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post #1381 of 3625
2/19/09 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

Looking at the Y value measured for white (189.489 for ANSI white, 155.311 for IRE100 white), it appears that the ANSI Contrast pattern is based on computer/PAL RGB values of 255 and (probably) 0 for white and black, whereas the black then white full field on/off contrast patterns use 16 and 235 for black and white. Am I reading the data correctly and is this intentional?

(I would have compared this against the HCFR disk, but unfortunately that is a PAL disk, so even if it might be 0-255 in the PAL version, my second, multiregion player should remap the Y values to NTSC studio range, and I have other indications that it clips BTB and WTW.)

Thanks,
Bill

I think you are right, Bill. I found this post a few pages back:
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

- 1 and 254 levels were used for ANSI contrast, while 16 and 235 were used for contrast black and white images. This seemed to match the other materials I had available for comparison.

I guess I'm not sure why.
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post #1382 of 3625
2/19/09 at 1:28pm
Thanks. I did a search for ANSI Contrast, and looked at the most recent of them, but must have missed this one. I should have looked as far back as the announcements.
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post #1383 of 3625
2/19/09 at 1:34pm
I should add, however, that I am not getting the same result as you. My white values for ANSI contrast are consistently lower than the On/Off white values.
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post #1384 of 3625
2/20/09 at 5:50am
quick question about AVS HD v1.2:

I cannot see the menus (I get a black screen with only the selection rectangle visible). the rectangle does move up/down. Thereafter I can select and go to patterns, that works fine.

I am mounting the BD ISO and playing on Power DVD.

BTW, the old version still works fine.
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post #1385 of 3625
2/22/09 at 1:58pm
Sorry for stupid question but does AVCHD v1.2 contain 1080/24p test patterns or are they still interlaced?
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post #1386 of 3625
2/22/09 at 2:01pm
As an FYI, PowerDVD 7.3 now plays this disc, but there's no images visible anywhere in the menus. Basically it's black on all the screens. Progress.

Has anyone else gotten this to play on their PC? If so, did you use PowerDVD?
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post #1387 of 3625
2/22/09 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski View Post

Sorry for stupid question but does AVCHD v1.2 contain 1080/24p test patterns or are they still interlaced?

24p now.

-Bill
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post #1388 of 3625
2/22/09 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

24p now.

-Bill

Really, that's great. Thanks. I was just about to order DVE Blu-ray version just because of 24p content but obviously no need for it now.
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post #1389 of 3625
2/23/09 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by angryht View Post

I think you are right, Bill. I found this post a few pages back:
I guess I'm not sure why.

I think that is just the way its done for ANSI contrast. I'm not sure why, but from what I remember, it would have been out of line with other ANSI contrast patterns/measurements if it was not done this way.
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post #1390 of 3625
2/24/09 at 7:17pm
I know the roxio burner software is a non-freeware but that is the only one i have. So before i start to burn, i would like to know if this software is still compatible for this operation, to burn Avs Hd 709?
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post #1391 of 3625
2/25/09 at 5:51am
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Roxio is listed in http://iso.snoekonline.com/iso.htm so I have to guess the software can burn an iso image.
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post #1392 of 3625
2/25/09 at 5:54am
I'll be using the disc to calibrate a plasma, and I've read that it is important to use windowed patterns for that.

OK, so which ones? Small, Large, APL?

The instructions led me to believe APL windows would be best for plasma. OK.

If the APL patterns are not necessary, is there any harm/benefit to using them anyway for all display types, or should they only be used if needed??

Assuming I go with the APL windows, what about the difference between small and large windows? Is there a reason for using one over the other?
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post #1393 of 3625
2/25/09 at 6:14am
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For grayscale I would say to just use the typical window patterns for plasma. For color you could use either the typical or APL patterns. The APL patterns should be relative to each other for color Y adjustment, and the typical windows might vary depending on the display. The common mention of how say red is supposed to be about 21% of white assumes that the measures are relative to each other. As far as large or small APL patterns, ideally they would measure about the same.
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post #1394 of 3625
2/25/09 at 6:15am
This is the exact same problem as what I have. I have PDVD 8.

Any solution?
Anyone?


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Originally Posted by JCollum View Post

As an FYI, PowerDVD 7.3 now plays this disc, but there's no images visible anywhere in the menus. Basically it's black on all the screens. Progress.

