Shrek the third HD; film mode?

Originally Posted by smackman1

What mode should Shrek the third HD be in? Film, Video or Auto? I have a HD-A2.
If someone could explain these setting I would appreciate it. I have read that Auto at times does not detect properly. Does this setting really matter?
Thanks in advance

Originally Posted by smackman1

Well, This is why I ask for a explanantion. What does Auto do? Does the Auto Mode determine if its film or video mode? In all honesty, I do not know what film or video choices mean. Please be patient; some of us are not experts and trying to learn. Thank you.

Originally Posted by smackman1

Well, This is why I ask for a explanantion. What does Auto do? Does the Auto Mode determine if its film or video mode? In all honesty, I do not know what film or video choices mean. Please be patient; some of us are not experts and trying to learn. Thank you.

Originally Posted by smackman1

I am sorry as I do not understand your answer. I guess you are saying a B&W picture will show the differences in settings. I am a Rookie HD-DVD player owner. I will figure this out but no I do not own Van Helsing and in all honesty I have never heard of him. Maybe I am to old? (50)

Originally Posted by smackman1

I am sorry as I do not understand your answer. I guess you are saying a B&W picture will show the differences in settings. I am a Rookie HD-DVD player owner. I will figure this out but no I do not own Van Helsing and in all honesty I have never heard of him. Maybe I am to old? (50)

Originally Posted by smackman1

I actually have a ISF Calibrator coming in early December. (Craig I Rounds). I am excited about this because I live in a remote location where no on locally does this. I have read this Craig is really good. I have a Mitsubishi 55" CRT RPTV. (WS-55517). I ask my local Mitsubishi serviceman about hiring a Pro to Calibrate my RPTV when my DM board was replaced under extended warranty. He said it was a waste of time and money and the factory settings were the best it can get. He even said cleaning the lenses and mirror were a waste of time unless you are a smoker. I actually cleaned my lenses myself after he left. It made a big difference and my RPTV is only 18 months old. (and I do not smoke). I know this serviceman is not knowledgeable at all about Calibrations.
I have done THX Optimizer on Pirates of the Carribean on SDVD. I have never entered the Service Menu. Thanks for the info. and I am looking forward to my Calibration of my RPTV for the first time.

Originally Posted by Jgatie

The original Van Helsing is just a little older than you. He was 'born' in 1887, and his 'daddy' was a guy named Bram Stoker. You might know him better for another guy he gave 'rebirth' to the same year, a thirsty little fella named Dracula.

However, I'm sure the poster was speaking of the movie Van Helsing (IMDB Link), which can be used to distinguish problems between the 'Video' and 'Film' settings because of unique scenes in the first minutes (If you can bear a few minutes. Atrociously bad movie!!).

Originally Posted by kevivoe

What? A very good movie and great in HD!

Originally Posted by Jgatie

Because film is 24 frames/sec and video is 60 frames/sec, there isn't an easy way to display film on a video device without messing up the framerate. So the "film" setting attempts to smooth out the process by doing what is called a 3:2 pulldown. This is only for sources that are filmed based. If you process video based content with film's 3:2 pulldown, you will mess up the framerate and will degrade the picture.

On most commercial DVD's the selection of which mode to use is flagged in the DVD data and is automatically chosen by the 'Auto" setting. For some commercial DVD's and most home videos, the flag is not set, so they require you to "force" the 'Film' or 'Video' setting. 9 times out of 10, you can set it to 'Auto' and forget it.

What mode should Shrek the third HD be in? Film, Video or Auto? I have a HD-A2.
If someone could explain these setting I would appreciate it. I have read that Auto at times does not detect properly. Does this setting really matter?

Because film is 24 frames/sec and video is 60 frames/sec, there isn't an easy way to display film on a video device without messing up the framerate. So the "film" setting attempts to smooth out the process by doing what is called a 3:2 pulldown. This is only for sources that are filmed based. If you process video based content with film's 3:2 pulldown, you will mess up the framerate and will degrade the picture

Originally Posted by smackman1

What mode should Shrek the third HD be in?

