase...all have good names. Any thoughts?"

Performance-wise there is little difference between them. Feature-wise, GA-880GMA-UD2H stands out over the other (so I chose it in my recommendations ). Of course if you don't use a feature, having it is useless...
post #14211 of 19097
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Originally Posted by bimmerfreak0 View Post

Posted this on the main forum...any help?

"Well I have decided that I think I want 1 of these motherboards but I haven't found many reviews...why? Because they all have Sata 3, USB 3, DDR3 and the 850SB...

Which should I choose?

GIGABYTE GA-880GMA-UD2H Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128445
$107 shipped

ASUS M4A88TD-M/USB3 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131654
$112 shipped

MSI 880GMA-E45 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130276
$101 shipped (MBJULY coupon used)

I am really distraught as to which one I should purchase...all have good names. Any thoughts?"

is this for a HTPC or a media server under WHS?
if under WHS, you can't pick any of the AMD-based chipset as they is no driver for windows 2003
post #14212 of 19097
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Originally Posted by summers View Post

Hi guys.
Quick question. I want to go with the SG07 when it comes out, and would like to use two 2.5" drives in it. My question is, is it feasible to purchase two Seagate Free Agent Go units (640GB) and take the HDD out to use in my system? Seems that for $69 each through New Egg this is better than buying a 250GB unit for $89.

it's always possible. worse case scenario: you'll have to destroy the enclosure to access the disk as it's sometimes difficult to open the case.
post #14213 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Jobuu View Post

Hey Renethx,

Would the MSI P55A-G55 mb work for a Silverstone Lascala LC20 ATX case or would one of the above be better?

Does the Silverstone LC20 have everything you need for remote control use or is more hardware needed?

Usually with these cases that hold mult HDD, do you also have to by the HHD holding racks separate?

Is it ok to start with a few HDD and then add on as you go along or should you have all 8 installed at once?

Does it matter brand or size of HDD to install in a system or is it better to stick with one brand and/or same size of HDD?

lastly, for today, What is the most reliable and cost effective online store you would recommend for picking stuff up from?

here's what I'm looking to getting so far:

Silverstone LC20
mb - pending
iCore 3 530
DDR3-1600 4gigs
Saphrire HD 5670
LG WH10LS30 BR player
corsair VX550W PSU
Adesso wkb-3200ub 103 keyboard
HDD's
Win 7 32-bit
TMT3

Please let me know how this looks so far.

Thanks

Yes, MSI P55A-G55 works with LC20 fine. I would like to see all SATA connectors angled, however (angled connectors are easier to work with inside LC20, in particular if you add fans in the HDD cage).

There are two versions, LC20 (no LCD/VFD/remote) and LC20M (with VFD/remote). If you choose the former, you will have to add an external IR receiver and a remote.

If you want to have the max number of data HDDs (8), you may want to consider a 2.5" HDD for OS and attach it to an empty expansion slot, like this:

- Seagate Momentus 7200.4 ST9500420AS 500GB SATA 3.0Gbps mobile 7200 RPM
- Scythe Slot Rafter SLOT-RAFTER.

You can install OS on a small partition (say 40GB) on a larger HDD, but separating OS from the data drives is sometimes better. You can start with a single drive and add more gradually.

32-bit vs 64-bit OS: The upcoming 3TB HDDs are likely to be supported only by 64-bit OS.

Well, I often use PROVANTAGE (often the cheapest), BUY.com, Newegg.com and Amazon.com (free shipping!). RMA is no problem with these vendors in case of defective/incompatible components.
post #14214 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Yup, if you are thinking of an external drive, there is almost no performance difference between USB 3.0 and eSATA.

I'm not sure about USB3 but USB 2.0 uses a lot of cpu overhead for heavy transfers. This put it at a disadvantage compared to eSata and firewire. Anyone with a USB3 external drive can test this out?
post #14215 of 19097
99 bucks shipped

Its the 240 pin DDR3/1600 recommended above.
post #14216 of 19097
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Originally Posted by hatbrox View Post

it's always possible. worse case scenario: you'll have to destroy the enclosure to access the disk as it's sometimes difficult to open the case.

Thanks Hatbox.

Will try this out. Not worried about the enclosure, I think my new one will make up for it

Thanks again.
post #14217 of 19097
I'm looking to build my first HTPC, and this guide has been a huge help. Money is tight, so I want to build an AMD iGPU system, but I have a couple questions. I'm planning to use this mostly for XBMC, not anything Flash based like Hulu.

The AMD motherboards recommended in the July guide that use integrated video use 4250 GPUs. Will I get better performance from a 4290 motherboard?

I saw an earlier post that mentioned a 4290 board would have trouble with HD audio over HDMI, is that the case?
post #14218 of 19097
Hey, Feegle. You're not building a Fleegle-box, are you?

The AMD iGPU solution will not bitstream the hi-def audio formats. You'd need at least an Intel Core i3 on an H55 based motherboard or an ATI Radeon HD5450 in that HTPC, if you want hi-def audio bitstream support.
post #14219 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Fleegle View Post

I'm looking to build my first HTPC, and this guide has been a huge help. Money is tight, so I want to build an AMD iGPU system, but I have a couple questions. I'm planning to use this mostly for XBMC, not anything Flash based like Hulu.

The AMD motherboards recommended in the July guide that use integrated video use 4250 GPUs. Will I get better performance from a 4290 motherboard?

I saw an earlier post that mentioned a 4290 board would have trouble with HD audio over HDMI, is that the case?

You mentioned you're trying to save money. Does that mean you're planning on using XBMC under Linux? If so, I think you'd have better luck with an NVIDIA GPU.
post #14220 of 19097
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Originally Posted by JAB View Post

Hey, Feegle. You're not building a Fleegle-box, are you?

The AMD iGPU solution will not bitstream the hi-def audio formats. You'd need at least an Intel Core i3 on an H55 based motherboard or an ATI Radeon HD5450 in that HTPC, if you want hi-def audio bitstream support.

Hiya, Jab! No, this will NOT be a Fleeglebox! I'm hoping for no BOOMs!

Will the AMD iGPU solution allow 5.1 Dolby Digital or DTS audio over HDMI? I don't think I really need the HD formats.
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