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post #18511 of 19097
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Originally Posted by boldaslove View Post

I've got these components that I'd like to use for a second room front-end:

Q6600
Asus P5K-E
4GB RAM
8800GT

What I'd like to do is replace the 8800GT with a [preferably] low-profile Nvidia card that has HDMI-out. 2 questions:

1. Would a decent, current low-profile Nvidia card with HDMI-out surpass the 8800GT in gaming capability as well?
2. My motherboard supports current low-profile Nvidia card w/HDMI-out, yes?

Thanks!

Just bumping for any help with this Thanks
post #18512 of 19097
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Originally Posted by boldaslove View Post

Just bumping for any help with this Thanks

Your motherboard should be fine. Just check your case clearance and size of card when you buy.

Second,

You can buy an affordable video card with modern HDMI capabilities and updated/replace your current video card affordable.

How much card you need depends on how heavy you game with it.

A $99 card should be fine for you.

You can even get a more powerful 6870 X2 Radeon for only $129. (but size and power might be an issue, it's a dual power plug to video card direct design and many basic PSU's don't handle this)

There is too many options for cards for us to say much more, or pick one for you without more knowledge about what games you play, how much- and how heavy you plan to game in future.
post #18513 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Your motherboard should be fine. Just check your case clearance and size of card when you buy.

Second,

You can buy an affordable video card with modern HDMI capabilities and updated/replace your current video card affordable.

How much card you need depends on how heavy you game with it.

A $99 card should be fine for you.

You can even get a more powerful 6870 X2 Radeon for only $129. (but size and power might be an issue, it's a dual power plug to video card direct design and many basic PSU's don't handle this)

There is too many options for cards for us to say much more, or pick one for you without more knowledge about what games you play, how much- and how heavy you plan to game in future.

Thanks very much

I will remain with Nvidia as I have for several years (linux driver support, VDPAU, etc. have had a great experience with their cards). HDMI out is the priority, though I am guessing it is rather standard at this time.

I am planning on getting 2 Nvidia cards:

1. For server, so low-profile and HDMI-out priority, but should be capable of some gaming (Team Fortress 2 mainly in Steam).
2. For desktop gaming, again mainly Team Fortress 2 but perhaps some of the newer ones as well (I don't game too much, just things like maybe the newest Battlefield, Skyrim, etc.). Also of course HDMI-out.
post #18514 of 19097
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Originally Posted by boldaslove View Post

Thanks very much

I will remain with Nvidia as I have for several years (linux driver support, VDPAU, etc. have had a great experience with their cards). HDMI out is the priority, though I am guessing it is rather standard at this time.

I am planning on getting 2 Nvidia cards:

1. For server, so low-profile and HDMI-out priority, but should be capable of some gaming (Team Fortress 2 mainly in Steam).
2. For desktop gaming, again mainly Team Fortress 2 but perhaps some of the newer ones as well (I don't game too much, just things like maybe the newest Battlefield, Skyrim, etc.). Also of course HDMI-out.

Do you have a budget?
post #18515 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Do you have a budget?

I would hope I could get the server card for $100 or less, and the desktop card for $200 or less.
post #18516 of 19097
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Originally Posted by boldaslove View Post

I would hope I could get the server card for $100 or less, and the desktop card for $200 or less.

Pretty much any Nvida card for those prices should do what you want
post #18517 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Pretty much any Nvida card for those prices should do what you want

Thanks I'm checking newegg.ca and found a few, this one looks like a top low-profile choice.
post #18518 of 19097
Hi,
I have problems with only half my memory usable on a newly built WHS 2011, build on the specifications in the latest guide for media storage servers.
Its the NORCO 4224 with Asus P8B WS and Xeon CPU. I bought 4 x 4 Gb G-Skill ram, for RAM disk purposes.

In Bios, all 16 Gb ram are recognized, but in Windows "control panel, system", 16 GB are listed, but only 8 GB are listed as usable.
In "resource monitor", 8 Gb are listed as "hardware reserved".
In MSConfig, boot, advanced, CPU and memory limits are unchecked.
I use WHS 2011 (in reality WIN2008 R2) as OS.

I have tried both set of RAm modules on their own (i.e only 2x4Gb installed), and both come online with 8Gb. I have tired both the blue and the black DIMM slots with 2x4 Gb. Both pair of slots work.
When all 4x4 Gb are installed, the problem occurs.
The pairs are matched on serial numbers, but I still tried to switch them, I.e mix the two pairs. No change.

