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post #3301 of 18892
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Originally Posted by tebba View Post

My OS drive is always the 1th priority. When i turn on my computer and go straight into the setup and look in the Boot Device Priority list, the OS drive doesn't show up. Because in that list there are only 12HDD's to pick from. so im missing 4. But as soon as i remove 4hhds, and then turn on my computer, the OS disk is there.

I don't understand why the OS drive must be among the 4 HDDs that disappear? What happens if the OS drive is in the 6th position or the 12th position? Did you check which 4 drives disappear when you add 4 HDDs, the first 4 drives or the last 4 drives in the priority list? Or are the 4 drives to disappear randomly picked up?
post #3302 of 18892
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

What i don't understand is why the OS drive must be among the 4 HDDs that disappear? What happens if the OS drive is in the 6th position or the 12th position? Did you check which 4 drives disappear when you add 4 HDDs, the first 4 drives or the last 4 drives in the priority list? Or are the 4 drives to disappear randomly picked up?

I dont know, it cant be randomly, since the boot disk disappears every single time. Might it be because that one is the only IDE disk i have? But the thing you can do is to disable all of the 12 devices except the first one, where you put the OS disk. So it bascially says, 'boot with this one, of dont boot at all'
post #3303 of 18892
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IDE ... that could be the cause. I would buy a SATA drive for OS instead of changing the mb.
post #3304 of 18892
So before i can figure that problem out i need to buy a HTPC (since im buying the new server OS hdd from the same company as some of the parts, less shipping).

I was wondering if there's any replacement cases for the Silverstone Crown one. I have to pay $800 for it :s Any cheaper ones that will still fit the whole build?
post #3305 of 18892
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Originally Posted by tebba View Post

So before i can figure that problem out i need to buy a HTPC (since im buying the new server OS hdd from the same company as some of the parts, less shipping).

I was wondering if there's any replacement cases for the Silverstone Crown one. I have to pay $800 for it :s Any cheaper ones that will still fit the whole build?

Antec Fusion Remote Max is the only other ATX HTPC case that supports a 10 inch-long card. But if you install HD 4870, you can use only 2 HDDs in Fusion Max.

Oops, I forgot another case: SilverStone LC17 (remove one of the two hard drive cages).

Another finding. HD 4870 is not that long, only (?) 9.45", shorter than the mb width 9.6". (But you still need the space for PCI-E power connector.) So you can use many cases. For example, SilverStone LC20M, GD01, Zalman HD160 Plus. Perhaps you don't have to remove a drive cage in LC17.
post #3306 of 18892
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

No report so far.

i have an onkyo 606 and will give preliminary results monday ninght (hopefully). Using 4670 and 9150e.
post #3307 of 18892
Is it this one: SilverStone LASCALA LC17 - Desktop - ATX ?

Im guessing that the CPU Cooler won't fit in there?
post #3308 of 18892
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Originally Posted by tebba View Post

Is it this one: SilverStone LASCALA LC17 - Desktop - ATX ?

Im guessing that the CPU Cooler won't fit in there?

Yes.

CW02 is exceptionally tall. You have to choose a shorter cooler such as ZEROtherm BTF90 if you go with LC17/LC20M/GD01/HD160 Plus/Fusion Remote Max.
post #3309 of 18892
I'll see how it goes, im gonna try to get it cheaper somewhere else, but it's quite expensive to ship it overseas. And no one sells the black one here.
post #3310 of 18892
Renethx, I know multiple graphics cards can be combined to drive a big monitor, especially for gaming. But is is possible to add multiple cards to support multiple independent 1080p video + 7.1 audio streams for a movie server? If so, do you have a recommendation for good cards that can do this... and any configuration issues that should be addressed? (Mobo, chipset, CPU, etc.) Could 3 or 4 cards be used in the same system? Gaming is not important, and assume this is your current mid/high-end ATX system.

Thanks again!
post #3311 of 18892
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Originally Posted by eToolGuy View Post

is is possible to add multiple cards to support multiple independent 1080p video + 7.1 audio streams for a movie server?

No. You can choose only one audio device at a time.
post #3312 of 18892
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

renethx posted a comparison here. The branding might not be Core 2 Duo but it uses the same microarchitecture. Iirc, the only differences are no VT (likely won't need), no SSE4 (currently not really being used in a lot of applications, and from some developers -x264,vdub- doesn't really improve things by much) and smaller cache (which at 2MB is still plenty).

