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post #2191 of 3881
Here are also some general "rule-of-thumb" recommendations we recommend:

Bright Room: 50-60 fL
Dim Room: 40-50 fL
Theater Room: 30-40 fL
Theater Room Projector: 14-30 fL

This of course, measured at 100 IRE luminance level.
post #2192 of 3881
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Have a look at the backlight threads in the Calibration forum: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/searc...rchid=15743043.

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-Bill


Thanks. The link, however, doesn't work.
post #2193 of 3881
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

Thanks. The link, however, doesn't work.

Go to the top level of the Calibration forum, click Search This Forum, do Advanced Search and select "in titles only" and search for "backlight".

-Bill
post #2194 of 3881
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Go to the top level of the Calibration forum, click Search This Forum, do Advanced Search and select "in titles only" and search for "backlight".

-Bill


Got it. Thanks to all!

Jim
post #2195 of 3881
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Originally Posted by louerhardt View Post

Here are also some general "rule-of-thumb" recommendations we recommend:

Bright Room: 50-60 fL
Dim Room: 40-50 fL
Theater Room: 30-40 fL
Theater Room Projector: 14-30 fL

This of course, measured at 100 IRE luminance level.

I have the following question about fL for LCD TV in a bright room:

I calibrated my Panny projector AE4000 for a light-controlled environment with 14 FL @ 100IRE. Everything is fine, including the overall picture brightness. Then I went ahead to calibrate my Samsung LCD TV. Since I always do my TV viewing with a lot of in-room lighting, I thought 50 fL is probably the target for me to go. However, the before-calibration measurement revealed that ~12 fL @ 100IRE and gamma of 2.11. The fL seems incredibly low but I'm comfortable with that level of brightness (at a viewing distance of 9 ft). So I ignored that "recommendation" of 50 fL and calibrated the set with the resulting gamma of ~2.0 (since the viewing environment is bright) and ~11 fL @ 100IRE. I am comfortable with the overall picture brightness. How to explain the fact that my result is so different from the "recommended fL"?

The calibration environment was totally dark; and the colorimeter (Spyder3)was sit tight on the LCD screen.
post #2196 of 3881
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Originally Posted by dominickwok View Post

I have the following question about fL for LCD TV in a bright room:

I calibrated my Panny projector AE4000 for a light-controlled environment with 14 FL @ 100IRE. Everything is fine, including the overall picture brightness. Then I went ahead to calibrate my Samsung LCD TV. Since I always do my TV viewing with a lot of in-room lighting, I thought 50 fL is probably the target for me to go. However, the before-calibration measurement revealed that ~12 fL @ 100IRE and gamma of 2.11. The fL seems incredibly low but I'm comfortable with that level of brightness (at a viewing distance of 9 ft). So I ignored that "recommendation" of 50 fL and calibrated the set with the resulting gamma of ~2.0 (since the viewing environment is bright) and ~11 fL @ 100IRE. I am comfortable with the overall picture brightness. How to explain the fact that my result is so different from the "recommended fL"?

The calibration environment was totally dark; and the colorimeter (Spyder3)was sit tight on the LCD screen.

If you are calibrating in a totally dark environment, 50fL is going to be like a flashlight! I personally can't even stand 30fL.. only maybe during daytime.
In a totally darken room, 12-14 is what I feel like really good enough. 11 might be a bit low, but it is all about your own taste. A bit higher may give you the extra "pop".
The next thing to do is watch yours in a bright setting. I am pretty sure 11fL is not going to be enough for you if you turn on a few light.
post #2197 of 3881
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

If you are calibrating in a totally dark environment, 50fL is going to be like a flashlight! I personally can't even stand 30fL.. only maybe during daytime.
In a totally darken room, 12-14 is what I feel like really good enough. 11 might be a bit low, but it is all about your own taste. A bit higher may give you the extra "pop".
The next thing to do is watch yours in a bright setting. I am pretty sure 11fL is not going to be enough for you if you turn on a few light.

I do watch it in a bright setting (i.e. with in-room lighting) with 11 fL. Not sure if it is the issue related to my measurement, or in fact my eyes are not adapted to such "bright" (> 11 fL) pictures in a LCD TV.

For projector, I'm perfectly fine with 14 fL in a dark environment.
post #2198 of 3881
11 fL is pretty close to the range. You mainly want to avoid getting down into the mid single digits, as that starts to infringe on perceived picture quality. Personal preference is a phrase I generally like to avoid when discussing calibration settings, but I think you can certainly make a valid case to be on the lower side of the range, especially if you are the type with more sensitive eyes or one that watches for extended periods of time.
post #2199 of 3881
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Originally Posted by dominickwok View Post

However, the before-calibration measurement revealed that ~12 fL @ 100IRE and gamma of 2.11. The fL seems incredibly low

Yes it's quite low. It's unlikely it's correct since at that level a typical direct view display would be completely washed out by almost any light that impinged on the front.