I tried a hdd repartition and reinstallation of WHS 2011, no change (I installed on a Crucial M4 64 Gb by the way, so will need to update firmware :-) )

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Jacob

UPDATE:
Problem "solved"
WHS 2011 has a 8 Gb memory limit... No where did I see this beforehand
My plan was a KISS system with WHS 2011 also running MediaPortal TV server, My Movies database, and Logitech Media Server. I wanted to use 12 of the 16 Gb RAM for a Ramdisk for MP TV timeshifting purposes. With multiple TV clients (2-3 simultaniously), a Ramdisk would remove any stutter caused by HDD bottlenecks on the timeshiftbuffer.

I am now considering installing Win7 64bit instead and hosting WHS 2011 in a WM virtual machine. Win7 would have the MP TV-server and LMS running, while WHS 2011 mainly would do backups, My Movies database (due to the WHS 2011 add-inn), and maybe some web access functions.
Win 7 would keep the SSD, while WHS 2011 would be installed on a WD black scorpion 2.5" 320 Gb HDD (I think).

Does anyone have any experience with such a setup?
Any pitfalls or downsides?

Thanks!!
post #18519 of 19097
I have a question about Technet subscription.

Renethx writes:
"...on several (non-productive) machines. The license is valid indefinitely. You can activate a product with the supplied product key even after your subscription expires, up to 10 times per product key. You can obtain 2 retail keys for each product in Standard..."

Does that mean you can install one product (e.g. Win 7 ultimate) on up to 10 machines legally? Or only up to two machines (with reactivation up to 10 times on each), i.e. one product means one machine?

I would need to install Win 7 Ult 32 bit on all my clients (3-4) and Win 7 Ult 64 bit on the Media server (with WHS 2011 in a virtual machine, see post above. I have the WHS 2011 license). So about 5 machines.
Would that require standard or professional subscription??

And what is a Non-productive machine??
post #18520 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob B View Post

I have a question about Technet subscription.

Renethx writes:
"...on several (non-productive) machines. The license is valid indefinitely. You can activate a product with the supplied product key even after your subscription expires, up to 10 times per product key. You can obtain 2 retail keys for each product in Standard..."

Does that mean you can install one product (e.g. Win 7 ultimate) on up to 10 machines legally? Or only up to two machines (with reactivation up to 10 times on each), i.e. one product means one machine?

I would need to install Win 7 Ult 32 bit on all my clients (3-4) and Win 7 Ult 64 bit on the Media server (with WHS 2011 in a virtual machine, see post above. I have the WHS 2011 license). So about 5 machines.
Would that require standard or professional subscription??

And what is a Non-productive machine??

You get 10 activations so you can install it on 10 different machines. Non-productive means that the machine is used for test purposes. Deploying it as a WHS with clients seem to imply that it's production usage.
post #18521 of 19097
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Originally Posted by gtmtnbiker View Post


You get 10 activations so you can install it on 10 different machines. Non-productive means that the machine is used for test purposes. Deploying it as a WHS with clients seem to imply that it's production usage.

Or in "extended" testing..
post #18522 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Or in "extended" testing..

Exactly! Testing/evaluation of various microsoft software with server(s) and clients would be acceptable and expected behavior.
post #18523 of 19097
Hey all - I'm running into a problem with a new build that I'm hoping I can get some advice on. I've got a slightly modified version of Rene's high end workstation build that includes the following:

Motherboard: Asus P9X79 WS
CPU: Intel I7-3820
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL9Q-16GBZH
CPU Heatsink: Noctua NH-C12P SE14 with the 2011 socket adapter kit
OS Drive: Crucial M4 128GB SSD
Graphics Card: Sapphire 5670
Power Supply: Seasonic X750 Gold
Sound Card: E-MU 1010 (I only need digital out to an external DAC)
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
Additional Hard Drives: 2 1TB and 2 1.5TB SATA drives connected to the motherboard SATA ports
Bluray Drive: LG Bluray / HD-DVD drive

I think that's all the relevant hardware.

I've installed Windows 7, all the MS updates, Microsoft Security Essentials, Firefox 11, Thunderbird, all the drivers needed from the CD that came with the motherboard, the latest version of Catalyst, and updated the BIOS on the motherboard (only after I noticed I was having problems). I've also installed Adobe Acrobat Reader and Flash. I'm pretty sure that's it for what's installed so far.