Boy, that comparison makes me wish I stuck with the original Q6600 in my plan! Thanks for that, though. I feel better going to the E5200 now.
post #3313 of 18892
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Originally Posted by vanylapep View Post

Hi Satan,

Thanks for the reply, however, i did try all of that, going to the Intel Options, and also i did the Fn+F5 to switch. I tried both to extend and clone my laptop monitor, nothing change anything. The TV never detects any connection. Now, could it be the cable?

Try dropping your resolution as mentioned, but I highly doubt it's the cable. Find another one (borrow from another computer nearby?) and make sure that's not the issue.
post #3314 of 18892
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Software problem?

do you mean : drivers (audio, tuners and video)?
post #3315 of 18892
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Originally Posted by audionewer View Post

do you mean : drivers (audio, tuners and video)?

ffdshow? If you don't know what to do, then why do you use it?
post #3316 of 18892
i need it for HD movies only.
post #3317 of 18892
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Originally Posted by audionewer View Post

i need it for HD movies only.

Then you may want to ask your questions in a thread that addresses your issues rather than this thread which is not focused on your approach. Here is the thread that appears appropriate...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=719041
post #3318 of 18892
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

No. You can choose only one audio device at a time.

Thanks, but this surprises me. Is this because the interface for audio between the MoBo and the video card is an actual cable instead of a RAM buffer? If the interface were a DMA buffer, you could just assign different addresses to different cards, (for both audio and video), and each card would just handle its own bits and output them to its own connectors. In the case of bitstream digital audio, this would not require much work... since a receiver downstream will do the actual decoding. (The CPU/MoBo would be responsible for shuttling bits from the disk drive to the buffers to keep the cards fed.)

I know there are multi-channel audio cards (M-audio 1010lt for one) that must work something like this... so it doesn't seem hopeless to think that someone will support multiple HD video streams on a single PC in the future. (Or maybe I'm way off base?)

I guess Kaleidescape and these other high end media servers that talk about multiple video streams (or zones) are really just talking about interleaved file I/O over ethernet that still has to be decoded by a PC (player in their terms) downstream at each TV site. (Nice way to sell a lot of hardware I guess.)
post #3319 of 18892
Quick question renethx!

Is it worth buying Radeon 4870 x2 instead of the ordinary one? money vs preformance wise. And will the HX620W be enough power to run it?

- HD 4870 X2: 8pin+6pin
- HX620W: 8pin+8pin

Im guessing there's enough connectors?

Thanks
post #3320 of 18892
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Originally Posted by tebba View Post

Quick question renethx!

Is it worth buying Radeon 4870 x2 instead of the ordinary one? money vs preformance wise. And will the HX620W be enough power to run it?

- HD 4870 X2: 8pin+6pin
- HX620W: 8pin+8pin

HX620W is enough for HD 4870 X2 (whose max power is ~250W). If 4870 X2 <= 2 x 4870 in price, it may be of good value depending on how much gaming performance you need.
post #3321 of 18892
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

HX620W is enough for HD 4870 X2 (whose max power is ~250W). If 4870 X2 <= 2 x 4870 in price, it may be of good value depending on how much gaming performance you need.

Ok, thx. I think i'll go with the x2 one then. How much stuff can i put in there in addition to what's in your build before i need more power?
post #3322 of 18892
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Originally Posted by tebba View Post

Ok, thx. I think i'll got with the x2 one then. How much stuff can i put in there in addition to what's in your build before i need more power?

A rough estimate of max power consumption:

- CPU: 95W
- RAM: 10W
- MB: 50W
- GPU: 250W
- Optical drive: 20W
- Total: 425W

Actual power consumption is close to this value. For example, 437W, 385W, 385W. You may add

- HDD: 10W per disk
- Expansion card: 5W-50W (depending on the card)

until you fill up the rest 200W.
post #3323 of 18892
Renethx,
Based on your suggestion for mid-range Intel HTPC and parts I can gather/buy, I am planning my 2nd HTPC with BD playback capability:
  • CPU: Core 2 Duo E5200 (already bought)
  • CPU Cooler: stock (included in box).
  • Motherboard: ASUS P5Q-EM Intel G45 chipset microATX (to be bought)
  • Memory: Crucial DDR2-667 2 x 1GB Kit (on hand)
  • HDD: Samsung 500GB SATA (on hand).
  • PSU: Corsair VX450W CMPSU-450VX (to be bought).
  • Case: Antec Fusion Remote (already bought).
  • LG Combo BD/HD DVD player (on hand)
Questions:
  1. Is there any problem connecting Antec Fusion Remote IR receiver to this Asus motherboard?
  2. Is the noise acceptable with the stock cooler or Scythe NINJA MINI a must?
  3. Will 2 x 1GB DDR2-667 be good enough for VMC or I should better off buying new 2 x 2GB DDR2-800 or higher?
TIA
PS: Planning to get an HD4650 when available.
post #3324 of 18892
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

A rough estimate of max power consumption:

- CPU: 95W
- RAM: 10W
- MB: 50W
- GPU: 250W
- Optical drive: 20W
- Total: 425W

Actual power consumption is close to this value. For example, 437W, 385W, 385W. You may add

- HDD: 10W per disk
- Expansion card: 5W-50W (depending on the card)

until you fill up the rest 200W.

