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This week's numbers will come from sales occuring from November 19 until November 25.

Another week is in the books (sort of) and another one begins. Once again, we get marketing tricks as the two consortiums strive for dominance.

The Blu team has the larger lineup of titles this week, lead by the Die Hard franchise, including this summer's Live Free or Die Hard. Also available is a box set of all the DH movies and each previous title separately. The other, notable title is Hairspray from New Line. While New Line is a neutral studio, Hairspray is a timed exclusive on BD. For those not familiar with the term, that means it is going to come to HD DVD, but not until later. The cynical among us might say this is one way WB/NL is testing the sales impact of dropping one format.

Speaking of neutral studios, Warner brings us a Led Zepplin concert.

HD DVD also has a sparse line up this week with only 2 titles exclusive to the format. First is Universal's Tremors, an oddly timed title as it would have fit in with last month's holiday theme more than this one. Second, and last, is Paramount's HD remaster of the classic Star Trek. This title has been long awaited and hotly debated as it is coming out only on HD DVD combo disk. That's right, there is no SD only version of this release. This tactic has long been touted as HD DVD's weapon of mass destruction to unleash. Predictions for its sales range from selling on the order of a regular DVD box set, to a failed DVD box set, still making it a hot selling HD title, to an HD flop/middle seller.

No matter what you believe, this is one of the titles that were a major part of the coup in getting Paramount exclusive. The others have failed to win HD DVD a week in the Nielsen/Video Scan Numbers. Can Captain Kirk, aided by an Amazon promo that is shifting 3 free movies with every A3 sold, finally beam up a win or will John McClain bring the Enterprise down by crashing his car into it? We find out on Friday, November 30th.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Please make your prediction with BD:HD even if you are going to predict HD DVD winning the week. Also, you are predicting the BD numbers, the HD DVD is implied. If I am confused, I will ask you for clarification if there is time before the deadline. Otherwise, you are stuck with how I read it.

This thread is not for the discussion of math, the advantages or disadvantages of either format, an analysis of the Nielsen numbers, any other source of sales figures (unless they are a reason you are making your prediction) or any insults.

I will post my prediction around 23:59 Eastern time Wednesday. My prediction marks the end of the entry period. You may change your prediction any time up until then.

Again, nothing but predictions and the odd, friendly comment on other people's predictions.
Nielsen contest entries for 11/30/2007

Code:
NAME                BD:HD
lonestarwings       80:20
ehomer              75:25
geko29              74:26
badboi              73:27
Winn                73:27
splinters           72:28
Jim Morrison        72:28
anttimonty          71:29
SGRSBSKIER          71:29
JackBee             71:29
wipron              71:29
Reylas              71:29
Husso               70:30
ataxic_dentist      70:30
tonngo0             70:30
Robert Spalding     70:30
frizshizzle         70:30
digicam95           70:30
merv43              70:30
hassoon             69:31
dc_pilgrim          69:31
CRFTony             69:31
edgebsl             69:31
Aresca              69:31
phansson            69:31
UxiSXRD             69:31
fitprod             69:31
Raxel               69:31
Rooper              69:31
DanTou              68:32
jkwest              68:32
TheCuze             68:32
Ronin_R6            68:32
neillkirn           68:32
TPigeon2006         68:32
LynxFX              68:32
manikin             68:32
Woodshed            68:32
Azumi               68:32
extra_hc            68:32
stefanpaulmayer     68:32
huntaar             68:32
tiger roach         67:33
eightninesuited     67:33
Rich Peterson       67:33
RDarrylR            67:33
spacejamz           67:33
Evan702             67:33
Sketcha             67:33
MASrules            67:33
MRMOTA              67:33
JimboTHX1138        67:33
Elwar               66:34
Chris NYC           66:34
ICBM99              66:34
Kemet               66:34
JAC6                66:34
IntoTheBlu          66:34
mossman22           66:34
wrobe73928          66:34
gljvd               65:35
khwiggins2          65:35
JoeFigueiredo       65:35
gdeep               65:35
Leviathin25         65:35
soremekun           65:35
chirpie             65:35
audiomixer          65:35
trondmm             65:35
user friendly       65:35
lomax               65:35
Calamus             64:36
ninjanki            64:36
habscolts           64:36
Vov76               64:36
shamus              64:36
elikhom             64:36
sciolist            64:36
ricwhite            63:37
ToddUGA             63:37
crimsona            63:37
donricouga          63:37
allargon            63:37
Will d s            63:37
JeffY               63:37
Assayer             63:37
nyg                 62:38
basano              62:38
CochiseGuy          62:38
PrinceLH            62:38
gand41f             62:38
venk                62:38
jwdav               62:38
yampan              61:39
m1cst4rr            61:39
Brian Hampton       61:39
Optica              61:39
Greg Kettell        61:39
ottscay             61:39
Everdog             61:39
Bill0711            61:39
GizmoDVD            61:39
Kable               60:40
caesartheboxer      60:40
mswoods1            60:40
hammie34            60:40
Baccusboy           60:40
aaronwt             60:40
online              60:40
plazman             60:40
theflux             60:40
Grubert             60:40
eurotrance          59:41
Clark Burk          59:41
Lbarber             59:41
William             59:41
Andy_Dandy          58:42
dmcfan              58:42
dildatonr           58:42
coolhand            58:42
Jocky Wilson        58:42
bato                58:42
bolaar              58:42
vancamp             56:44
roadmanc            55:45
rcutlass70          55:45
Numanoid101         55:45
PopcornReady        55:45
alfbinet            55:45
iontyre             55:45
Blu-Devil           55:45
todrigo             55:45
randori             54:46
Steve Schauer       54:46
studiotan           54:46
Chris_TC            53:47
GmanAVS             53:47
darinp2             53:47
bori                52:48
chipvideo           52:48
Vader               52:48
bigdaveman          50:50
xradman             50:50
user4avsforum       50:50
jwebb1970           50:50
Kosty               49:51
rdjam               49:51
BuGsArEtAsTy        49:51
george king         48:52
SquirrelPhister     47:53
kcmurphy88          47:53
MattHD              46:54
Jonto81             45:55
briankmonkey        40:60
Shmack              30:70
kkozma              30:70

