or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › Home Theater Computers › Guide to Building a HTPC, Workstation and Server
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Guide to Building a HTPC, Workstation and Server - Page 628

post #18811 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post


I would look at an Asrock Z77 Motherboard + 3570k i5 CPU and 8GB of DDR3 1600mhz speed or higher
If your near a Microcenter you can get the combo deal and get the motherboard for $95-$50=45 + 169 for the CPU. Total price $225.

RE: Microcenter deal - where did you see this. I checked the website, but didn't see anything on CPU MOBO combos. I do live near one so could go check in store, but usually they list their specials on web as well. TNX
post #18812 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by davelr View Post

RE: Microcenter deal - where did you see this. I checked the website, but didn't see anything on CPU MOBO combos. I do live near one so could go check in store, but usually they list their specials on web as well. TNX

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/9d3aadee#/9d3aadee/33

It's only $40 off the motherboard these days, so the whole deal is $235+tax
post #18813 of 19097
So the link takes you to page 32 even though it says 33???

Just click the arrow to page 33

Also, it looks like you can grab an MSI z77 board for $25 bringing the combo to $195.

Their pricing in the store and on their catalog is always suspect. Just have the salesperson who gets the processor box ring up some of the motherboards you are interested in.

For example, when I was in the store I noticed none of their z77 offerings were itx. The only itx mobo they offered was h77. When they scanned the processor and that h77 itx board (Asrock) the discount was taken. Their z77 pro4-m used to ring up at $105 and would effectively be $55 after the discount. It looks like their ad says it is now ringing up at $150 and would be $110 after the discount. Not as good a deal, maybe go for the MSI board if you don't mind ATX
post #18814 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by davelr View Post

RE: Microcenter deal - where did you see this. I checked the website, but didn't see anything on CPU MOBO combos. I do live near one so could go check in store, but usually they list their specials on web as well. TNX


Yup in store only. $169 for the 3570k i5 CPU and you get $40 off a motherboard if you buy them together. Great deal.
post #18815 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Yup in store only. $169 for the 3570k i5 CPU and you get $40 off a motherboard if you buy them together. Great deal.

If you add the right combo to your shopping cart on MicroCenter.com it'll show the discount. Then you can order it for 18-min pickup.
post #18816 of 19097
it takes me longer than 18 minutes to hit microcenter though... do they have a 1.5 hour pick up option biggrin.gif

It's not worth my time usually unless I am near the area anyways. I've only made a purchase at microcenter once. You shop there most times?
post #18817 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

it takes me longer than 18 minutes to hit microcenter though... do they have a 1.5 hour pick up option biggrin.gif
It's not worth my time usually unless I am near the area anyways. I've only made a purchase at microcenter once. You shop there most times?

Since we are fairly close to one I do buy there when I can. Prices don't usually "beat" Newegg, but if I want to go down and touch something it's nice. They do seem to be changing what they carry and a lot of the things I'm going to get for a build they don't seem to have.
post #18818 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Is GD08 available in your country? Then get it, the best ATX HTPC/gaming HTPC case ever.

renethx:

As I said before, it's not available in my country. I have looked for the best way to get it, but it's almost impossible. If I try to import it, it'll cost US$200 (including shipping) + importing taxes. And I have another issue: I was checking the place where it'll be, it's about the size of the HTPC, but what worries me are the cables. Case has 425mm(deep), the place where it'll be has 440mm(deep), so I think it's too tight for the cable managent.

So I have two questions:
- I need a smaller HTPC, which one should I get? I would prefer a ATX. But if it's not possible, a Micro or Mini is ok (although the limitations).
- As I'll have less storage space, I'll need an external storage source with my HDDs. What you recommend me?

