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post #19021 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Geminii S is not tall enough for RipjawsX, but not too wide to block the innermost memory slot (hopefully, depending on you mb). F3-1600C9D-16GAR or F3-2400C11D-16GAB (2 x 8GB, more memory is better for your purposes) is a better choice.

Intel ATX high-end system should be good, with this graphic card (2GB video RAM). I am not sure how much improvement you would get, however. SSD, HDD, PSU and case can be reused, of course. Geminii S (older version) requires RR-ACC-1156-GP retention kit to install to LGA1150 socket, however.



Gigabyte Motherboard GA-790XTA-UD4 spec says max 16gb of memory, can I use this kit F3-1600C9D-16GAR you recommend if I remove existing memory? Or am I limited to max 4gb per slot? Thanks again!
post #19022 of 19097
Thread Starter 
A good point. I was thinking of using it with a new system. In specifications Athlon II X4 supports DDR3 8GB module x 2. But GIGABYTE memory QVL lists only up to 4GB module (well, perhaps there was no 8GB module at the time of test). So 4GB x 2 may be a safer choice if you use it with your current system.
post #19023 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

A good point. I was thinking of using it with a new system. In specifications Athlon II X4 supports DDR3 8GB module x 2. But GIGABYTE memory QVL lists only up to 4GB module (well, perhaps there was no 8GB module at the time of test). So 4GB x 2 may be a safer choice if you use it with your current system.

Is this the right one then?

G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231546
post #19024 of 19097
Thread Starter 
Yup.
post #19025 of 19097
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Originally Posted by jjcirafesi View Post

Gigabyte Motherboard GA-790XTA-UD4 spec says max 16gb of memory, can I use this kit F3-1600C9D-16GAR you recommend if I remove existing memory? Or am I limited to max 4gb per slot? Thanks again!
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

A good point. I was thinking of using it with a new system. In specifications Athlon II X4 supports DDR3 8GB module x 2. But GIGABYTE memory QVL lists only up to 4GB module (well, perhaps there was no 8GB module at the time of test). So 4GB x 2 may be a safer choice if you use it with your current system.
Generally, I've always found that the board will support whatever the CPU can support, even if it's not listed in the official literature. If you can get your hands on a couple of 8GB sticks to test, you will probably find they work fine in your Gigabyte board.

It's very common for the largest size sticks to be unavailable when the Motherboard is designed - so they can only test with smaller sizes. But once the larger sticks come onto the market, they usually work just fine.
Note that you need to be running the latest BIOS for this to hold true - I've seen many boards in the past that won't work with certain memory sticks until the BIOS is updated !
post #19026 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Nomgle View Post


Generally, I've always found that the board will support whatever the CPU can support, even if it's not listed in the official literature. If you can get your hands on a couple of 8GB sticks to test, you will probably find they work fine in your Gigabyte board.

It's very common for the largest size sticks to be unavailable when the Motherboard is designed - so they can only test with smaller sizes. But once the larger sticks come onto the market, they usually work just fine.
Note that you need to be running the latest BIOS for this to hold true - I've seen many boards in the past that won't work with certain memory sticks until the BIOS is updated !

That's a really helpful suggestion, thank you as well!
post #19027 of 19097
I wanting to build a new HTPC that will do the following...

Stream video (Netflix, Home network storage, internet)
Play Bluray, DVD, and CD disks
Record over the air TV (no cable)
Play music files

I'll be using Windows 7 Media Center and Cyberlink Power DVD. No video card...I'll just use the on-die graphics. I already have an Antec 300 case and 2 sticks of 2 gig GSkill DDR3 1333 memory. Here is a list of parts I would like to use...

ASRock H87M Pro4 LGA 1150 Intel H87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core i3-4130T Haswell 2.9GHz LGA 1150 35W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4400

CORSAIR CX430M 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250 Dual TV Tuner w/ MPEG-2 Encoder PCI-E x1

GMYLE Windows 7 Vista XP Media Center MCE PC Remote Control and Infrared Receiver for Home, Premium and Ultimate Edition

Still looking at storage options. So far, how does it look? Any changes recommended?
post #19028 of 19097
Thread Starter 
A good selection. I suggest i3-4130 instead of i3-4130T. At idle and video playback, they consume the same power. i3-4130 is more powerful for CPU-intensive tasks (only when you will see the difference of TDP, 54W vs 35W).
post #19029 of 19097
Thread Starter 
I just saw this news:

Gigabyte Unveils BRIX with Iris Pro 5200 Graphics



TDP 65W, price ~$500. Iris Pro 5200 is not so much helpful in video playback, however.
post #19030 of 19097
hi,
I have your last version of your guide but it is a bit outdated now. I am looking at building a file server. I am after hot swappable HDD slots. I currently have 14tb worth of HDD space (around 6 drives). I guess motherboard and case are my question. Any recommendations? Cheers smile.gif
post #19031 of 19097
Thread Starter 
AMD: A4-4000 / A8-6600K + GA-F2A85X-D3H / FM2-A85XA-G65 + 1 or 2 AOC-SAS2LP-MV8
Intel: Pentium G3220 / Core i3-4130 + B85 Pro4 / Z87 Extreme4 + 1 or 2 AOC-SAS2LP-MV8

