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post #2341 of 19097
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Originally Posted by xj-boonie View Post

Thanks for the response about the cooler and IGP.

Hopefully last question: I currently use an optical S/PDIF to my receiver. It doesn't look like either the A-N78HD or GA-M78SM-S2H have optical S/PDIF, and GA-M78SM-S2H looks like it has coaxial S/PDIF but newegg list it as optical. If I were to go with A-N78HD, what would be the best way to get the sound to my receiver (which does accept 5.1 analog sound input, I believe).

GA-M78SM-S2H has only a coaxial S/PDIF out in the rear panel. Doesn't your receiver have coaxial in? S/PDIF is a preferable way to onboard analog. To get S/PDIF (coaxial) from A-N78HD, read Build a Coaxial S/PDIF Bracket Yourself.

If you are lucky, you may be able to find Gigabyte Motherboard Coax SPDIF In & out Audio Cable at eBay.



Or you may use a Coaxial to Optical Digital Audio Converter.
post #2342 of 19097
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Originally Posted by desynk View Post

Okay, so I just ordered a nice 1080p capable tv, and I'm obviously trying to build a HTPC for it. I would like something that will not stutter ever, I've been doing a lot of research and googling and it's a bit confusing, but it seems I can cheap out on the processor as long as I get an ATi 2400/2600 series?

Here's what I'm about to pull the trigger on:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=9937868

Basically I'm trying to get it cheap with low power consumption. I've never built any AMD machines but I'd be willing to if it meant it would be cheaper. If anyone with more experience with HTPCs could please comment on this build I'd really appreciate the input.

Quoting this for the next page in case anyone missed it. The tv has shipped and I really need some advice here haha. I need an HTPC so I can still game while my girlfriend watches tv.
post #2343 of 19097
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Originally Posted by desynk View Post

Okay, so I just ordered a nice 1080p capable tv, and I'm obviously trying to build a HTPC for it. I would like something that will not stutter ever, I've been doing a lot of research and googling and it's a bit confusing, but it seems I can cheap out on the processor as long as I get an ATi 2400/2600 series?

Here's what I'm about to pull the trigger on:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...Number=9937868

Basically I'm trying to get it cheap with low power consumption. I've never built any AMD machines but I'd be willing to if it meant it would be cheaper. If anyone with more experience with HTPCs could please comment on this build I'd really appreciate the input.

Another choice is

- GA-MA78GM-S2H
- Athon X2 4850e
- Power consumption: 56W/86W/102W @idle/BD(PowerDVD)/BD(CoreAVC)
- HD HQV: 25/100

Compare it with

- GA-G31M-S2L
- Pentium DC E2200
- HD 2600 Pro
- Power consumption: ~80W/100W/110W @idle/BD(PowerDVD)/BD(CoreAVC)
- HD HQV: 90/100

I prefer the latter system because it performs much better in deinterlacing and 3D graphics with only +$10.
post #2344 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Another choice is

- GA-MA78GM-S2H
- Athon X2 4850e
- Power consumption: 56W/86W/102W @idle/BD(PowerDVD)/BD(CoreAVC)
- HD HQV: 25/100

Compare it with

- GA-G31M-S2L
- Pentium DC E2200
- HD 2600 Pro
- Power consumption: ~80W/100W/110W @idle/BD(PowerDVD)/BD(CoreAVC)
- HD HQV: 90/100

I prefer the latter system because it performs much better in deinterlacing and 3D graphics with only +$10.

Thank you, lower power consumption would be a plus.. What is "HD HQV"? Also, wouldn't that AMD setup need some kind of graphics card, or is the processor alone enough to handle h.264? What kind of ram is good to pair up with that processor?
post #2345 of 19097
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Originally Posted by desynk View Post

Thank you, lower power consumption would be a plus.. What is "HD HQV"? Also, wouldn't that AMD setup need some kind of graphics card, or is the processor alone enough to handle h.264? What kind of ram is good to pair up with that processor?