The problem I'm having is I'm getting BSOD's if I try to watch videos in Firefox (basically anything I've tried on YouTube will throw a BSOD, generally within the first minute or so). I can have the system running all day long just doing simple web browsing (no video) and as soon as I try to watch a video, it BSOD's pretty quickly. Naturally, I'm holding off on installing the rest of my intended software until I figure out what's going on here.

Some of the things I've tried so far:

1) Checked temps with Speedfan and in the BIOS. Temps are fine and the motherboard fan speed controller is keeping the fans running in the 40% ballpark, so it's not detecting any high temps.

2) I ran MemTest86 v4.0a. It gets through 1 round of tests fine and somewhere early in round 2, most of the screen scrambles, making it difficult to see if it's finding any memory errors. It's pretty much identical to what the person shows in the first post in this thread. So this test is inconclusive at best, though it seems pretty clear that ~something~ is wrong.

3) Disabled overclocking (at least I think I did...) in the BIOS. What moron at Asus thought it was a good idea to enable overclocking by default??? My memory is also being auto detected at 1600 speed (this was the case before I changed anything in the BIOS settings). This didn't help as the BSOD's still occur.

4) Went into MSConfig.exe and set the system to use 1 CPU. After rebooting, I was able to play a 6+ minute video on YouTube that had consistently been giving me BSOD's in <2 minutes. I then changed MSConfig back to the default of using all CPU's and the problem came right back.

5) Disabled Hyperthreading and Virtualization in the BIOS. This did not fix the problem.

On my list of things to try:

1) Pull out 3 of the 4 memory modules and run my YouTube test. Try this test with all 4 modules, but only 1 installed at a time. If I'm lucky, I'll get a BSOD only with some of the modules and others will work fine which should confirm that the memory is bad.

2) Swap in a different video card. All I have that's convenient is a 3870, but at least it will be something I can fairly easily swap out. The 5670 is known to be good as I pulled it out of another system (that I upgraded to a 6670), but it could certainly have compatibility issues with the new motherboard.

3) Pull out the E-MU sound card (and uninstall the software and drivers).

Any other ideas other than the obvious of RMA-ing the memory, CPU, and/or motherboard?

I don't have another compatible CPU to swap out or I'd give that a try too.
post #18524 of 19097
Few simple questions, I've just been out of the loop for a bit:

1. If I am intending to use an Nvidia card, does it make any sense get an H67 motherboard vs. a P67?

2. What amount of RAM, if any, would be cause for heat issues? I'm thinking of at least 16GB for a workstation/desktop, possibly more.
post #18525 of 19097
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Hey all - I'm running into a problem with a new build that I'm hoping I can get some advice on. I've got a slightly modified version of Rene's high end workstation build that includes the following:

Motherboard: Asus P9X79 WS
CPU: Intel I7-3820
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL9Q-16GBZH
CPU Heatsink: Noctua NH-C12P SE14 with the 2011 socket adapter kit
OS Drive: Crucial M4 128GB SSD
Graphics Card: Sapphire 5670
Power Supply: Seasonic X750 Gold
Sound Card: E-MU 1010 (I only need digital out to an external DAC)
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
Additional Hard Drives: 2 1TB and 2 1.5TB SATA drives connected to the motherboard SATA ports
Bluray Drive: LG Bluray / HD-DVD drive

I think that's all the relevant hardware.

I've installed Windows 7, all the MS updates, Microsoft Security Essentials, Firefox 11, Thunderbird, all the drivers needed from the CD that came with the motherboard, the latest version of Catalyst, and updated the BIOS on the motherboard (only after I noticed I was having problems). I've also installed Adobe Acrobat Reader and Flash. I'm pretty sure that's it for what's installed so far.

The problem I'm having is I'm getting BSOD's if I try to watch videos in Firefox (basically anything I've tried on YouTube will throw a BSOD, generally within the first minute or so). I can have the system running all day long just doing simple web browsing (no video) and as soon as I try to watch a video, it BSOD's pretty quickly. Naturally, I'm holding off on installing the rest of my intended software until I figure out what's going on here.

Some of the things I've tried so far:

1) Checked temps with Speedfan and in the BIOS. Temps are fine and the motherboard fan speed controller is keeping the fans running in the 40% ballpark, so it's not detecting any high temps.