New Releases included in this weeks numbers:

HD DVD
Tremors (Universal)
Star Trek: The Original Series - Season One (Paramount)
Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same (Warner)

BD
Badder Santa: The Unrated Version (Buena Vista)
The Santa Clause 3: The Escape Clause (Buena Vista)
Hairspray (New Line)
Die Hard (Fox)
Die Hard 2: Die Harder (Fox)
Die Hard with a Vengence (Fox)
The Die Hard Collection (Fox)
Live Free or Die Hard (Fox)
Pathfinder (Fox)
Rescue Dawn (MGM)
Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same (Warner)
post #2 of 451
Thread Starter 
Perfect Picks:

Code:
4
trondmm (6,7,8,13)

3
hammie34 (1, 5,7)
BrynRhys (3,4,11)
GmanAVS (4,5,15)
MASrules (7,8,16)

2
Ilka (3, 6)
Darinp2 (1,7)
Sketcha (7,8)
Wet1 (7,8)
TNO821 (7,8)
dad1153 (3,8)
Ronin_R6 (6,8)
shamus (3,8)
Grubert (6,10)
BuGsArEtAsTy (7,11)
ToddUGA (8,11)
dumbswede (8,12)
extra_hc (10,12)
Kork (11,12)
TPigeon2006 (8,13)
gand41f (3, 13)
theflux (12,13)
oregoncalfroper (13,14)
Rooper (11,14)
Vov76 (10,14)
Kable (13,15)
aaronwt (6,15)
huntaar (11,16)
spacejamz (11,16)

1
frizshizzle (16)
Optica (16)
LynxFX (16)
bolaar (16)
user4avsforum (15)
george king (15)
allargon (15)
aaronwt (15)
MarekM  (14)
phansson (14)
geko29 (14)
MrXpress (14)
venk (14)
Brian Hampton (13)
theone2 (13)
chipvideo (13)
Reginald Trent  (13)
mlankton (13)
bunkaroo (13)
wipron (13)
Greg Kettell (13)
Neo1965  (13)
Bill0711 (13)
rob71 (13)
anotheraviator (12)
frasersean (12)
SquirrelPhister (12)
GeorgeLV (12)
manikin (12)
lomax (12)
alfbinet (12)
neillkirn (12)
ack_bk (12)
stefanpaulmayer (12)
kevivoe (12)
ChristopherB (11)
edgebsl (11)
FortySix&2 (11)
user friendly (10)
Kemet (10)
Reylas (10)
Blu-Devil (10) 
patrick99 (10)
pdusk88 (10)
philnerd (10)
PrinceLH (10)
SGRSBSKIER (9)
soremekun (8)
todrigo (8)
edo9125 (8)
samcan07 (8)
JeffY (8)
Everdog (8)
assayer (8)
CochiseGuy 
mswoods1 (8)
-diVe- (8)
patrick99 (8)
iontyre (7)
Raxel (7)
ddelrio (7)
Enigma (7)
MichaelHDDVD (7)
Numanoid101 (7)
audiomixer (6)
HiddenDepth (6) 
crimsona (6)
tgraphics (6)
online (6)
Noggin1980 (6)
teacher_man99 (5)
blainehamilton (4)
donricouga (4)
Baccusboy (4)
nakedeye (4)
fitprod (3)
Steverhcp02 (3)
whippersnapper (3)
Woodshed (3)
Rastor (2)
Pecker (2)
ICBM99 (2)
Jocky Wilson (2)
bboisvert (1)