HD HQV is a benchmark measuring deinterlacing (and denoise). GA-MA78GM-S2H has IGP good enough for H.264 (if hardware acceleration works). DDR2-800 2 x 1GB is a good choice.
post #2346 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

HD HQV is a benchmark measuring deinterlacing (and denoise). GA-MA78GM-S2H has IGP good enough for H.264 (if hardware acceleration works). DDR2-800 2 x 1GB is a good choice.

You say "if hardware acceleration works." Is there a case where it does or doesn't work?
post #2347 of 19097
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Originally Posted by xj-boonie View Post

You say "if hardware acceleration works." Is there a case where it does or doesn't work?

As long as you play a BD disc (or a ripped ISO) with PowerDVD/TMT, HA should work. Otherwise HA may not work (e.g. playing a BD disc with CoreAVC and playing some mkv files).
post #2348 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

As long as you play a BD disc (or a ripped ISO) with PowerDVD/TMT, HA should work. Otherwise HA may not work (e.g. playing a BD disc with CoreAVC and playing some mkv files).

Thanks, I understand. BD= Blu-ray Disc, right? Also, I'm guessing that the 8200 chipset will have no problem playing OTH HDTV, correct?

Thanks again!
Mike
post #2349 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

If you are lucky, you may be able to find Gigabyte Motherboard Coax SPDIF In & out Audio Cable at eBay.


That cable is awesome, optical and coax. Is there something comparable for the A-N78HD?

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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

As long as you play a BD disc (or a ripped ISO) with PowerDVD/TMT, HA should work. Otherwise HA may not work (e.g. playing a BD disc with CoreAVC and playing some mkv files).

Do you think HA will work with the 4850e to play h.264 files from the HD-PVR Hauppauge is coming out with?
post #2350 of 19097
I just got an ASUS EAH3650. The specs on it says it needs either a PCI16 or AGP slot.

This implies to me that maybe I could install an AGP card in a PCIe slot. Is this the case?

I have a card that turns out is bad that I planned to use in another system, and I have an AGP ATI card that I could use if it will work in the PCIe slot.

Yea or Nay?
post #2351 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Another choice is

- GA-MA78GM-S2H
- Athon X2 4850e
- Power consumption: 56W/86W/102W @idle/BD(PowerDVD)/BD(CoreAVC)
- HD HQV: 25/100

Compare it with

- GA-G31M-S2L
- Pentium DC E2200
- HD 2600 Pro
- Power consumption: ~80W/100W/110W @idle/BD(PowerDVD)/BD(CoreAVC)
- HD HQV: 90/100

I prefer the latter system because it performs much better in deinterlacing and 3D graphics with only +$10.

Renethx,
Are those HD HQV scores your own or are they pulled from other sources like anandtech? Any idea or news on how the 4850 performs on those tests? Folks on this thread also might appreciate an additional comparison with the 780G and Phenom processor.

Where would this forum be without you? Up a creek I reckon.

Thanks,

Alex
post #2352 of 19097
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by xj-boonie View Post

Thanks, I understand. BD= Blu-ray Disc, right? Also, I'm guessing that the 8200 chipset will have no problem playing OTH HDTV, correct?

Yes. Yes (at least in my system).
post #2353 of 19097
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Originally Posted by risk1994 View Post

That cable is awesome, optical and coax. Is there something comparable for the A-N78HD?



Do you think HA will work with the 4850e to play h.264 files from the HD-PVR Hauppauge is coming out with?

ASUS and MSI also manufacture similar coaxial+optical brackets (usually hard to find) and they work well with any motherboard of any brand. Well, it's natural because the S/PDIF header of every mb must comply with the S/PDIF electrical specifications ... you may need to change pin assignement, however.

I don't know about HD-PVR, but HA should work.
post #2354 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Ewingr View Post

I could install an AGP card in a PCIe slot. Is this the case?

No, PCIe and AGP are incompatible physically and electrically.
post #2355 of 19097
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Originally Posted by redtyler1 View Post

Renethx,
Are those HD HQV scores your own or are they pulled from other sources like anandtech? Any idea or news on how the 4850 performs on those tests? Folks on this thread also might appreciate an additional comparison with the 780G and Phenom processor.