I'm assuming that when you say bright you don't mean simply relative to your projector settings but you mean typical evening lighting in your living room.
post #2200 of 3881
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Yes it's quite low. It's unlikely it's correct since at that level a typical direct view display would be completely washed out by almost any light that impinged on the front.

I'm assuming that when you say bright you don't mean simply relative to your projector settings but you mean typical evening lighting in your living room.

Yes, I meant the evening lighting in the living room.

Thanks both bodosom & Louerhardt for your response.
post #2201 of 3881
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Originally Posted by Odonata_00 View Post

Both the AVCHD file and the PATCHED file work on the LG BD550.

Thanks for the player feedback.
post #2202 of 3881
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Originally Posted by SharksFan1 View Post

I am trying to calibrate my LG 42LB5DF.
can not get my TV to show the full picture, with no overscan.

I glanced at the manual and didn't see much there that would possibly affect overscan. The only thing I can think of would be to ask in the owners thread where people would be more familiar with the TV.
post #2203 of 3881
Downloaded...now to give it a shot. Thanks
post #2204 of 3881
First of all, thanks for putting this together.

As far as my Philips BDP3020/F7 with latest firmware, it doesn't work with either the Patched or AVCHD burned discs.

But does work with the HDMV disc.

I ended up using the MP4 files on my PC connected to my 32EX400 through VGA input.
post #2205 of 3881
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

First of all, thanks for putting this together.

As far as my Philips BDP3020/F7 with latest firmware, it doesn't work with either the Patched or AVCHD burned discs. I don't have a blu-ray burner so can't test the HDMV patterns.

I ended up using the MP4 files on my PC connected to my 32EX400 through VGA input.

The HDMV version will fit on a DVD. Some (most?) BR players will accept BR video on DVD.

-Bill
post #2206 of 3881
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Some (most?) BR players will accept BR video on DVD.

One of the Magnavox players was reported to not play the AVCHD or Patched, but it would play HDMV on DVD. The online specifications for the Philips do not list AVCHD, and it does list BD-R/RE, so it's possible it may play HDMV on DVD. The "Write files/folders" option in ImgBurn can be used to do this. The program should identify the need to switch the disc formatting from the defaults and ask the user if the change should be made, or else the UDF formatting can be set on the options tab for "Filesystem = UDF" and "UDF Revision = 2.5".
post #2207 of 3881
Yeah thanks guys, I tried burning the HDMV files to dvd using ImgBurn like suggested and it worked great. Calibrating away.
post #2208 of 3881
Hello guys,

I'm new to this, I bought my first plasma today, it is a Panasonic TH-P42A20M and I'm looking to adjust the settings the best I can. I downloaded the DVD, however, I don't really know where to start. Will running the "Basic Settings" menu be enough? I don't have any calibration software or programs you are talking about, all I have is my plasma, this DVD, and a PS3 to run the DVD. Any suggestions or recommendations?

Thank you very much.

post #2209 of 3881
DVDs are useful in getting Brightness, Contrast, Color and Tint fairly close on your display. If you are unfamiliar with how to use the patterns, this forum and many YouTube videos have some great descriptions of this.

Remember that Brightness is your Black Level and affects shadow details - the difference between a video black and the next step up. Contrast is your white level - here you ensure there is a visible difference between the brightest white and the next step down on the greyscale.

I recommend seeing how some patterns are used, and again YouTube has some great videos to reference in this regard.

Good Luck and enjoy the new TV!
post #2210 of 3881
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Originally Posted by mustafanasser View Post

Hello guys,

I'm new to this, I bought my first plasma today, it is a Panasonic TH-P42A20M and I'm looking to adjust the settings the best I can. I downloaded the DVD, however, I don't really know where to start. Will running the "Basic Settings" menu be enough? I don't have any calibration software or programs you are talking about, all I have is my plasma, this DVD, and a PS3 to run the DVD. Any suggestions or recommendations?

Thank you very much.


Have you looked at one of the Patterns documents attached to the first post in this thread? It has instructions.