Originally Posted by Jgatie

Because film is 24 frames/sec and video is 60 frames/sec, there isn't an easy way to display film on a video device without messing up the framerate. So the "film" setting attempts to smooth out the process by doing what is called a 3:2 pulldown. This is only for sources that are filmed based. If you process video based content with film's 3:2 pulldown, you will mess up the framerate and will degrade the picture.

On most commercial DVD's the selection of which mode to use is flagged in the DVD data and is automatically chosen by the 'Auto" setting. For some commercial DVD's and most home videos, the flag is not set, so they require you to "force" the 'Film' or 'Video' setting. 9 times out of 10, you can set it to 'Auto' and forget it.

Originally Posted by Stephen Tu

For HD-DVD content, on the A2, this setting doesn't matter whatsoever, it just doesn't apply.

The setting is solely to set the deinterlacing mode for standard DVDs, if output res at something other than 480i. As stated, 95% of the time set it to auto and forget about it, however



is a totally inaccurate explanation what is going on. For a real explanation, read the Secret of Home Theater article on progressive scan DVD. Film mode deinterlacing is either detecting the 3:2 cadence by examining the decoder output, or looking at flags in the MPEG data, then intelligently recombining the fields to recover the original frames. Trying to do this with video source material doesn't "mess up the frame rate", what it does is cause combing artifacts from combining fields that belonged to different frames, when an object in the frame moves. So if you are seeing such artifacts in your video based material (some, not all TV shows, sporting events, concert videos, etc.), then you can force video mode to avoid them.

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Do you own Van Helsing?

If not - can you rent it?

The first 5 to 7 minutes of the film are in B&W. Try all the different setting during that sequence and watch what they are doing to the image . . .

Originally Posted by Jgatie

Our tastes differ. I found it unwatchable even though I like Jackman and would watch Beckinsale read the phonebook for two hours. I also love a good cheesy monster movie. Oh well.

Ever hear of the concept of K.I.S.S?

Originally Posted by Stephen Tu

Sure. But keeping it simple is not the same as spewing total nonsense.

So what exactly is "combining fields that belonged to different frames" if it isn't messing with the framerate?

Originally Posted by Stephen Tu

No, it has absolutely zero effect on frame rate. Other than the newest sets that accept 1080p at 24hz, TVs in NTSC countries only accept frames(progressive) or fields (interlaced) at 60hz. If the frame rate was messed with, the TV wouldn't be able to display anything at all! NTSC DVDs are encoded for output at 60 fields per second, interlaced to match this requirement. For film sourced DVDs, typically you have 48 fields/sec stored on disc corresponding to the original 24 film frames along with flags that tell the MPEG decoder to repeat 12 of them to get up to 60 (thus performing the 3:2 pulldown). The progressive scan player, in film mode deinterlacing mode, has to reverse this process, to get the original 24 frames, then scales (if also upconverting), then it has to do frame repetition to get back up to 60 hz.

For video material, you start with 60 fields per second. Video mode deinterlacing will use a combination of merging fields/interpolation within a field to convert this to 60 frames per second. Now if the disc's encoding is seriously screwed up & causes the player to treat video as film, then you end up combining fields that don't belong together, the content of your frame looks messed up, but the end frame rate is still 60 fps as always.

Originally Posted by AJ_Syrinx

That movie is so bad it should be in "coaster mode"

Originally Posted by eapleitez

Shrek 3 is not a bad movie. Bad movies are fare such as: Red Dawn

Originally Posted by Star56

Oh boy...don't get me started here. A few years ago we had a long thread debating the merits of this fine movie. I consider it a classic. The battle tactics are authentic and the notion of high school kids fighting a successful insurgency against a major invading army is not so absurd anymore.