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post #91 of 118
At $99, I'm tempted to give this thing a second chance. I couldn't stand the 3 second dropouts over HDMI, but it's possible that the Onkyo 905 (sold) was partly to blame.
post #92 of 118
Probably a dumb question but can anyone think of any reason to go for a DV-45 at $200 over the DV-48 at $100?
post #93 of 118
grabbed one from Vann's for $89, opened item, on its way.

I am looking forward to its arrival.

gychang
post #94 of 118
Ordering a 58 first thing Monday for $400. Really looking forward to hearing the SACDs and DVD-As I have, somewhat unknowingly, collected.
post #95 of 118
I got one of the Vanns units, which I am using via HDMI to an Onkyo TX-SR805. I am quite happy with its performance. This DV-48AV replaces a Pio DV-578a. I replaced the 6 audio (SACD), 1 coax, and 3 component vid cables with one HDMI unit.

Yes - in order to do 5.1 DSD over HDMI, one needs to have video res > 480 wide. This has to do with the HDMI limitations, which I do not consider a bug. While I would prefer my TV to do the upscaling, the player's handling is sufficient for my needs. HDMI audio is transmitted in the blank regions of the video stream. 480 timing doesn't have the necessary bandwidth to support more than 2 channels.
post #96 of 118
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Originally Posted by gychang View Post

grabbed one from Vann's for $89, opened item, on its way.

I am looking forward to its arrival.

gychang

It has arrived and connected to my HDTV via HDMI cable and optical cable to my Pioneer HT receiver. What do I have to do to get upscaling from DVD player working properly?

thanks,

gychang
post #97 of 118
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Originally Posted by gychang View Post

It has arrived and connected to my HDTV via HDMI cable and optical cable to my Pioneer HT receiver. What do I have to do to get upscaling from DVD player working properly?

thanks,

gychang

Go into the video settings, look for HDMI resolution and set it to the resolution you want.

You can also use the HDMI button on the remote to toggle through all the resolutions.
post #98 of 118
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Originally Posted by WilliamZX11 View Post

Go into the video settings, look for HDMI resolution and set it to the resolution you want.

You can also use the HDMI button on the remote to toggle through all the resolutions.

thanks,

gychang
post #99 of 118
I'm a noobie to this stuff. I am building my system around an Onkyo TX-NR906. Concerning the DV-48, can you get the full SACD and DVD-A formats by sending the audio and video via HDMI to receiver and then send the video to TV via component? I have a Sony CRT HDTV that only displays up to 720p or 1080i. It does have a DVI input. Would I be better off using an HDMI to DVI cable to the TV? If I use a HDMI to DVI would a cable or an HDMI cable with a DVI adapter be best? I will be using this as a DVD player as well as I don't have Blu-ray yet.
post #100 of 118
Tempted to try it for $99 but I wish it was available on a B&M store shelf. I know Vanns is easy to deal with though as I have brought from them before.
post #101 of 118
I got mine from Vanns yesterday. Tried to connect an external WD hard drive via USB but it doesn't work; in fact, the HD doesn't even spin up. The WD is formatted FAT32 which is supposed to be supported. A USB flash card works fine, but a Canon camera doesn't work too. The display on 48AV shows "USB MODE" forever. I suppose this must be an issue with power over USB. Did anyone manage to use an external HDD via a powered USB hub? Is there any other solution?
post #102 of 118
I ordered one from VANNS will be here tommorro will use it only for SACD DVDaudio only on a 805 onkyo DSD looking foward to seeing how this thing sounds. My previous unit was a denon 2900 hope it compares.
post #103 of 118
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Originally Posted by T100 View Post

I ordered one from VANNS will be here tommorro will use it only for SACD DVDaudio only on a 805 onkyo DSD looking foward to seeing how this thing sounds. My previous unit was a denon 2900 hope it compares.

let us know of your impression of the sound.

gychang
post #104 of 118
Has anyone experienced a loud "thump" in the speakers when the tray is closed on the 48AV connected to a receiver via HDMI?
post #105 of 118
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Originally Posted by stangage70 View Post

I got one of the Vanns units, which I am using via HDMI to an Onkyo TX-SR805. I am quite happy with its performance. This DV-48AV replaces a Pio DV-578a. I replaced the 6 audio (SACD), 1 coax, and 3 component vid cables with one HDMI unit.

Yes - in order to do 5.1 DSD over HDMI, one needs to have video res > 480 wide. This has to do with the HDMI limitations, which I do not consider a bug. While I would prefer my TV to do the upscaling, the player's handling is sufficient for my needs. HDMI audio is transmitted in the blank regions of the video stream. 480 timing doesn't have the necessary bandwidth to support more than 2 channels.