I did HD HQV test myself. I am pretty sure Radeon HD 4850 gives the perfect 100 points in this test. I will get my HD 4850 soon and report it.
post #2356 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

I did HD HQV test myself. I am pretty sure Radeon HD 4850 gives the perfect 100 points in this test. I will get my HD 4850 soon and report it.

Depends on the player. TMT and PDVD look pretty bad, as usual, with the jaggies tests, and frankly all the tests.

The HD HQV testing I find is entirely self-serving. Running real-life video rarely seems to show the problems that show up in their test videos. It's like their test videos have been designed to create problems that the HQV VP chips fix.

Anyway, I ran the BD version of the HWV tests through TMT and PDVD, and most of the tests were complete or partial fail. Of course it's all subjective in how you see the images, on what size screen, and using what TV. FWIW, I tried sending 30i from the PC and 60p from the PC, with similar results.
post #2357 of 19097
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AbMagFab

Do you have any other Radeon HD 3650 or higher card or GeForce 8600 GT or higher card? If they show bad scores in your test, something is very wrong in your test setup or you don't understand the criteria. The difference between mid-range to high-end cards and low-end cards such as GeForce 8400, 8500, HD 3450 and IGPs (G35, 8200, 780G; 780G+Phenom is an exception) is quite evident. There is no ambiguity in Video/Film Resolution Loss Test (flickering or not; in other words, 0 or the full score). Jaggies is not so clear, but still difference is clear. Denoise is pretty hard, however. Player-dependent, but difference is clear with both TMT and PDVD.
post #2358 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

AbMagFab

Do you have any other Radeon HD 3650 or higher card or GeForce 8600 GT or higher card? If they show bad scores in your test, something is wrong in your test setup. The difference between mid-range to high-end cards and low-end cards such as GeForce 8400, 8500, HD 3450 and most IGP (G35, 8200, 780G) is quite evident. There is no ambiguity in Video/Film Resolution Loss Test (flickering or not). Jaggies is not so clear, but still difference is clear. Denoise is pretty hard, however.

I've got a GF9600GTS on my workstation, but that's on an LCD (not on my TV). I can run it there when I get home.

But even through the PS3 it was pretty bad. If I turned on the (generally annoying) HQV REON in the Onkyo 905, the jaggies got slightly better, but that's about it. The panning of the stadium always is pulsing, and the back-and-forth of the test pattern pulses slightly (not full b/w pulsing, but some of the lines).

The slightly moving purple flower always looks good, but frankly I can't see much difference between the 0/5/10 score on the right still version anyway.

As for the rest of the scoring, like with the boat (and purple flower), I can't tell when I'm supposed to see and score.

But I know the jaggies always look, well, jaggie, on the spinning circles/bars, and they look just as bad on the 4850 as with anything else.

This is on a Sony VW60 on a 110" screen, all HDMI.
post #2359 of 19097
I'm going to be building the Mid-Range mATX HTPC that is listed on the first page, with 2 changes: 1TB HD and 4850 (not sure which brand) video card.

Is the PS from the Fusion 430 sufficient to power the 4850? I believe I read the 4850 needs a 450w PS and the Fusion has a 430w PS...
post #2360 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

No, PCIe and AGP are incompatible physically and electrically.

I thought so. Interesting that teh ASUS card will install in either.

Thanks for the prompt reply.
post #2361 of 19097
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Originally Posted by gunbunnysoulja View Post

Is the PS from the Fusion 430 sufficient to power the 4850? I believe I read the 4850 needs a 450w PS and the Fusion has a 430w PS...

Yes. I am sure the total system power consumption will never exceed 350W even if you use two HDDs and three expansion cards, and all the components are loaded to the max simultaneously (that never happens).
post #2362 of 19097
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Yes. I am sure the total system power consumption will never exceed 350W even if you use two HDDs and three expansion cards, and all the components are loaded to the max simultaneously (that never happens).