Weekly Stats
Code:
Week    Picks   Perfect High            Actual  Low             Mean    Median  Mode
1       74      3       75 (13) [60]    62      50 (12) [12]    65.14   65      64
2       90      4       88 (22) [73]    66      58 (8) [13]     68.3    68      68
3       94      9       75 (4) [11]     71      55 (16) [74]    68.46   69      70
4       98      6       81 (13) [69]    68      55*(13) [23]    69.27   71      72
5       107     3       70 (14) [89]    56      40 (16) [15]    59.64   60      60
6       122     11      70 (10) [87]    60      45 (15) [24]    62.29   62      62
7       132     14      72 (11) [67]    61      45 (16) [51]    61.26   62      62
8       139     22      74 (11) [38]    63      50 (13) [89]    61.99   62      63
9       137     1       69 (15) [130]   54      40 (14) [6]     60.47   61      60
10      146     11      83 (15) [35]    68      45 (23) [100]   64      64      64
11      150     10      78 (7) [15]     71      35 (36) [125]   66.41   67      70
12      184     15      76 (25) [68]    51      2 (49) [101]    47.91   49      51      
13      174     17      70 (15)  [99]   55      20 (35) [58]    56.34   57      55
14      172     8       86 (15) [21]    71      27 (44) [143]   62.51   65      68                      
15      177     6       93 (28) [163]   65      48 (17)  [9]    74.20   75      75
16      177     7       72 (6) [16]     66      20 (46) [154]   59      60      60      
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*outrageous guess ignored
post #3 of 451
Thread Starter 
(In)Frequently Asked Questions

1-How did this whole thing start?

People would post predictions in the main Nielsen thread Grubert was running. Eventually, Jiffylush kept track of them and it became a game. When the massive off topic posts and infighting made tracking predictions too hard, Jiffy looked to get out and I took over. I came up with a scoring system and started the weekly contest.

2- Why is it now a separate, weekly thread? (Or, This is a waste! Why even bother with this garbage?)

The fighting in Grubert's thread got the thread closed late in the first week. To allow people to still predict, I started a new thread with harsh rules on discussion. The mods made it clear that going OT in the new thread would not be tolerated. The game is currently getting over 90 entries per week. Those 90 posts would clutter up the main Nielsen thread.

As for the way this question is usually worded, it's fun! Also, if people want to be close, they need to take off their partisan glasses. People also make predictions for fun or, sometimes, to make other posters question their sanity.

3- How does scoring work?

This one actually is frequently asked.

a- A prediction is posted.
b- The real numbers come out.
c- For every percent the prediction is off, the poster gets a point.
d- The total number of points received over the course of several weeks is added up. This is what I call a person's score.
e- The score is divided by the number of weeks a person has entered guesses. This is called their average score. The average score is what is used to compare how well people are doing.

4- So what is the Nielsen Videoscan and Home Media Magazine?

This is what we use to get the actual sales percentages. Home Media Magazine (HMM) publishes the weekly Nielsen First Alert data every Friday.

5- What is the Nielsen First Alert data?

Nielsen, yes the same people who do TV ratings, track the sales of all video media. They do so by gathering the information from actual stores that sell DVD, BD, HD DVD and other video formats. Last I heard, they cover approximately 40% of the video market. However, since much of the areas they do not cover are not selling high definition discs of any sort (food stores, convince stores, bulk discounters) they cover a larger percentage of the HD market.

6- Who do we know are included?

Major brick and mortar consumer electronics stores. Grubert has confirmed Amazon.com reports to them.

October6, 2006 list of contributors.

7- Who is not included?

Wal*Mart and affiliated stores (most notably Sam's Club).
post #4 of 451
60:40
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64:36
post #6 of 451
Gotta think this is the HD-DVD next (last?) great chance this year with the Amazon deal and Star Trek.

46:54
post #7 of 451
I have a feeling HD-DVD will push things up a bit this week.

58:42
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73:27
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48:52 because of the Star Trek: Season 1 release.
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70 30
post #11 of 451
67:33

Yippie keyah....
post #12 of 451
59:41
post #13 of 451
68:32
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56:44
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65:35
post #16 of 451
There is no DVD only version so how the Star Trek titles are counted is a big factor. If they had a DVD only version my vote would be 80:20 but factoring that in I think HD DVD should take it just not sure by how much yet..
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70:30
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52:48
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61:39
post #20 of 451
68:32

I have been consistently underestimating when will i learn damn my +- 4
post #21 of 451
Star Trek is selling so poorly, i've read that a few stores havent shifted more then 1 copy. Its pretty aweful. I hear its expected to only sell 10-20k copies total, so this should be a BD landslide.

71:29 BD:HD
post #22 of 451
Quote:
Originally Posted by JackBee View Post

Star Trek is selling so poorly, i've read that a few stores havent shifted more then 1 copy. Its pretty aweful. I hear its expected to only sell 10-20k copies total, so this should be a BD landslide.

71:29 BD:HD

I think you've failed to factor this into your calculations.

ted
post #23 of 451
62 Blu
38 HD DVD
post #24 of 451
hd 60:40 bd
post #25 of 451
69:31
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64:36
post #27 of 451
68:32

I bet many early adopters are Star Trek fans... But they probably are Die Hard fans too. And, Star Trek is so expensive...
post #28 of 451
72:28
post #29 of 451
80:20
post #30 of 451
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanTou View Post

68:32

I bet many early adopters are Star Trek fans... But they probably are Die Hard fans too. And, Star Trek is so expensive...

You should rent 'Die Hard 1' the PQ is that bad.
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