Pioneer Elite DV-48AV as a cd player - Page 3

The question is are you sending it out as multichannel PCM or true DSD?

Hmm, the chart on pg 47 suggests if HDMI Audio is set to Auto (DSD) it will output 5.1 DSD.

In the Troubleshooting are it states:
SACDs and some DVD-Audio discs do not output digital audio.
Listen through the player’s analog audio outputs.

I believe the issue is Pio is referring to Audio connections within 3 contexts:
Analog
Digital
HDMI

Digital meaning Optical or Coax. Not HDMI.
SACD can not be sent using Optical or Coax on any equipment that I am aware of.

DSD, this is confirmed with an "SACD" display at the receiver instead of "PCM". For 2-channel it displays "SACD Stereo".

It seems there is a real problem for me playing CDs via HDMI to my Onkyo TX-NR905. It plays the discs, but the sound drops out every few seconds. I've tried swapping cables. I suspect the 905's HDMI implementation. Anyone else having issues with CD playback?

Thanks, I found it under "snake oils"

Attila thehun:


ROFLMAO

heeheehee... yeah, I never said they work, I'm just pointing out where to find the info...

If it helps anyone, I fixed the HDMI sound dropout problems. Apparently, when using the HDMI out, you should disable the "Digital Out" option in the settings. After I did this, all was well again.


EDIT: Never mind. This is a quick fix. Mine still kept dropping out every few seconds while the HDMI light on the receiver would blink with the dropouts. Since the Onkyo TX-NR905 had no problems with the PS3, the Pio Elite 48 went back to Magnolia.

Confirmed. I am able to output MC DSD via HDMI

I am confused about the multichannel SACD issue with the Pioneer Elite DVD-48AV, can someone riddle me this?:

The DV-48AV + VSX-94TXH can
a)Output Multichannel DSD over HDMI and process that Multichannel DSD without PCM conversion
b)Output Multichannel DSD over HDMI and process that Multichannel DSD with PCM conversion
c)Output only Multichannel PCM conversion of SACD over HDMI and process that as Multichannel PCM

I see mapatton says its DSD, I just want to confirm.

I have been able to do options "a" and "c" with the DV-48AV connected via HDMI to a VSX-91TXH, so I would suppose the 94TXH could also do the same... not sure about option "b"

Hope that helps...


Cheers,

PeteH

Any thoughts on what the new Pio 58 brings to the table over the 48?

Hello Tom, I responded over in the 94 forum.

Apologize if someone mentioned this already but HDMI is designed to carry both video and audio streams. The standard has the bandwidth for audio to be proportional to the video bandwidth so you need to increase the video resolution to get full sacd audio bandwidth. Its not a pioneer thing but an HDMI thing and do not know why but my oppo 970 has the same behavior and thats what I learned.

Yes to all 3

Here's the how.

For A:
in the 48
Initial Settings>Digital Audio Out>HDMI Out set to Auto(DSD)
in the 94 - select Pure direct
What will be displayed on the 94 is SACD Direct
In the upper left you will only see DSD

For B:
in the 48
Initial Settings>Digital Audio Out>HDMI Out set to Auto(DSD)
in the 94 - do NOT select Pure direct (any other setting will work)
What will be displayed on the 94 is SACD
In the upper left you will see DSD>PCM

For C:
in the 48
Initial Settings>Digital Audio Out>HDMI Out set to Auto
What will be displayed on the 94 is PCM Direct

Thanks for that info. What a horrid design. So much for user friendliness.

BTW, Pioneer support has not responded yet. What horrid Customer Support.

Just wanted to let you guys know about a serious problem I am having when using my DV-48 to output DSD over HDMI. Regardless of whether I have the layer default set to CD, Stereo DSD or Multi DSD, it will only play the multichannel layer when playing through HDMI. So in other words, this player cannot play back the CD or Stereo DSD layers of a multichannel hybrid SACD when set up to output DSD over HDMI! Once the HDMI is disconnected, it will then play the layer that it is set to default to. This player is getting returned ASAP.