Has anyone else gotten this to play on their PC? If so, did you use PowerDVD?
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post #1395 of 3625
2/25/09 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

Roxio is listed in http://iso.snoekonline.com/iso.htm so I have to guess the software can burn an iso image.

i read somewhere that it was removed to be used a an option to burn this software.

Is this true?
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post #1396 of 3625
2/25/09 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by amp pop View Post

i read somewhere that it was removed to be used a an option to burn this software.

Is this true?

On my Windows Vista laptop, I have Roxio Creater DE 10.2. I was able to successfully burn the AVCHD image onto a DVD+R and my Panasonic DMP-BD35 reads it just fine.
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post #1397 of 3625
2/25/09 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

On my Windows Vista laptop, I have Roxio Creater DE 10.2. I was able to successfully burn the AVCHD image onto a DVD+R and my Panasonic DMP-BD35 reads it just fine.

thanks for the input but i have roxio .9 version, sowill this work?
Also when did u burn this software, cause i read that it was a non freeware program avd is not in use anymore.

U have the 10.2 version and i have the .9 version, will this be a problem?
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post #1398 of 3625
2/25/09 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by amp pop View Post

thanks for the input but i have roxio .9 version, sowill this work?
Also when did u burn this software, cause i read that it was a non freeware program avd is not in use anymore.

U have the 10.2 version and i have the .9 version, will this be a problem?

I can't confirm for you anything specific about Roxio 9; Roxio 10 came with my new laptop last fall. I burned the older 1.1 AVSHD disk first, then the new 1.2 release just after it came out in late January.

If you really mean Roxio 0.9, that would be quite a while ago, and I'm pretty sure pre-dates DVDs.

Good luck,
Bill
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post #1399 of 3625
2/26/09 at 10:37am
CalMAN v3.3 adds DVD player automation for the AVS HD disks. If you are a CalMAN user and have a USB-UIRT IR controller we support the full automation of pattern display to meter reading.

CalMAN v3.3 RC1
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post #1400 of 3625
2/27/09 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by rajdude View Post

This is the exact same problem as what I have. I have PDVD 8.

Any solution?
Anyone?

Same problem here, also with powerdvd 8. To get the disc to play from my mounted image I also had to use "open files from hard drive" and then select the image drive. Really weird problem. Everything else works fine from the image drive...
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post #1401 of 3625
2/27/09 at 1:23am
Hello,

Is there any way I could re-author this disc or the MP4 files so I can play back the AVCHD patterns at 24fps 1080p on my Panasonic BD35? It will only play at 60Hz and there is no way of forcing it.

I do understand the AVSRec709 patterns are authored at 24Hz don't get me wrong, but my Panasonic doesn't want to know. It's fine with playing back blu rays at 24Hz but can't manage it on the AVCHD disc.

My Benq W5000 has different CCA memories for 24Hz/50Hz and 60Hz so I can only calibrate 60Hz therefore I need a disc that will run at 24Hz.

Been trying to use a PAL calibration disc and struggling to hit the primaries but maybe I can't use the PAL disc since they are not Rec709 patterns.

Alternative is to find someone with a Blu ray burner but not had any luck there or just buy DVE Basics Blu ray. Prefer not to as the AVS Rec709 disc is perfect.

Thanks,
GGB
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post #1402 of 3625
2/27/09 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by GGB View Post

Hello,

Is there any way I could re-author this disc or the MP4 files so I can play back the AVCHD patterns at 24fps 1080p on my Panasonic BD35? It will only play at 60Hz and there is no way of forcing it.

I do understand the AVSRec709 patterns are authored at 24Hz don't get me wrong, but my Panasonic doesn't want to know. It's fine with playing back blu rays at 24Hz but can't manage it on the AVCHD disc.

My Benq W5000 has different CCA memories for 24Hz/50Hz and 60Hz so I can only calibrate 60Hz therefore I need a disc that will run at 24Hz.

Been trying to use a PAL calibration disc and struggling to hit the primaries but maybe I can't use the PAL disc since they are not Rec709 patterns.

Alternative is to find someone with a Blu ray burner but not had any luck there or just buy DVE Basics Blu ray. Prefer not to as the AVS Rec709 disc is perfect.

Thanks,
GGB


Will the parameters you are adjusting with the AVS disc be affected by frame rate enough that you could not use the same settings?
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post #1403 of 3625
2/27/09 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by Cristo View Post

Will the parameters you are adjusting with the AVS disc be affected by frame rate enough that you could not use the same settings?

I guess not now you mention it Cristo, I suppose I could calibrate my projector in 60Hz mode and transfer the x,y,Y data for primaries and secondaries to 24Hz CCA mode afterwards.

