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post #31 of 345
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I've just updated the rankings. It seems that Shrek 3 is the new king of PQ.

The number of votes is now shown between brackets.

Next update next week.
post #32 of 345
My wife and I just watched "Pride and Prejudice" and it looked absolutely amazing. There were a few scenes in this movie that were no less than reference quality. The film itself was also pretty good, what a pleasant surprise. This one deserves about a 4.4 stars in PQ (yeah that good). I watched the Bourne Identity the night before and was more impressed with Pride and Prejudice. This one should certainly be added to the list, I wasn't expecting the PQ to be this good. Maybe I should let my wife pick more movies . The TrueHD soundtrack was also pretty engaging despite that fact it's a love story.

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post #33 of 345
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Thank you lrstevens421. Here is the entry for Pride and Prejudice, please vote:

Pride and Prejudice TrueHD User Poll Ratings (Vote!) AVS REVIEW
post #34 of 345
How did Blood Diamond get so high? Definately a 3.5-3.99 PQ film if I ever saw one.
post #35 of 345
Just wondering why all votes for Shrek are 5 for PQ...but it is rated at ~4.8?
post #36 of 345
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Originally Posted by tom newey View Post

How did Blood Diamond get so high? Definately a 3.5-3.99 PQ film if I ever saw one.

Or it looks fantastic not quite as good Miami vice in terms of retaining the theatrical representation.

The Day scenes are almost breathtaking and the night scenes are almost exactly how it is supposed to look.
post #37 of 345
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Just wondering why all votes for Shrek are 5 for PQ...but it is rated at ~4.8?

You can find the formula for the weighted rating at the end of the list.
post #38 of 345
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Just wondering why all votes for Shrek are 5 for PQ...but it is rated at ~4.8?

Have you seen any of the "cartoons" rated any lower than second tier? I'll never get used to this noble effort to categorize these discs because of the unfair comparison between "cartoons" and films. Anyone consider the difficulty a little thing like light presents to a "real" filmmaker?

John
post #39 of 345
I don't see the excellent Japanese release of Band of Brothers listed. Beautiful HD!
post #40 of 345
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Originally Posted by FrancescoP View Post

You can find the formula for the weighted rating at the end of the list.

I've taken a lot of complex statistics classes is college and I'm not sure that the Bayesian model is the one I'd use if I ran this thread. It's ok, though.
post #41 of 345
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Originally Posted by FrancescoP View Post

Thank you lrstevens421. Here is the entry for Pride and Prejudice, please vote:

Pride and Prejudice TrueHD User Poll Ratings (Vote!) AVS REVIEW

I just realized I voted 4 instead of 5 . Oh well.
post #42 of 345
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Originally Posted by moshmothma View Post

I don't see the excellent Japanese release of Band of Brothers listed. Beautiful HD!

Just added the entry to the list, please vote:

Band of Brothers (Japanese Import) User Poll Ratings (Vote!) AVS REVIEW
post #43 of 345
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post #44 of 345
Great Resource to have for AVS Forum members. Would be more user friendly if the lists were in alphabetical order.
post #45 of 345
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Originally Posted by Count Westwest View Post

Great Resource to have for AVS Forum members. Would be more user friendly if the lists were in alphabetical order.

CTRL+F and you can find any title you like. They're listed by PQ ranking.
post #46 of 345
If I had a dime for every time someone asked why the list wasn't in alphabetical order....
post #47 of 345
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Originally Posted by lgans316 View Post

The placement of the below titles seems to be strange.

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire HD DVD (european import) . TrueHD 3.857143 stars User Poll Ratings (Vote!) AVS Review

Besides the users vote we should also consider the review comments from professional reviewers.


This one sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I use it as a reference disk and somehow 13% gave it a 1. There sould be some accountability to the voting. I don't mind if people give it a 4. Even a 3 (though that would even be a little disconcerting). I scoff at the 1s (and there were a LOT of them).
post #48 of 345
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Originally Posted by coolhand View Post

This one sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I use it as a reference disk and somehow 13% gave it a 1. There sould be some accountability to the voting. I don't mind if people give it a 4. Even a 3 (though that would even be a little disconcerting). I scoff at the 1s (and there were a LOT of them).

Blu-ray fanboys try to come in and skew votes/ratings.
post #49 of 345
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Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

Blu-ray fanboys try to come in and skew votes/ratings.

I have no doubt that some of that takes place, but it doesn't make sense here since these will be the same encodes for BD and HD DVD, aren't they?
post #50 of 345
I think we need a dual rating system.
It seems there are 2 different kinds of reviews in the world of HDM. Reviews that compare it to all other HDM releases or reviews that compare it to it's theatrical presentation.

There are going to be tier 3 titles that look indistinguishable to their theatrical presentation. It's misleading to have them rank lower, even though they could very well be more transparent than titles in a higher tier.