How is this player when used as a pure cd/sacd player connected via analog? I am in the process of purchasing a pure 2ch system for my office and my dealer can cut me a superb deal on this player, A-35R integrated, and Rega P3. The DV-48AV and A-35R end up being the mrsp of the DV-48 alone. I will mostly be using it for SACD as all my CDs are ripped to my PC via uncompressed format and hooked up to the integrated with a fubar2. Is there anything else I should be looking at this price range?

Sounds like something FW update could address.

Just to check, have you confirmed there is a 2.0 DSD track on the disc? I ask as not all do. For instance:

SACD authoring guidelines suggest that an SACD should always contain a 2-channel stereo mix though not all SACDs have it (for example, in 2005 Sony Music Entertainment (Germany) GmbH released Charles Rosen's performance of the Goldberg Variations as a hybrid SACD with 16-bit PCM and DSD 5.1 surround but no DSD stereo).

Another example:
I am looking at Pink Floyd DSOTM and there is no reference to a 2.0 DSD mix. Only a 5.1 DSD mix. The 2.0 mix is std stereo (not DSD).

Yes. I also have the Oppo 980 and it does not have this problem at all. I have actually decided to keep this player, since it (so far ) has played all of my DVD-A's without any glitches, something that the Oppo cannot do. So I'll be using the 980 for SACD's and the DV-48 for DVD-A's, both outputing over HDMI.

Yeah after I posted I got off my lazy butt and grabbed something with 2.0 track. No go.

Then I found this in the manual:

The HDMI connection is compatible with 2 channel linear PCM signals (44.1 kHz to 192 kHz, 16 bit/20 bit/24 bit), and Dolby Digital, DTS, MPEG audio bitstream, multichannel DSD, and multi channel linear PCM signals, (5.1 channel signals up to 96 kHz, 16 bit/20 bit/24 bit).

Only multichannel DSD. 2 channel can be LPCM, but I could can run my 94's DSP and get SACD Stereo (PCM application to the DSD MC track).

I just picked up one of these little guys the other day, mostly on a whim. I'm using it via HDMI with an Onkyo TX-SR805 AV receiver and a Sony 34XBR970 CRT HDTV. It's set to Auto(DSD) and 1080i, naturally.

My prior DVD player for the last 5 1/2 years was (now in the bedroom system) a Pioneer Elite DV-45A. I was always happy with the 45's SACD/DVD-A performance and the 480p picture looked fine to me but I have quite a fair amount of region-free PAL DVDs that never made it as NTSC releases that I got kind of tired of only being able to watch on my computer.

My first impression was this little thing has surprisingly decent build quality and even a bit of heft for such a small box. I was expecting a plastic-y build based on its low price.

The only set up quirk I encountered was it would send DD/DTS as Multi-Channel PCM to my receiver. This of course has no effect on sound quality but it's much easier to see which soundtrack I'm listening to from my receiver's front panel display rather than cycling through the Pioneer's OSD. I found by setting the S/PDIF to on (even with no cable connected) I would get raw DD/DTS over HDMI.

So far I've tried:
Stereo SACD
Multi-Channel SACD
Stereo DVD-Audio
Multi-Channel DVD-Audio
96/24 DVD
96/24 DTS
DTS CD
DTS DVD
Dolby Digital DVD
Redbook CD

All work properly with no drop-outs or pops/clicks.

As for video, the upconversion to 1080i definitely looks better than my 45A at 480p or my TV's upconversion. There's a lot less jaggies now so I'm happy.

I haven't tried the USB or mp3/wma/aac discs. All of the music on my computer is in m4a lossless which I stream with a Roku SoundBridge M500, so I really don't have any need for that feature. I may try connecting my digital camera to the USB and with any luck will be able to view my photos without having to transfer them to a flash drive, although that's not really a big deal for me either way.

I just bought the DV-48 so I can play my SACDs through HDMI - connected to my VSX-92THX. Works great for that. But when I put in a regular DVD, the receiver shows PCM and not DTS or Dolby Digital. What gives?

You have to turn the digital output on as well. Note that you do not need to actually hook up a digital cable.

I guess you didn't read my post a couple up from here

Oy! thanks Slosh. I did read your post higher up awhile back. I guess it didn't sink in at the time since I didn't own one yet.

These are still on sale at www.vanns.com! $99

Making me upgrade my Elite from DV37 to DV48..., more $$.

gychang