2) I ran MemTest86 v4.0a. It gets through 1 round of tests fine and somewhere early in round 2, most of the screen scrambles, making it difficult to see if it's finding any memory errors. It's pretty much identical to what the person shows in the first post in this thread. So this test is inconclusive at best, though it seems pretty clear that ~something~ is wrong.

3) Disabled overclocking (at least I think I did...) in the BIOS. What moron at Asus thought it was a good idea to enable overclocking by default??? My memory is also being auto detected at 1600 speed (this was the case before I changed anything in the BIOS settings). This didn't help as the BSOD's still occur.

4) Went into MSConfig.exe and set the system to use 1 CPU. After rebooting, I was able to play a 6+ minute video on YouTube that had consistently been giving me BSOD's in <2 minutes. I then changed MSConfig back to the default of using all CPU's and the problem came right back.

5) Disabled Hyperthreading and Virtualization in the BIOS. This did not fix the problem.

I've run some more tests:

- I set the BIOS to use just 1 of the CPU cores. After doing this, I got the same results as test #4.
- With the BIOS still set for just 1 core, Memtest-86 v4.0 would no longer start it's test suite - it brings up the initial screen and locks up. However, Memtest-86 v3.5b ran through a few rounds with no errors or issues. I've re-enabled all 4 cores and I now have Memtest-86 v3.5b running again with all 4 cores enabled (my understanding is that this version won't use extra cores for the test) and it's part way through pass #2 with no problems so far (no errors and no scrambled screen). I'm probably going to let it run all night and see what happens.

Based on enabling / disabling CPU cores having an effect on the problems, I've decided to RMA the CPU and should have a replacement CPU from Amazon early next week. It looks like the memory is ok and swapping out the CPU is a LOT easier than swapping out the motherboard. If the replacement CPU exhibits the same issues, I'll have to figure out what the next step is.
post #18526 of 19097
Hi Renethx (and others ;-) )
Which card should I get to supplement a AOC-SASLP-MV8 in a Asus P8B WS media storage build in a Norco 4224 case, running WHS 2011 (September 2011 guide) and planned Flexraid:
Intel SASUC8I (LSI 1068E chip) or IBM ServeRAID M1015? They cost almost the same in Denmark (175 $ + tax)

I need to use >2 tb HDD in the future, not sure if the Supermicro will be stable for that.

Thanks!
post #18527 of 19097
Hi Renethx
I am having problems with the AOC-SASLP-MV8 card in my Server II build from the August 2011 buyers guide (donated).

I use the Asus P8B WS MB and the Intel Xeon E3-1225 CPU. I have installed the WHS 2011 OS on a Crucial M4 64 Gb and connected to the INTEL controller on the MB. SATA is setup in bios as AHCI.

I had an older AOC-SASLP-MV8 with the 3.1.0.15N bios, from my former WHS v1 server. Drives often fell off line.

I bought an xtra AOC-SASLP-MV8 (1.gen), which came with 3.1.0.21 bios.

The two cards will not boot to windows (WHS 2011) when installed together and drives are added. After the Marvell bios screen, I get black screen of death (after a few flashes of Asus bios screen). With all drives removed, they boot ok. The boot sequence reads 3.1.0.15N bios when they are installed together.
I have the new one in first slot, a PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (single at x16 or dual at x8/x8 mode) and the old one in the next, which is a PCIe 2.0 x 16 (x8 mode).

The newer one with 3.1.0.21 bios will boot fine with 8 drives attached - if by it self (in first PCIe slot).
I have installed the windows 64 bit driver 4.0.0.1200, as recommeded in this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21939878

Did anybody confirm that the 4.0.0.1200 driver works with the 1. gen card, i.e. AOC-SASLP-MV8 (rather than AOC-SAS2LP-MV8)? Any downsides/stability issues - since it is meant for another chipset...

Do you need to update the bios as well, or can 4.0.0.1200 driver work with 3.1.0.21 bios?

I have also tried the 3.1.0.22 win 64 bit driver, it made no difference.

Must both AOC-SASLP-MV8 cards run on the same BIOS to function together?