Best regards,
mrfury.
post #18819 of 19097
ATX or micro ATX are often best values. The have good features and good compatibility and good prices. There's not a quality difference just a size difference. If you want a bit smaller case get mATX
post #18820 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

ATX or micro ATX are often best values. The have good features and good compatibility and good prices. There's not a quality difference just a size difference. If you want a bit smaller case get mATX

The micro will probably fit my needs (space), but as for storage, I'll certainly need an external source. But I don't really know what to get. I was looking around, and found these. Are they worth getting? I don't really know this works, but I can see it stores up to 4 HDDs. What about the raid? I just know the basics (definitions) of what it is, but don't know if it's beneficial to use it in my case (just storage for playback via HTPC).
post #18821 of 19097
Those are not bad. I just think it's noob to have some ugly box wired and hanging off the back on a port...

I would put it internal- Or build a cheap network attached server for storage.

The reality of those is you have a bulky AC to DC power cord block- that is two parts- wtih either eSATA or USB cord also running to your HTPC and it's a mess to find a neat place for it to all go.

In contrast- with a network attached server you can put it anywhere you want and the HTPC can have as much storage as you need with ability to expand in future as your needs grow.

All you need is a CAT 5e or Cat6 cable. Much better solution IMO.
post #18822 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Those are not bad. I just think it's noob to have some ugly box wired and hanging off the back on a port...
I would put it internal- Or build a cheap network attached server for storage.
The reality of those is you have a bulky AC to DC power cord block- that is two parts- wtih either eSATA or USB cord also running to your HTPC and it's a mess to find a neat place for it to all go.
In contrast- with a network attached server you can put it anywhere you want and the HTPC can have as much storage as you need with ability to expand in future as your needs grow.
All you need is a CAT 5e or Cat6 cable. Much better solution IMO.

I can easily hide those RAID Enclousers in a cupboard (hope this explains what I mean) near the actual place where the HTPC is going to be. As for the power, I don't know to proceed.
How would the internal solution be like? By network attached server, you mean a NAS? I have been for that solution too, but it seems expensive. I wouldn't even know how to build one. If you could enlighten me about this, I would be very happy.
post #18823 of 19097
Well you can buy NAS boxes that are just plug and play. They will server media over network as opposed to be hooked up on USB. This allows you to place them some other place that is convenient.

Do you have an old PC laying around you don't really use that can run Windows 7 ? You can make any old PC a server pretty easy.

If you had to build a "real" stand alone server from scratch your looking at :



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135288 $29 Motherboard
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G540BOX CPU $41
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148541 $13 DDR3 4GB

And either this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811148062 Case + PSU $32
or
This combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353007 $16.99 CASE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817170012 $16 PSU


Your basically looking at a minimum of $150 in hardware. Windows Home Server operating costs $40. So you can make a server with brand new parts on a modern socket CPU for under $200.

That's the same price as your storage box in your link- except that is a full PC that can run windows 7 or Windows home server. Your doing to need to buy HDD's for either case.

You can add probably 6 hard drives in those cheap cases. You could upgrade the case and PSU down the road if you got more serious about it. Add a SATA card and keep adding drives..


Or coarse that's entry level stuff. Just giving you an option in your price range.

If your not budget limited for about $100 more you can get a higher quality motherboard, PSU and nicer case. Then you could have a really nice little server.
post #18824 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrfury View Post

I can easily hide those RAID Enclousers in a cupboard (hope this explains what I mean) near the actual place where the HTPC is going to be. As for the power, I don't know to proceed.
How would the internal solution be like? By network attached server, you mean a NAS? I have been for that solution too, but it seems expensive. I wouldn't even know how to build one. If you could enlighten me about this, I would be very happy.

Otherwise just hide it. lol. Keep in mind it gets warm and non ventilated might lower the life of it.

And last- YES NAS is network attached storage. Cool because you share it with multiple devices on the network. Cool because it does not have to hang of the back of your PC in an inconvenient location and rat nest of wires.
Everything that is good is expensive. That's how the world works.