My unit comes today, how did you set your unit up for playback, anything special. I have to use aux 2 input for playback.
post #106 of 118
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Originally Posted by Jurukk View Post

Has anyone experienced a loud "thump" in the speakers when the tray is closed on the 48AV connected to a receiver via HDMI?

Yes my new unit has this loud thump also.The build date is sept. 07 Guess that's why its $99.00 at Vanns. The denon 2900 had started giving me problems and that's why I purchased it, I'll give it more play time before I give my final answer on how it preforms. Was able to hook it up 1080p DSD to my 805 on aux 2 DSD setting, with no problems. Dvd playback preforms nowhere near the quality of my XA2. I'll continue to tweak it some more.
post #107 of 118
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Originally Posted by T100 View Post

Yes my new unit has this loud thump also.The build date is sept. 07 Guess that's why its $99.00 at Vanns. The denon 2900 had started giving me problems and that's why I purchased it, I'll give it more play time before I give my final answer on how it preforms. Was able to hook it up 1080p DSD to my 805 on aux 2 DSD setting, with no problems. Dvd playback preforms nowhere near the quality of my XA2. I'll continue to tweak it some more.

I found in the Oppo 980 thread that it also has the "thump" issue. I guess the solution is to mute it when swapping disks.

SACDs also work fine with DSD over HDMI on my Onkyo 875. The sound is excellent (although the Pioneer is not processing anything, so no surprises here). I was unable to use an external HDD (WD Passport) over USB. The drive doesn't spin up - apparently there's not enough power over USB. I'm going to try it with a Y USB cable to feed more power from another device.

The Oppo users managed to play lossless MLP files off DVDs or USB drives. I wonder if the 48AV can do that - will try.
post #108 of 118
I'm trying to put together a system that sounds good on CDs (I don't have any SACDs) as well as a home theater setup, and I'm trying to do it on a fairly lean budget, esp. in these crazy economic times.

I'll have to start out at only 3.1 and add more later.

So far, I have a pair of Energy C-100 and an Energy C-C100 center channel, along with a BIC Acoustech H-100 subwoofer. I think I'm going with an Onkyo TXSR606 HT receiver (Off topic: Any alternate suggestions in the $320 price range welcomed!)

In the future I'll add some Energy C-50 speakers for the surrounds.

I have a Samsung PN50A450 plasma that displays at 720p or 1080i.

I was planning on connecting everything with HDMI 1.3 cables from monoprice.

Frankly, all the alphabet soup that the audio/video industry uses today confuses me. Am I the only one who remembers listening to a demo at Tech HiFi with Large Advent speakers, a Thorens turntable, and a Kenwood receiver? Things seemed a lot simpler back then...

OK, back to my question. Using the equipment I mentioned above, and connected with the HDMI 1.3 cables, am I going to be limited in what I can play using CDs or DVDs if I purchase the 48AV?

Or the formats I can use?

I was surprised to see an Elite unit selling for the Vann's price. I had been looking at the standard upconverting Toshiba and Sony DVD players.

Does the fact that the 48AV is over a year old limit it's ability to play the "alphabet soup" audio formats compared with a newer (but less quality build, etc.) model?

I believe the 48AV outputs at HDMI 1.2 and not 1.3....does this limit things?

I'm hoping to avoid ordering the 48AV and then finding out something like, "Well, to play THAT DVD (or CD, etc.) you need to use the optical (or component, etc) output and switch over to.........." type of situation. I'd like to keep it simple (don't add "stupid") and simply use the HDMI cables.

Any thoughts?

.
post #109 of 118
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Originally Posted by Jurukk View Post

Has anyone experienced a loud "thump" in the speakers when the tray is closed on the 48AV connected to a receiver via HDMI?

That's odd, I have the 48, and have also recommended it to a couple of friends. None of our units have any type of thump issue. Maybe there are a few bad units out there?

If it were mine, I would take advantage of Vann's 30 day exchange policy.
post #110 of 118
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Originally Posted by WilliamZX11 View Post

That's odd, I have the 48, and have also recommended it to a couple of friends. None of our units have any type of thump issue. Maybe there are a few bad units out there?

If it were mine, I would take advantage of Vann's 30 day exchange policy.

This is a known issue. You wouldn't have a thump unless you load SACDs and bitstream DSD over HDMI.
post #111 of 118
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Originally Posted by Jurukk View Post

This is a known issue. You wouldn't have a thump unless you load SACDs and bitstream DSD over HDMI.

I have sent DSD over HDMI. Is this only with certain discs? Or certain pre/recievers? So far I've had it connected to an Onkyo PR-SC885 and a Yamaha RX-V1800.
post #112 of 118
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Originally Posted by WilliamZX11 View Post

I have sent DSD over HDMI. Is this only with certain discs? Or certain pre/recievers? So far I've had it connected to an Onkyo PR-SC885 and a Yamaha RX-V1800.