If so, should I downgrade the BIOS to 3.1.0.15N (on new card) or upgrade to 3.1.0.21 on old card (or 4.0.0.1800 on both)...?
Googling, there seems to be quite a few booting problems with the combination of AHCI and bios 3.1.0.21 and 4.0.0.1800 due to bios size almost doubles in size, especially problems on Asus MB. These problems went away when users downgraded to 3.1.0.15N bios. (see http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1397855&page=29)
I do not know whether this will be an issue on the Asus P8B WS...?
After I installed the old card as card #2, and removed the driver to try 3.1.0.22 driver, the two cards came up different in device manager: one as a raid card and the other as standard sata control card (like last post in link)

Then there is the issue of drives dropping off line. This happened once in a while on WHS v1. It seems to be a common issue on this card. Some relate it to WD Green drives (drop off when finding bad sectors. See above link)

Should I simply give in and buy 3x IBM ServeRAID M1015 on ebay for 69 $ a piece...? Will that give me fewer issues and more stability? I want a card that allows for hard drive spindown, there seems to be an issue with the IBM M1015 here? Other card options (w/ drive spindown, s.m.a.r.t., and >3tb drives !!)!

Thanks!
post #18528 of 19097
Hi, Now Ivy Bridge has been launched I'm thinking of moving to the I5 3570 which is the lowest one of the range but till has the HD4000. This means a new Motherboard.

As I will use this system to be my 24/7 media server and HTPC at the same time, size is no problem.

Are there already recommendations on the MB or is it better to wait?
post #18529 of 19097
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I've run some more tests:

- I set the BIOS to use just 1 of the CPU cores. After doing this, I got the same results as test #4.
- With the BIOS still set for just 1 core, Memtest-86 v4.0 would no longer start it's test suite - it brings up the initial screen and locks up. However, Memtest-86 v3.5b ran through a few rounds with no errors or issues. I've re-enabled all 4 cores and I now have Memtest-86 v3.5b running again with all 4 cores enabled (my understanding is that this version won't use extra cores for the test) and it's part way through pass #2 with no problems so far (no errors and no scrambled screen). I'm probably going to let it run all night and see what happens.

Based on enabling / disabling CPU cores having an effect on the problems, I've decided to RMA the CPU and should have a replacement CPU from Amazon early next week. It looks like the memory is ok and swapping out the CPU is a LOT easier than swapping out the motherboard. If the replacement CPU exhibits the same issues, I'll have to figure out what the next step is.

I think I may have figured out the source of the problem with my system. I had to remove the CPU to send it back to Amazon. When I took the heatsink off, the thermal paste had not spread onto the entire surface of the CPU. I had followed the instructions that came with the heatsink (which said to put a ~5mm blob on the center of the CPU) and hadn't used Arctic Silver like I normally do - I just used the paste that came with the heatsink this time. This seems like a very likely cause of the problems I was seeing, though I would have thought that I should have seen CPU temperature issues being reported.

I wasn't thrilled with how the Noctua heatsink mounted, how the fan attached to the top, and that the fan was a 3 pin instead of 4 pin, so I also ordered the genuine Intel Thermal Solution Air Socket 2011 heatsink figuring I'd give it a try. If it works out well, it's a LOT less expensive than the Noctua which I can return.

The replacement parts are supposed to arrive today, so it shouldn't be long until I (hopefully) have the system up and running.
post #18530 of 19097
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I think I may have figured out the source of the problem with my system. I had to remove the CPU to send it back to Amazon. When I took the heatsink off, the thermal paste had not spread onto the entire surface of the CPU. I had followed the instructions that came with the heatsink (which said to put a ~5mm blob on the center of the CPU) and hadn't used Arctic Silver like I normally do - I just used the paste that came with the heatsink this time. This seems like a very likely cause of the problems I was seeing, though I would have thought that I should have seen CPU temperature issues being reported.

I wasn't thrilled with how the Noctua heatsink mounted, how the fan attached to the top, and that the fan was a 3 pin instead of 4 pin, so I also ordered the genuine Intel Thermal Solution Air Socket 2011 heatsink figuring I'd give it a try. If it works out well, it's a LOT less expensive than the Noctua which I can return.

The replacement parts are supposed to arrive today, so it shouldn't be long until I (hopefully) have the system up and running.

If the thermal paste was not doing it's job the first thing you would have noticed would be high temp issues when cpu was not idling. Sorry but I don't think this was the souce of your BSOD.
post #18531 of 19097
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I think I may have figured out the source of the problem with my system. I had to remove the CPU to send it back to Amazon. When I took the heatsink off, the thermal paste had not spread onto the entire surface of the CPU. I had followed the instructions that came with the heatsink (which said to put a ~5mm blob on the center of the CPU) and hadn't used Arctic Silver like I normally do - I just used the paste that came with the heatsink this time. This seems like a very likely cause of the problems I was seeing, though I would have thought that I should have seen CPU temperature issues being reported.