Cases with built-in how-swap bays are: RSV-L4411 (12 bays), RPC-4216 (16 bays), RPC-4220 (20 bays), RPC-4224 (24 bays). Of course you can attach a hot-swap 5-in-3 cage (e.g. iStarUSA BPN-DE350SS) to any case with three consecutive 5.25" bays.
post #19032 of 19097
Hey thanks for the quick reply.
I currently have an antec 1200 so the 5 in 3 option might be the way to go.
Only question I had is do the norcro cases support 4tb HDDs? Can you confirm that the istar doesn't? Finally can you recommend any 5in3 hot swap cages that do support 4tb drives?
Cheers again,
Matt
post #19033 of 19097
Thread Starter 
All hardware components I mentioned support 4TB HDD.
post #19034 of 19097
Thanks smile.gif
post #19035 of 19097
Rene,
did you catch any infos about new AMD platform cards please ? Hope for a single slot 7970.. :-)
Thanks
post #19036 of 19097
Thread Starter 
What information do you want? Volcanic Islands = Radeon R-200 Series:



(Source) TechPowerUp says, however,

- R7 250 = Cape Verde PRX = HD 7750 (a current model)
- R7 240 = Cape Verde (LE?) = HD 7730 (a current model)

HD 7970 consumes 200W or more at video playback / gaming, so does R9 290X (only 10W reduction of TDP: 260W --> 250W) or R9 280X (this is a reworked 7970, with a better TDP of 190W). So a single slot card is impossible. Or go with a liquid cooling. smile.gif
Edited by renethx - 9/19/13 at 6:00pm
post #19037 of 19097

Hello renethx;

 

First off, I highly value and appreciate your HTPC guidance and expertise and a Big Thank You for sharing your wisdom with us over all those years! You are a real asset to the HT community!

 

You have been recommending in your posts the HD7770 as the preferred video card for a more demanding media playback (madVR, etc.). However, I got the impression that the HD7770 is about to be discontinued. Is this correct?

- Is the HD7770 still the card to get?

- If not, what should I be looking for instead?

- If I should get a HD7770, is there a particular model that you would recommend? I am looking for ‘quiet’ and have always been a fan of HIS’ iceQ line, as these cards push the hot air out of the case, in addition to being (almost) silent. Unfortunately, there is no HD7770 iceQ model. No gaming.

 

Thanks!   

______

Axel

post #19038 of 19097
What does it matter if it's to be discontinued?
post #19039 of 19097
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Originally Posted by A9X-308 View Post

What does it matter if it's to be discontinued?

 

That there would likely be a successor soon, which might be a better choice. I am not in a hurry to upgrade and could wait a bit longer.

____

Axel

post #19040 of 19097
Thread Starter 
AMD Radeon R7 260 is the successor to Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition. The code name of both are identical, Cape Verde XT, and hardware-wise both are identical.
post #19041 of 19097
Rene,

I built your "recommended" HTPC from the last guide. It has worked pretty well. A week ago TV video started cutting out after 5-7 minutes of playback - live or recorded. I lose all video and sound instantly and the receiver reverts to 480i graphics as if the HTPC is not on. However the computer is till working. I have the EVGA GT 430 card. The computer provides video reliably on my extenders so I suspect the video card rather than software or other components, though I really don't have in depth expertise here. I have a second GT 430 in a second computer and plan to swap them out and test them tomorrow. If the swap solves the problem I will need a new video card. What is the current recommended video card for HTPC use, HDMI, no gaming, comparable but possibly improved successor to the GT 430? Any other thoughts on what to test or updates to seek?
post #19042 of 19097
Thread Starter 
GT 630 DDR3 is the successor to GT 430. Actually they are almost identical, GT 630 is a little bit higher clocked, though. Lately there are lots of low effective memory frequency models (DDR3-1066/1333). You'd better choose DDR3-1600 or higher. If you want to spend more, GT 640 comes next. But I recommend Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition, instead.

GT 430: 269 GFLOPS, 22.4 GB/s (1400MHz memory frequency)
GT 640: 691 GFLOPS, 28.5GB/s
HD 7770: 1280 GLOPS, 72.0 GB/s, +$10
post #19043 of 19097
Renethx,
Would the 7770 work in my system (as the 7770 is a PCIE 3.0 x16 slot) - its a ASRock H67M-ITX which has a PCI-E 2.0 x16 slot? If not, what would you recommend for best SD (recorded TV) and HD (Blu-ray) playback with madVR?
Thanks
Edited by CountryBumkin - 10/6/13 at 4:10am
post #19044 of 19097
7790 might be better (not a big price difference)

You can get one for $100 if you catch a sale. The Asus 1GB seems to get recommended often for HTPC because it's quiet under video playback.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121727

Also,

This looks like a decent option for $85

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150670
post #19045 of 19097
I edited my question to indicate that my MB is a PCIE 2.0 x 16 slot. So my basic question is will a 3.0 video card work in a 2.0 slot?
Thanks
post #19046 of 19097
Thinking of an HTPC Refit!