An easy and obvious solution in the end.

Thanks for the help Cristo.
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post #1404 of 3625
2/27/09 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by GGB View Post

Hello,

Is there any way I could re-author this disc or the MP4 files so I can play back the AVCHD patterns at 24fps 1080p on my Panasonic BD35? It will only play at 60Hz and there is no way of forcing it.

I do understand the AVSRec709 patterns are authored at 24Hz don't get me wrong, but my Panasonic doesn't want to know. It's fine with playing back blu rays at 24Hz but can't manage it on the AVCHD disc.

My Benq W5000 has different CCA memories for 24Hz/50Hz and 60Hz so I can only calibrate 60Hz therefore I need a disc that will run at 24Hz.

Been trying to use a PAL calibration disc and struggling to hit the primaries but maybe I can't use the PAL disc since they are not Rec709 patterns.

Alternative is to find someone with a Blu ray burner but not had any luck there or just buy DVE Basics Blu ray. Prefer not to as the AVS Rec709 disc is perfect.

Thanks,
GGB

Did you rip AVS-HD on DVD-R media or DVD+R media? And have you ever verified whether your player will work with other ripped content on that media? Some players work better with one media type than the other. Your solution might simply to be to re-rip on the other media type.
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post #1405 of 3625
2/27/09 at 10:06pm
amp pop -- There is no need to worry about Nero versions (the older versions will work, but it is a little hard to find the section for doing a burn of an ".iso" image file).

If you look at post #1, under "Steps to use Downloads", item #4 ("Burn a Disc"), there is a link to the free "ImgBurn" software which is very easy to use and will burn a DVD with no problems.
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post #1406 of 3625
2/28/09 at 3:50am
Hey folks,

I've just spent the last couple of hours searching these forums for an answer, to no avail, so your help is much appreciated.

I own a Panasonic AX200E, and I'm calibrating it using the .mp4 files played through my Popcorn Hour A-100 via HDMI, through a video reciever, to my projector.

I've calibrated the brightness using the flashing black bars (only 17 and up are visible).

I've calibrated colour and tint using my THX blue glasses. (Can barely see the flashing boxes).

Things are looking good, but I can't calibrate the contrast, or white level. No matter where I set the contrast, I don't see any flashing white bars. Not a thing.

Why is this? Does it matter? Where should I set the contrast?

Many thanks,

JD.
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post #1407 of 3625
2/28/09 at 7:22am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by GGB View Post

Is there any way I could re-author this disc or the MP4 files so I can play back the AVCHD patterns at 24fps 1080p on my Panasonic BD35? It will only play at 60Hz and there is no way of forcing it.

I am really not sure what that player is doing. There are a couple 24p settings that show in the manual. There's a whole thread on the player at doom9, so I'll see if they've figured out the 24p issue.
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post #1408 of 3625
2/28/09 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by caeci11ius View Post

Same problem here, also with powerdvd 8.

Like with the BD-35, I suppose I could add this to the known issues in the original post. Again, I'm not really sure why computer software is treating the AVCHD different than standalone players. If the prior version works, http://www.sendspace.com/file/ezc4ye then I suppose the easiest thing to do would be to revert back to the previous authoring software for AVCHD, using the current general layout. For some reason my player shows the old authoring software menus at reduced resolution, the menus are limited to 12 items, and pop-ups are not allowed. Those are the only direct limitations I remember, besides the section numbering being different. So I suppose we could go back to authoring the AVCHD with the prior software. At this point I'm undecided, so one requirement would be to check that the prior version works without issue.
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post #1409 of 3625
2/28/09 at 8:07am
Hi, anyone tried the HD-DVD version on their HTPC with Arcsoft TotalMedia theatre? The resolution test doesn't play. When I check the EVOs individually, I can open them all (with TMT and MPC-HC) except for HV001T01.EVO, where I suppose the resolution tests are, since they aren't in the other EVOs. With PowerDVD 7.3, the res tests do open.
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post #1410 of 3625
2/28/09 at 8:08am
Also, anyone using this with ATI cards? The HD-DVD res test on PDVD 7.3 is not giving me 1:1 mapping on the horizontal lines. The bluray test is OK with both PDVD 7.3 and 8. With TMT, the bluray test doesn't give me 1:1 on the verticals, but the horizontals are OK. The HD-DVD resolution tests don't run, as indicated above.

This only happens with ATI cards, with Nvidia cards all is fine in both programs.
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