I wasn't thrilled with how the Noctua heatsink mounted, how the fan attached to the top, and that the fan was a 3 pin instead of 4 pin, so I also ordered the genuine Intel Thermal Solution Air Socket 2011 heatsink figuring I'd give it a try. If it works out well, it's a LOT less expensive than the Noctua which I can return.

The replacement parts are supposed to arrive today, so it shouldn't be long until I (hopefully) have the system up and running.

Did you test YouTube with IE or google Chrome as your browser?
post #18532 of 19097
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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post

If the thermal paste was not doing it's job the first thing you would have noticed would be high temp issues when cpu was not idling. Sorry but I don't think this was the souce of your BSOD.

Unfortunately, you're correct. I just installed the new CPU and got the exact same BSOD.
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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post

Did you test YouTube with IE or google Chrome as your browser?

I did not, but will try that next. The video plays fine on the old PC that this one is to replace, but the old PC is running an older version of Firefox and presumably an older version of Adobe Flash. I really don't want to install Chrome, but I obviously have IE available to test it with. If it turns out to be a Firefox and/or Adobe Flash issue, I can hopefully find a workable solution for that - I'll report back with my findings.
post #18533 of 19097
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I did not, but will try that next. The video plays fine on the old PC that this one is to replace, but the old PC is running an older version of Firefox and presumably an older version of Adobe Flash. I really don't want to install Chrome, but I obviously have IE available to test it with. If it turns out to be a Firefox and/or Adobe Flash issue, I can hopefully find a workable solution for that - I'll report back with my findings.

Well, that was quick. Playing the same YouTube video with IE as my browser, the PC totally froze up part way through (no BSOD, but I sometimes have had total freezes using Firefox too and I suspect if I play it again via IE I'll get a BSOD at some point) . Ugh, this is the first build in a LONG time that I've run into issues with.
post #18534 of 19097
I just uninstalled Catalyst 12-3 and switched to 11-6. When I rebooted after installing 11-6, I got the same BSOD I've been getting during system startup before I even had a chance to open a web browser. It looks like I didn't mention it before, but the BSOD I almost always get is:

"A clock interrupt was not received from a secondary processor within the allocated time interval"

I guess my next steps are to remove the E-MU software / drivers, pull the E-MU soundcard out, and probably pull most of the memory out and see what happens. If the system becomes stable, I can add things back 1 at a time and (hopefully) figure out what's causing the problem.

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate it.

Has anyone heard from Renethx recently? It seems like he hasn't posted here in a while. EDIT: I just checked and he hasn't posted on AVS since 3/29. Hopefully he's just been away on business or travel and everything's ok.
post #18535 of 19097
Rather than pull out the memory I would just test it with memtest
post #18536 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Rather than pull out the memory I would just test it with memtest

I already did that. It ran through 6 full passes with no errors this past Friday night. At this point, I'm trying to get the system to the bare minimum to see if I can get it to run stable.

I pulled out 3 of the 4 memory sticks and it still BSOD's (no real surprise). I could obviously put the other 3 sticks in, 1 at a time, to rule out an individual faulty stick, but the Memtest results pretty much make this seem like a futile exercise.

I have uninstalled the software and drivers for the E-MU sound card and have pulled the card out of the system. I ran through my test YouTube video and it played all the way through with no issues.

I then reinstalled the rest of the memory sticks and again played my test YouTube video all the way through with no issues. I currently have it playing again (edit: it has played all the way through several times now), but it obviously looks like something to do with the sound card is the culprit. I suppose moving it to a different PCIe slot could resolve the problem, but at this point I think I'd rather go with a different sound card as my confidence in this one obviously is shaken.

When I installed the new CPU yesterday, the motherboard detected the change and reset the BIOS settings. I redid things like disabling the 2nd LAN port and onboard audio, but had forgotten to turn off any of the default overclocking stuff (or Turbo mode), so it appears as though the stock CPU config in the BIOS is probably fine.

Assuming things remain stable, is it safe to override the default memory setting of 1600 to 2133 (which is what my memory actually is)? Any idea why it detects it as 1600?
post #18537 of 19097
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I already did that. It ran through 6 full passes with no errors this past Friday night. At this point, I'm trying to get the system to the bare minimum to see if I can get it to run stable.