Hi all, I'm getting a new TV (replacing an old 1080i set with an up to date plasma), and while I'm at it I'm thinking to refit my HTPC. I built it with help from Rene and the denizens of this thread in 2009 with only minor updates (SSD, GPU) since then.
Seeing as there's no current guide I figured I'd see if there is any reasonable price update that makes sense. What I've got now is:

Windows 7 x32 Home Premium installed on a Crucial 64 GB SSD
Motherboard: Gigabyte MA78GPM-UD2H (Micro ATX)
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD5670
CPU: Athlon X2 7750 2.7 GHz Kuma
I forget which 4GB worth of memory I got; it would have been typical for the time in 2009.
2 Hard drives: WD Caviar (1.0 and 1.5 GB)
Pair of networked Silicondust OTA receivers (no cable)

New TV will be connected via HDMI directly to the GPU; audio will continue to be to an Onkyo TXSR603 receiver (via optical TOSlink).

I'm wondering if it would make sense to swap the motherboard / CPU / memory taking me up to 8 GB and installing win7 X64 this time around.

Not counting issues caused by my way out of date TV, I've only had a few playback issues... sometimes Media Browser stutters when it starts a show (relates to it tracking how far I've progressed in the media). Also, when using MPC-HC, I've had it do weird freezes which apparently are caused by some combinations of AMD processors and ATI graphics. Only happens once in a while these days, and I only use MPC-HC when viewing content with subtitles.

If I had say $250 that I didn't mind spending, what would be the best performance bang for the buck sticking in the same case and power supply? I don't game at all, by the way... just watch MKV rips from bluray and DVDs (rips done on a separate computer), record / watch OTA content, and Netflix (though, with the new TV, I will likely use it for Netflix directly).

I would appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks in advance!

Marc
post #19047 of 19097
No takers at all? Just like looking for a good mobo/processor/memory set for $250-ish. Micro ATX.
post #19048 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

No takers at all? Just like looking for a good mobo/processor/memory set for $250-ish. Micro ATX.

Your question might get more attention with a new thread just for your build.
post #19049 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

Thinking of an HTPC Refit!

Hi all, I'm getting a new TV (replacing an old 1080i set with an up to date plasma), and while I'm at it I'm thinking to refit my HTPC. I built it with help from Rene and the denizens of this thread in 2009 with only minor updates (SSD, GPU) since then.
Seeing as there's no current guide I figured I'd see if there is any reasonable price update that makes sense. What I've got now is:

Windows 7 x32 Home Premium installed on a Crucial 64 GB SSD
Motherboard: Gigabyte MA78GPM-UD2H (Micro ATX)
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD5670
CPU: Athlon X2 7750 2.7 GHz Kuma
I forget which 4GB worth of memory I got; it would have been typical for the time in 2009.
2 Hard drives: WD Caviar (1.0 and 1.5 GB)
Pair of networked Silicondust OTA receivers (no cable)

New TV will be connected via HDMI directly to the GPU; audio will continue to be to an Onkyo TXSR603 receiver (via optical TOSlink).

I'm wondering if it would make sense to swap the motherboard / CPU / memory taking me up to 8 GB and installing win7 X64 this time around.

Not counting issues caused by my way out of date TV, I've only had a few playback issues... sometimes Media Browser stutters when it starts a show (relates to it tracking how far I've progressed in the media). Also, when using MPC-HC, I've had it do weird freezes which apparently are caused by some combinations of AMD processors and ATI graphics. Only happens once in a while these days, and I only use MPC-HC when viewing content with subtitles.

If I had say $250 that I didn't mind spending, what would be the best performance bang for the buck sticking in the same case and power supply? I don't game at all, by the way... just watch MKV rips from bluray and DVDs (rips done on a separate computer), record / watch OTA content, and Netflix (though, with the new TV, I will likely use it for Netflix directly).

I would appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks in advance!

Marc

Personally,
unless you need more speed/capabilities, I would move the boot drive to a 120 GB SSD (~$75) and put in a couple of 3 TB HDs at around $100 each for storage. With Blu Ray, you can never have too much storage.
post #19050 of 19097
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Originally Posted by CountryBumkin View Post

I edited my question to indicate that my MB is a PCIE 2.0 x 16 slot. So my basic question is will a 3.0 video card work in a 2.0 slot?
Thanks

Yes, no problem at 2.0 speed.
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