You can't just throw a 3TB HDD inside your HTPC ?
post #18825 of 19097
About ready to drop cable and go exclusively with streaming products, and eventually add a HDTV antenna.
I've had a list saved for a few months so I just want to double check with the guys in the loop to make sure I'm buying the right equipment. I know this stuff can change dramatically in 6 months.

My needs are simple:
- HD capable, but 3D not needed (no supported TV).
- Must be user friendly, remote shortcuts to open/close different programs acceptable.
- Stream from Netflix, Blockbuster, Amazon, Hulu.
- Play music from local and network sources.
- Play video from local and network sources.
- Connect to a Dennon 2113CI receiver.
- As silent and cool as possible.
- I have cat5e wired through the house.

This is my TV, it was a special Black Friday 2011 edition.
This is my parts list I've had compiled for a while. Amazon.pdf 193k .pdf file If the other link doesn't work.
Case - Silverstone Tek GD08B Aluminum Extended ATX / SSI-EEB / SSI-CEB HTPC Computer Case Cases - Black
MoBo - ASRock DDR3 1333 Intel - LGA 1155 Motherboards (H77M)
CPU - Intel Core i3-3225 Dual-Core Processor 3.3 GHz 3 MB Cache LGA 1155 - BX80637i33225
RAM - G.skill ddr3 1600 4gb 2x2gb RAM 9-9-9-24
PSU - Antec EarthWatts EA-380D Green 380 Watt 80 PLUS BRONZE Power Supply
HD - Intel 330 Series Solid-State Drive 60 GB SATA 6 Gb/s 2.5-Inch - SSDSC2CT060A3K5
Remote - Logitech Harmony Touch Universal Remote with Color Touchscreen - Black (915-000198)
BD Drive - Lite On IHES112-04 Black 12X SATA LightScribe Blu-ray Combo BD/DVDRW Drive Offered

For OS, I'm thinking W7. I have Ultimate on my office PC. I'm not sure of specific feature difference between Home, Pro, and Ultimate, or if I need any of the extras to stream online & networked video. I have Media Browser running on my office PC. I am comfortable with it, although I haven't researched into it's add-on's in the last year so anything newer I am not aware of. I have attempted to use XBMC in the last year. Never could get it working, even with Assassin's guides. I'd like to use the software that friends and family can navigate w/o needing a tutorial. If XBMC offers that, I'm open to figuring out what I was doing wrong. If either MB or XMBC offers Netflix, Blockbuster, Hulu, and Amazon all in a one package, that's a HUGE plus.
post #18826 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by dippert View Post

...

For OS, I'm thinking W7. I have Ultimate on my office PC. I'm not sure of specific feature difference between Home, Pro, and Ultimate, or if I need any of the extras to stream online & networked video. I have Media Browser running on my office PC. I am comfortable with it, although I haven't researched into it's add-on's in the last year so anything newer I am not aware of. I have attempted to use XBMC in the last year. Never could get it working, even with Assassin's guides. I'd like to use the software that friends and family can navigate w/o needing a tutorial. If XBMC offers that, I'm open to figuring out what I was doing wrong. If either MB or XMBC offers Netflix, Blockbuster, Hulu, and Amazon all in a one package, that's a HUGE plus.

Sounds very similar to a build I'm thinking of. You'll need storage if you're going to do any DVR or ripping of course. For OS I'd suggest Home Premium vs. the more expensive versions. I don't think the higher levels offer much of anything for an HTPC. The main thing you might miss is Remote Desktop, but you can use Ultra VNC for remote control, etc. if needed. All of our machines are Home Premium and I've installed it on all of them for remoting in for maintenance. Works great. You may want to consider some type of wireless keyboard for text entry for things like Netflix search fields, etc. I'm going to try the Lenovo N5902 since it's small and we don't want a large keyboard laying around the living room.
post #18827 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by davelr View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by dippert View Post

...