I really wanna thank you renethx. Your help has made my decision _alot_ easier.. Great to have ppl of your character around. Thanks again!
post #3325 of 18892
SD DVD Playback on an HTPC
Has anyone here been able to get super good video from their HTPC, specifically with the 4850 card?
I am coming from the XA2 and an OPPO 983 and cant seem to get the HTPC to even rival the PS3s video quality. I have tried a couple different players and messed around with the 4850 settings but am still unhappy with it.
Does anyone here use the 4850 and feel that their setup is comparable to an OPPO 983 or XA2?
Or was I hoping to get something that only dedicated stand-alone players can achieve?
post #3326 of 18892
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Originally Posted by d60pdp View Post

Renethx,
Based on your suggestion for mid-range Intel HTPC and parts I can gather/buy, I am planning my 2nd HTPC with BD playback capability:
  • CPU: Core 2 Duo E5200 (already bought)
  • CPU Cooler: stock (included in box).
  • Motherboard: ASUS P5Q-EM Intel G45 chipset microATX (to be bought)
  • Memory: Crucial DDR2-667 2 x 1GB Kit (on hand)
  • HDD: Samsung 500GB SATA (on hand).
  • PSU: Corsair VX450W CMPSU-450VX (to be bought).
  • Case: Antec Fusion Remote (already bought).
  • LG Combo BD/HD DVD player (on hand)
Questions:
  1. Is there any problem connecting Antec Fusion Remote IR receiver to this Asus motherboard?
  2. Is the noise acceptable with the stock cooler or Scythe NINJA MINI a must?
  3. Will 2 x 1GB DDR2-667 be good enough for VMC or I should better off buying new 2 x 2GB DDR2-800 or higher?
TIA
PS: Planning to get an HD4650 when available.

1. No.
2. The stock cooler is very quiet for me. But E5200 can be cooled passively with Ninja Mini (zero noise).
3. DDR2-667 is good enough for video playback.

BTW if you are going to use Radeon HD 4650, then you can buy a G33/G35 mb and save some money.
post #3327 of 18892
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

1. No.
2. The stock cooler is very quiet for me. But E5200 can be cooled passively with Ninja Mini (zero noise).
3. DDR2-667 is good enough for video playback.

BTW if you are going to use Radeon HD 4650, then you can buy a G33/G35 mb and save some money.

Thanks. I'll proceed to order others parts, w/o HD4650.
post #3328 of 18892
Are:

Gigabyte GA-X48-DQ6, X48, Socket-775, ATX, Silent Pipe, DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16
and
Gigabyte GA-X48-DS4, X48, Socket-775, ATX, Silent Pipe, DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16
exactly the same except for the two less SATA ports? No need for 8 when i can only use 6 anyway
post #3329 of 18892
Im goin for HTPC build thats capable of 8 Channel LPCM audio and Blue ray/HD Video playback.

Have got the mother board selected as GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H paired with a SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 4670.

But i am undecided about the processor to get for the setup.

Would a X2 4850e suffice here or should i get a Phenom Triple or quad core?

Since this is for just movie playback (and not gaming), does it make any sense to get a Triple or quad core?
And if so does the X3 8750 (2.5 Ghz) be faster then then X2 4850e (2.8Ghz) for any day to day applications or divx/mkv conversions?

Thanks in advance
post #3330 of 18892
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Originally Posted by tebba View Post

Are:

Gigabyte GA-X48-DQ6, X48, Socket-775, ATX, Silent Pipe, DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16
and
Gigabyte GA-X48-DS4, X48, Socket-775, ATX, Silent Pipe, DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16
exactly the same except for the two less SATA ports? No need for 8 when i can only use 6 anyway

No heatpipe on the southbridge and 2 less SATA ports. That's it.

BTW if you never use CrossFire, then perhaps X48 is overkill. Check

- GA-EP45-DS3P
- GA-EP45-DS4 (DS3P+heatpipe on SB)

I bet you won't notice any performance difference. P45 supports CrossFire x8,x8 instead of CrossFire x16,x16 of X48 and the southbridge is the newer ICH10R instead of ICH9R of X48.
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