I just do the basic settings by eye myself. To do color you'll need a blue filter unless your display has a blue-only calibration mode. I use the THX glasses: http://www.costore.com/THX/producten...=87&pid=930793

-Bill
post #2211 of 3881
Thanks for doing AVS HD 709! I've found it to be very thorough.
I'd like to get some of this, especially the APL patterns, to play on a WD TV Live via a USB Cruzer stick.
I downloaded the MP4 files and put them on. They play, but the WD doesn't skip back and forth in the chapters; for example, I can't skip from the 0% to 10% patterns.
Is there anything I can do to fix this? If I get a bigger USB stick, I could put one of the different format .iso files on it, but I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to media servers and burning disc images, so I don't know if that would fix the problem.
post #2212 of 3881
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

Thanks for doing AVS HD 709! I've found it to be very thorough.
I'd like to get some of this, especially the APL patterns, to play on a WD TV Live via a USB Cruzer stick.
I downloaded the MP4 files and put them on. They play, but the WD doesn't skip back and forth in the chapters; for example, I can't skip from the 0% to 10% patterns.
Is there anything I can do to fix this? If I get a bigger USB stick, I could put one of the different format .iso files on it, but I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to media servers and burning disc images, so I don't know if that would fix the problem.

Unlikely the WD TV can read .iso file...
You try fast-forward? It might take a while, but usually each pattern last for like 3-4 mins, and it should advance on its own. If you can skip chapters, maybe you can fast-forward it... I personally have not try, so that's all just my $0.02.
post #2213 of 3881
While using Misc patterns A4 - Flashing primary colors, I find the red boxes to be flashing when viewing through a red filter(My TV has inbuilt Red,Green,Blue filter). Green and Blue boxes show little to no flashing when viewed through respective filters. I am a bit hesitant to adjust the color since green and blue seems ok.. Should I adjust the Red color/Red tint/Red contrast/Red Brightness? Please advice..
post #2214 of 3881
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Unlikely the WD TV can read .iso file...
You try fast-forward? It might take a while, but usually each pattern last for like 3-4 mins, and it should advance on its own. If you can skip chapters, maybe you can fast-forward it... I personally have not try, so that's all just my $0.02.

Yes, it does fast forward. I guess that can do in a pinch. Thanks!
post #2215 of 3881
I've found fast forwarding is pretty clumsy and time consuming, though it does work.
What about downloading the images themselves? The WD TV live can display images or video. Spectracal uses it displaying photos as a pattern generator. That's actually what I have, but I think it would be very helpful to have APL patterns and some others, so I'm trying to add to it.
I've looked through the thread for a while and can't find any info if that is possible.
post #2216 of 3881
Thread Starter 
MP4 doesn't directly support chapters. There are some work around options, but none seemed to be widespread enough to consider including. The current MP4 version was just created to fulfill requests for a more computer-centered version with as little time invested as possible. Having individual video clips would probably make more sense for the MP4 version, but it's not how the main Blu-ray based project was developed. Having individual clips would appear to work for the WD TV Live, since the manual lists skipping between video clips. On a quick search the only other possibly viable option I ran across would be using mkv chapters from a pulldown menu on the WD TV Live.

Attached are the files that we use to create the Basic Settings (decompress .zip and .7z). The "1-BasicMod.avs" can be used to create the first chapter from the Basic Settings if you place the .yuv files in C: on your computer and follow the instructions from step 3 in http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post16837914 to create the video. The rest of the project could be produced this same way, but the files here are just an example of what would be required for anyone that might be interested in having individual MP4 clips.

 

AVS.zip 196.3974609375k . file

 

1-BasicMod.zip 0.4599609375k . file
post #2217 of 3881
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dbdante View Post

(My TV has inbuilt Red,Green,Blue filter). Green and Blue boxes show little to no flashing when viewed through respective filters. I am a bit hesitant to adjust the color since green and blue seems ok.. Should I adjust the Red color/Red tint/Red contrast/Red Brightness?

Red color and red tint would probably correspond with the test if you have that much control. Current mainstream TVs usually don't have that option to split colors and they just come with one color and tint control, so I cannot really anticipate any items that might arise from adjustment. The two TVs that I've spent much time with that had these sort of options had different items to consider when making changes. Basically where I'm going here is that I would personally be more comfortable making these sorts of changes if there was a meter to check any other changes that might happen, or else I'd have to fall back on just watching video material to check what subjective changes happened with adjustment.
post #2218 of 3881
any chance this great the AVS HD 709 can be uploaded to anywhere less lame them sendspace ?

I've Tried for almost 1 hour now and sendspace is in unavailable =(

rapidshare, megaupload, torrent, anything would be great.
post #2219 of 3881
That's interesting. I just tried and I can get it done in 5-10 mins...Maybe retry it again?
post #2220 of 3881
Downloaded it now after 10 retries.

Well.. it's still a bad place sendspace.

I'm off to college now but I'll upload to rapidshare and megaupload when I get back.
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