I pulled out 3 of the 4 memory sticks and it still BSOD's (no real surprise). I could obviously put the other 3 sticks in, 1 at a time, to rule out an individual faulty stick, but the Memtest results pretty much make this seem like a futile exercise.

I have uninstalled the software and drivers for the E-MU sound card and have pulled the card out of the system. I ran through my test YouTube video and it played all the way through with no issues.

I then reinstalled the rest of the memory sticks and again played my test YouTube video all the way through with no issues. I currently have it playing again (edit: it has played all the way through several times now), but it obviously looks like something to do with the sound card is the culprit. I suppose moving it to a different PCIe slot could resolve the problem, but at this point I think I'd rather go with a different sound card as my confidence in this one obviously is shaken.

When I installed the new CPU yesterday, the motherboard detected the change and reset the BIOS settings. I redid things like disabling the 2nd LAN port and onboard audio, but had forgotten to turn off any of the default overclocking stuff (or Turbo mode), so it appears as though the stock CPU config in the BIOS is probably fine.

Assuming things remain stable, is it safe to override the default memory setting of 1600 to 2133 (which is what my memory actually is)? Any idea why it detects it as 1600?

As long as your mobo RAM slots are capable of running at 2133 speeds you should be fine making this change. Can you use the hdmi audio from your ati card? Or is there some reason for using the separate audio card? Nevermind, I see you are using the digital out to an external DAC. If you really need to use the DAC then I suppose you will need to get another sound card as the current one seems to have issues/driver conflicts. Or I guess you could get a usb DAC or possibly a usb to spdif device.
post #18538 of 19097
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I already did that. It ran through 6 full passes with no errors this past Friday night. At this point, I'm trying to get the system to the bare minimum to see if I can get it to run stable.

I pulled out 3 of the 4 memory sticks and it still BSOD's (no real surprise). I could obviously put the other 3 sticks in, 1 at a time, to rule out an individual faulty stick, but the Memtest results pretty much make this seem like a futile exercise.

I have uninstalled the software and drivers for the E-MU sound card and have pulled the card out of the system. I ran through my test YouTube video and it played all the way through with no issues.

I then reinstalled the rest of the memory sticks and again played my test YouTube video all the way through with no issues. I currently have it playing again (edit: it has played all the way through several times now), but it obviously looks like something to do with the sound card is the culprit. I suppose moving it to a different PCIe slot could resolve the problem, but at this point I think I'd rather go with a different sound card as my confidence in this one obviously is shaken.

When I installed the new CPU yesterday, the motherboard detected the change and reset the BIOS settings. I redid things like disabling the 2nd LAN port and onboard audio, but had forgotten to turn off any of the default overclocking stuff (or Turbo mode), so it appears as though the stock CPU config in the BIOS is probably fine.

Assuming things remain stable, is it safe to override the default memory setting of 1600 to 2133 (which is what my memory actually is)? Any idea why it detects it as 1600?

What board and CPU are you using? What brand DDR3?
post #18539 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

What board and CPU are you using? What brand DDR3?

I saw above.

Yes. On that Asus board you can run the higher speed memory no problem.

Go ahead and turn it back up to full speed.

Your problem is elsewhere. I would totally remove any driver or software from your soundcard- and pull it out.

Run it for a while and test with everything else set up optimal. If it's good then you know the soundcard was the issue.

I would then reinstall it in a different slot, and completely re-install all the drives and software per the intructions.

Give it a second shot. Something funny might have just happened the first go around.

If a problem- RMA the card or exchange for something else.

Where in MA you live? East or West?
post #18540 of 19097
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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post

As long as your mobo RAM slots are capable of running at 2133 speeds you should be fine making this change.

Yeah, the motherboard definitely supports 2133 (and faster).

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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post

Can you use the hdmi audio from your ati card? Or is there some reason for using the separate audio card?

No, I can't use HDMI audio in this system. This isn't being used in my home theater system, it's the my main PC in my home office that gets used for web browsing, video editing, photo editing, listening to music, software development, etc. The audio goes into a Benchmark DAC1 (that I'm currently trying out) and then into an analog only audio system (NAD M3 integrated amp and Focal 1027i speakers). I could probably just use digital out on the integrated motherboard audio to the external DAC, but would prefer to use a separate sound card. I've ordered an Asus XONAR ESSENCE STX from Amazon and should have it tomorrow. If the analog audio on the XONAR is good enough, the Benchmark DAC1 might go back - we'll see.
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