For OS, I'm thinking W7. I have Ultimate on my office PC. I'm not sure of specific feature difference between Home, Pro, and Ultimate, or if I need any of the extras to stream online & networked video. I have Media Browser running on my office PC. I am comfortable with it, although I haven't researched into it's add-on's in the last year so anything newer I am not aware of. I have attempted to use XBMC in the last year. Never could get it working, even with Assassin's guides. I'd like to use the software that friends and family can navigate w/o needing a tutorial. If XBMC offers that, I'm open to figuring out what I was doing wrong. If either MB or XMBC offers Netflix, Blockbuster, Hulu, and Amazon all in a one package, that's a HUGE plus.

Sounds very similar to a build I'm thinking of. You'll need storage if you're going to do any DVR or ripping of course. For OS I'd suggest Home Premium vs. the more expensive versions. I don't think the higher levels offer much of anything for an HTPC. The main thing you might miss is Remote Desktop, but you can use Ultra VNC for remote control, etc. if needed. All of our machines are Home Premium and I've installed it on all of them for remoting in for maintenance. Works great. You may want to consider some type of wireless keyboard for text entry for things like Netflix search fields, etc. I'm going to try the Lenovo N5902 since it's small and we don't want a large keyboard laying around the living room.
Re: Storage. I plan on building a dedicated media server in the next year or so. As far as that goes, I'm debating finding a copy of Home Sever 2011 before they are gone, and flexraid to help prevent massive data loss. For $50 it can't hurt to try I guess. Until then, my PC in the office functions as the server. I have 4TB of space about 75% full of A/V content. Once they're full, I'm going to move the server up a couple notches on the list. I can't fit anymore drives in my current case.

Remote Desktop is the only thing I know Home lacks. I don't really care if I have it or not. The HTPC will be easily accessible for doing "computer stuff".

A wireless keyboard and mouse are on the list, but I'm going to wait and see how much it's needed before I decide on a mini or full size, or a track pad combo.
post #18828 of 19097
Thanks Renethx for the post AutoPlaying DVD ISOs using MPC-HC inside WMC., post 18771. I have been whining about not being able to play iso files with media browser for a while and this method resolves the problem because media browser is so tightly integrated with 7MC I can just use media center. I think this post should be a sticky so it is easier to find.
post #18829 of 19097
Thread Starter 
I remember you tried the BD ISO version but didn't succeed. Recently I revisited my post and found a mistake (a wrong GUID was used somewhere in Step 2). I think it's correct now.

BTW in BD ISO, LAV Splitter finds the correct main title in most of the cases, but sometimes it selects a wrong title. acejh1987 built a batch file as a wayaround.

Batch file Help/Input needed! for 100% BD ISO/Folder Main Movie Playback (XBMC/MPC+LAV/AnyDVD)

(I haven't tested it myself yet.)
post #18830 of 19097
Thanks Renethx,

I was having trouble figuring out media center studio and figuring out the registry changes. I could not get bd iso's playing out of media browser and I gave up. It never crossed my mind that the directions were off. Thanks for the update. I will take another run at it.

I prefer to stick with media browser because I frequently change between live TV, recorded TV and movies and the 7MC, media browser interface works well for this.
post #18831 of 19097
renethx,

What is you current builder guide? last one was year ago.
post #18832 of 19097
Thread Starter 
I am still working on the new guide. I am going to finish it during my new year's vacation (although nobody may trust my words any longer smile.gif).
post #18833 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

I am still working on the new guide. I am going to finish it during my new year's vacation (although nobody may trust my words any longer smile.gif).
As long as you're working on its all good JD21Z.gif
post #18834 of 19097
Joining the crew today. Though I may not have enough sata cables on hand, therefore may be delayed until Wed
post #18835 of 19097
HELP!!! Can't boot up computer!

I built a HTPC this weekend using Assassin HTPCs Blog. I am using an ASRock A75M motherboard, and an A6-3650 CPU. I installed Windows 7 from a USB drive. I downloaded all of the Windows updates. I then downloaded the driver updates from the ASRock site, then downloaded the driver updates from AMD. I installed all driver updates and everything was working perfect. I even shut down the computer and restarted a few times.