Great! Thanks yet again!
post #2363 of 19097
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Originally Posted by Ewingr View Post

Well, PDVD8 appears out for me. It only works with ISOs. I have mine ripped to directories.

Is that true? My entire collection is in VIDEO_TS directory format.
post #2364 of 19097
Not sure about DVDs, but since they removed folder-support from BRs I would be very surprised if there is support for DVDs.
post #2365 of 19097
hello guys i'm building up a htpc.
not sure if all these part will work together.. any help will be appeciated
i have most of these parts except the mother board,case,memory,capture card and video card. yes its an over kill but i was building another pc but change my mind and decided to build a media center

1. Intel Core 2 Quad York field 2.66ghz 775 95w 12m cache
2. 160gb sata for operation system hard drive (120gb x 1)
3. seagate 1tb 7200 rpm sata II hard drive (1tb x 3)
4. M.S. Vista Ultimate for system builders 32 bit
5. Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
6. Zelman cpu cooler
7. LG Super Multi light scribe GGW-H2OL Blue-ray drive
8. Motherboard? *
9. Memory? *
10. Video card? *
11. Enermax modu82+emd625a wt 625w atx12v ver.2.3
12. Logitech Dinovo edge wireless Bluetooth keyboard
13. case? *
14. Raid Card sata II
15. power dvd,any dvd hd
post #2366 of 19097
i need hdmi output(video and audio)
don't need 7.1
only speakers i would be using are tv built in speakers for know.
not sure on the motherboard i see that all are waiting for the g45
video card? not sure
post #2367 of 19097
Anyone know a mATX tower case that can hold more than 14 3.5" drives? I'd like as many as 17 or 18 bays if possible (only need 3.5" bays).

I can only find 14-bay ones on NewEgg (from ThermalTake).

Any suggestions?
post #2368 of 19097
While every one is thinking about cases...does anyone know of a full atx desktop case that is less than 17 inches wide? The space I have will only accomodate a case between 15 to 16 inches wide. It is going to be tucked away in an equipment closet, so ugly is OK.

thanks,
Murray
post #2369 of 19097
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

Anyone know a mATX tower case that can hold more than 14 3.5" drives? I'd like as many as 17 or 18 bays if possible (only need 3.5" bays).

This is a popular one (15 HDDs). You may use Centurion 590 instead of Lian-Li to save money. Another choice is

- Antec Twelve Hundred (12 5.25" bays)

with either

- COOLER MASTER STB-3T4-E3-GP 4-in-3 Device Module Hardisk Cage x 4 (16 HDDs)

or

- Athena Power BP-SATA3051B 3 x 5.25" Bays to 5 x 3.5" HD (SATA) Backplane x 4 (20 HDDs)
post #2370 of 19097
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Originally Posted by xchap2001 View Post

hello guys i'm building up a htpc.
not sure if all these part will work together.. any help will be appeciated
i have most of these parts except the mother board,case,memory,capture card and video card. yes its an over kill but i was building another pc but change my mind and decided to build a media center

1. Intel Core 2 Quad York field 2.66ghz 775 95w 12m cache
2. 160gb sata for operation system hard drive (120gb x 1)
3. seagate 1tb 7200 rpm sata II hard drive (1tb x 3)
4. M.S. Vista Ultimate for system builders 32 bit
5. Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
6. Zelman cpu cooler
7. LG Super Multi light scribe GGW-H2OL Blue-ray drive
8. Motherboard? *
9. Memory? *
10. Video card? *
11. Enermax modu82+emd625a wt 625w atx12v ver.2.3
12. Logitech Dinovo edge wireless Bluetooth keyboard
13. case? *
14. Raid Card sata II
15. power dvd,any dvd hd

This type of question is hard to answer without knowing your budget and the functionality you want. mATX or ATX (in other words, how many exapnsion slots do you want)? Onboard video is enough or do you need better deinterlacing? Need 7.1 LPCM HDMI audio or is S/PDIF is enough (with or without DTS Connect/Dolby Digital Live)? What's the purpose of the RAID card in the intended system?
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