Apparently it doesn't matter which receiver you use. What might matter is whether you switch from another kind of media (e.g. DVD) to SACD. The folks in the Oppo thread say that with Oppo the thump is very persistent, while with Pioneer it is more sporadic (or at least they couldn't figure out the pattern). Oppo never came up with a firmware update to fix this. Check out the Oppo 980 thread and search for "thump." Oppo has a much larger user base and that thread is very long. The Pioneer seems to be very similar, so many issues/features should be similar too.
post #113 of 118
I made a few additional tests for the 48AV. First, MLP files are not recognized over USB (neither are WMA lossless or WMA Pro). WPA 192 kHz works fine, expected. One probably can burn MLP files on a DVD using some DVD-A authoring software, which would put several CDs on one DVD. But lossless over USB seems to be impossible. This is a step down from the Oppo 980.

Second, I compared SACD playback with multichannel PCM or DSD fed to Onkyo 875 over HDMI, and I believe PCM sounds better. It seems to me like the higher end opens up somewhat with PCM. This agrees with Kal Rubinson's conclusions (see discussion in the Oppo 980H thread). As with Oppo, for DSD signal Onkyo always shows 44.1 kHz, while with PCM is showed multichannel 88.2 kHz on the SACD that I checked. The consensus among Oppo users seems to be that Onkyo's display is misleading, and in fact the signal carries more than 44.1 kHz. However, it seems strange that the sound quality depends on where the DSD recording is converted to PCM (in the player or in the receiver). So I'm wondering if there's more to the story. Any thoughts in this? If you have a 48AV, please compare DSD against multichannel PCM over HDMI. I'm wondering if there's a scientific way to establish the difference using some test recordings.
post #114 of 118
I will test mine for this, the denon 2900 unit I had before seemed more richer sounding than this unit, but I also went from a AVM20 to a 805 onkyo. I am using the amps that I was using before (mca20,mca50) sound quality is different from a 20, to 805 and audyssey helps. I'll try pcm set-up and give it a shot to compare. Hoping to get a D2v2 one day. I also notice the pop sound only on SACD loading of the disc.
post #115 of 118
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Originally Posted by Neville View Post

Craig, in Initial Settings/Analog I have:

Digital out : on
Dolby Digital out : Dolby Digital
DTS out : DTS
Linear PCMout : downsample pcm on
Mpeg out : mpeg -> pcm
HDMI out : Auto(DSD)


Hope this helps

For multichannel SACD (DSD) your transport must be set to 720p or 1080i if that helps. (I have an Onkyo TX-NR906 and this transport works great with it and the reon in the Onkyo bumps up the video great from 480i.)
post #116 of 118
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Originally Posted by Jurukk View Post

Apparently it doesn't matter which receiver you use. What might matter is whether you switch from another kind of media (e.g. DVD) to SACD. The folks in the Oppo thread say that with Oppo the thump is very persistent, while with Pioneer it is more sporadic (or at least they couldn't figure out the pattern). Oppo never came up with a firmware update to fix this. Check out the Oppo 980 thread and search for "thump." Oppo has a much larger user base and that thread is very long. The Pioneer seems to be very similar, so many issues/features should be similar too.

I connect 48av thru hdmi to denon 4308. There is no issue at all when I change SACD or DVD-A. I do hear a sound like fuse click on my denon receiver just like when power is turning on. My guess is when sending DSD, denon will turn off al24, pcm other stuff,..etc.

P.S. Mine is less than 90 refurb unit.
post #117 of 118
Hi Audio Gurus,
I am looking at choosing between Pioneer DV-48AV and Denon 2910 mainly as a CD, DVD-Audio and SACD player. I want to use analog outputs in the beginning. Are there any opinions on the sound quality of these units via the analog outputs. I am mainly interested in stereo sounds at this point.

Thanks for your suggestions!
post #118 of 118
I'm having the following problems with the USB mode. I have 192k wma files organized in folders on a WD Passport hard drive. I managed to get the 48AV access the disk by using a USB cable with split power (the 48AV doesn't have enough power to spin up the hard drive). I can even view pictures and play wma files. However, the 48AV has trouble browsing through the folder tree once it goes beyond the first two nested folders. When I try to enter a directory, the device hangs and doesn't respond to anything other than the DVD/USB button. OK, I copied the wma files in the first-level directory, and then it does see and play them. However, it does not order the files alphabetically, so I can't play the tracks in order. This is a problem if you want to listen to a 3-part piano concerto, for example (and there are a few of them in the folder).

Does anyone else have the same problems? Is this normal behavior, or does it look like I have a defective unit?
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