Some of us want eye candy. Some us want theatrical accuracy. and some of us want it all! How about a score for each title to categorize both? Like a numeric rating like we currently have for comparisons to other releases or eye candy. and a letter grade for theatrical accuracy/ transfer transparency. In which case a movie like Excalibur might get a 5/B+. This allows the review rank to serve all fans of HDM. and will cut down not only in confusion to newcomers, but endless bickering about which we should consider more (eye candy, accuracy). Well ok, nothing will ever end the bickering. But it might help focus the bickering!
post #51 of 345
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Ranking just updated. Next update next week.
post #52 of 345
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

I have no doubt that some of that takes place, but it doesn't make sense here since these will be the same encodes for BD and HD DVD, aren't they?

They are going to be. But its warner, they are completely willing to spit on their great movies if spitting on them means they can blame their hatred of them on HD-DVD.

Look at what they have done with Blood diamond, 300, and the Departed.
post #53 of 345
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Originally Posted by Topweasel View Post

They are going to be. But its warner, they are completely willing to spit on their great movies if spitting on them means they can blame their hatred of them on HD-DVD.

Look at what they have done with Blood diamond, 300, and the Departed.

I think 300 looks fine (given the grain), but The Departed and Blood Diamond are both pretty underwhelming.
post #54 of 345
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

I think 300 looks fine (given the grain), but The Departed and Blood Diamond are both pretty underwhelming.

Departed can be a bit soft, and due to night use of the same type of digital camera used on Miami vice, Blood Diamond can be a bit noise I don't think any of this had to do with HD DVD "limitations" that the blu crew try to say it is.

Just saying that they would rather crap on good BD's if they can blame it on HD DVD.
post #55 of 345
It's a shame to see Super sharp and deep blacked Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions being placed below the super soft and black crushed Bourne Identity.

Francesco, Do you agree with this decision ?
post #56 of 345
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Originally Posted by Topweasel View Post

Departed can be a bit soft, and due to night use of the same type of digital camera used on Miami vice, Blood Diamond can be a bit noise I don't think any of this had to do with HD DVD "limitations" that the blu crew try to say it is.

Just saying that they would rather crap on good BD's if they can blame it on HD DVD.

When I post in these threads, it is to give my opinion on the PQ of that particular title, and I attempt to be as objective as possible.

I don't have any idea whether the sub par PQ on Blood Diamond and The Departed has anything to do with lower bit rates or not, and for purposes of these threads I really don't care. These PQ (eye candy) threads should not have anything to do with the stupid format war.
post #57 of 345
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Originally Posted by lgans316 View Post

It's a shame to see Super sharp and deep blacked Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions being placed below the super soft and black crushed Bourne Identity.

Francesco, Do you agree with this decision ?

No, but I suspect this is caused by the usual bunch of blu-ray fanboys who voted "1" on the Matrix movies, and forgot to do the same on the Bourne movie.

Of course I can be wrong, and those votes are honest. We cannot be sure. Everybody is entitled to his own opinion anyway.

There is only one way to correct such imbalance: collecting more votes.

Please, post the link to this thread in as many HD DVD forums you can find and ask people to vote.

Thank you.
post #58 of 345
These type of voting threads are always flawed in that regard. Angry fanboys, people with sub-HD sets that make everything look the same, etc. The ballet box inevitably gets stuffed and garbage discs like Tremors end up above some solid catalog titles that are DNR and EE free.

I think the reference dvd thread was better in that there was more discussion about what belongs there. I have no idea if it's changed to a voting system or not (dvd is pretty irrelevant now).
post #59 of 345
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

I have no doubt that some of that takes place, but it doesn't make sense here since these will be the same encodes for BD and HD DVD, aren't they?

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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

When I post in these threads, it is to give my opinion on the PQ of that particular title, and I attempt to be as objective as possible.

I don't have any idea whether the sub par PQ on Blood Diamond and The Departed has anything to do with lower bit rates or not, and for purposes of these threads I really don't care. These PQ (eye candy) threads should not have anything to do with the stupid format war.

I was explaining the first question you had asked. Nothing more nothing less. I hope you don't feel I was picking on you if you feel that way about those two movies, movies that yeah I feel look exactly like I thought they would, but thats neither here nor there, my point is that it has been a habit of using "made for HD-DVD" encodes on dual release movies as a complaint not knowing whether or not HD-DVD "Limitations" actually affected PQ.
post #60 of 345
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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul View Post

These type of voting threads are always flawed in that regard.

The problem is that the other type of thread was flawed too, as we have seen with the Fett thread. Pratically every movie rank was contested, and nobody was ever happy.

The current method at least avoid the useless flame wars and it's pretty accurate most of the time.

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The ballet box inevitably gets stuffed and garbage discs like Tremors end up above some solid catalog titles that are DNR and EE free.

You are right about this, I will add those informations near each movie in the next update.

The current tags are:

Intentionally Softened
Bobbed (vertical filtered)
Digital Noise

Next week I will add all the tags posted in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=937873

Intentionally Softened
Aliasing (vertical filtering/bobbing)
Digital Noise
EE
DNR
ITC
Banding

What do you think?
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