A couple hours later I used Assassin's guide to setting up your BIOS. Once I saved and exited the BIOS, it wouldn't boot and gave me the black screen saying it couldn't boot up. I tried several fixes including the Startup Repair but nothing has worked. I then reset the BIOS back to the factory setting and am STILL not able to boot up. Does anyone have any idea what is wrong?

EDIT: I am using only one hard drive in my build and it is a Crucial M4. When I changed the BIOS settings, I changed SATA Mode from IDE to ACHI per Assassan's recommendation. However, he made this change BEFORE he installed Windows. Not after like I did. After Googling this, it sounds like this could be the problem, even though I set the BIOS back to factory settings. Do you guys think this is the issue? If so, is there anyway to fix it or do I need to do a fresh install of Windows 7 again?

Please let me know if you need me to provide additional details or pictures (can take pictures of screen with cell phone)

Thank you in advance.

John
Edited by Bocce3 - 1/5/13 at 9:57pm
post #18836 of 19097
Never mind everyone. After an hour of trying to change the registry via the command line, I ended up just doing a full install of Windows 7 again. I guess I learned my lesson
post #18837 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx View Post

I am still working on the new guide. I am going to finish it during my new year's vacation (although nobody may trust my words any longer smile.gif).

I didn't see any recent update in first post of the thread, is it still the same arrangement, paypal and time limited download link to a pdf? Doing a 4 issue assuming that it is the same.

I'm a reluctant rebuilder, system ran "ok" for nearly 3 years, then beeped and rebooted on Jan/1/13 and got flaky, rebooted and flakier antivirus would not run, browser still worked, rebooted a couple more times with Chkdsk running once and not liking a bunch of regions on my no errors reported raid mirror, now boot manager not found with 2TB sitting in the raid mirror.

I'm buying a pair of new WD Red for the raid mirror, a Samsung 840 for the Win7, relegating the old Seagates to offline backup duty, and generally considering a completely new system from the MSI 780G, but keeping my AMD 905e.
Edited by mikeford - 1/9/13 at 1:01pm
post #18838 of 19097
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeford View Post

I didn't see any recent update in first post of the thread, is it still the same arrangement, paypal and time limited download link to a pdf? Doing a 4 issue assuming that it is the same.

I'm a reluctant rebuilder, system ran "ok" for nearly 3 years, then beeped and rebooted on Jan/1/13 and got flaky, rebooted and flakier antivirus would not run, browser still worked, rebooted a couple more times with Chkdsk running once and not liking a bunch of regions on my no errors reported raid mirror, now boot manager not found with 2TB sitting in the raid mirror.

I'm buying a pair of new WD Red for the raid mirror, a Samsung 840 for the Win7, relegating the old Seagates to offline backup duty, and generally considering a completely new system from the MSI 780G, but keeping my AMD 905e.

You should wait until renethx finishes the new guide before sending payment, he seems to have been very busy perhaps with work or just life and has had very little time for these guides for quite some time now.
post #18839 of 19097
I'm in for $10, drop in the HTPC bucket, besides at the current rate 4 issues might cover me until old age. wink.gif
post #18840 of 19097
Just getting the parts ready to build my first HTPC. Will be used for just playing movies from HD or NAS, and blu ray from the drive. Possibly netflix too.

CPU - i3-3220
Motherboard - gigabyte H77M-D3H
4GB ddr3-1600
WD 2TB HD - wd20earx
Kingston V200 SSD
Asus BC-12B1ST blu ray drive
hec 7K09BBA30FNRX case


Mostly everything I have is ripped at 1080p. I also want my AVR to do the sound processing.

good system? limiting factors? upgrade anything?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Home Theater Computers
AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › Home Theater Computers › Guide to Building a HTPC, Workstation and Server