AVS HD 709 - Blu-ray & MP4 Calibration - Page 80

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The PS3 is one of the players that will not play HDMV from DVD. AVCHD includes some information that the PS3 requires to play the disc from DVD media. Both versions share the same video files.

To create the current version labeled AVCHD I tried using the HDMV and multiAVCHD re-author. I figured out why the previous PATCHED version would not play correctly on PowerDVD and fixed that. I hadn't ran into this item.

Based on some text in the multiAVCHD program, and other comments, I have a theory at what could be going on. The menus you see on screen can be created a couple different ways. My best guess is that the Panasonic is expecting a different type of menu for AVCHD, and the other players are not respecting this expectation. If this is the issue, I'm not aware of a way to fix it without knowing a lot more about Blu-ray/AVCHD authoring.

The AVCHD could be authored separately with a true AVCHD authoring program, like the last version. It's just a rather large project to consider, especially since I use HDMV and have no personal interest in AVCHD. I somewhat anticipated this might happen again, like what happened with v1.2, but I still haven't decided what to do with it. Really the current version marked AVCHD is simply an improved PATCHED version. The most expedient thing to do would be to rename the AVCHD to REAUTHOR or PATCHED. I'm not sure I can at all justify the sort of time investment a true AVCHD authoring would take unless this turns out to be a much larger issue.

Thanks for the feedback. This supports what I suspected. Three replies above this I posted a comment that is also relevant for your player. The next part probably won't make much sense without reading that reply first.

On Doom9 people talk about in-mux and out-of-mux menus. In-mux menus have the background and the controls in the same stream (single m2ts file), while out-of-mux menus have different streams (two m2ts files) for the menu controls and background. The new version uses an out-of-mux menu, while all the previous versions use in-mux menus. The out-of-mux menu allowed me to solve the previously-reported PowerDVD issue, but it seems to be the cause of the new Panasonic playback item. I've read that AVCHD is supposed to have in-mux menus, so the Panasonic players are basically just going by the book the same as PowerDVD not playing the v1.3 Patched version.

I'm not currently aware of a way to solve both the PowerDVD and Panasonic items, without doing a complete AVCHD re-author. That's what was done for v1.3, and it could be recreated. I think the AVCHD includes over 90 sections, but it might be quicker to just do a reauthor than trying to figure out a way to mux the menus based on what I've seen so far. Doing the chapters with BDedit might be faster than how they were done on the last version.

Building the AVCHD is much easier than the HDMV, because it doesn't offer popup menus or items like the top navigation, but it's still a significant task and makes the project more complex from a development standpoint. For example I believe the AVCHD authoring was why CalMAN continued to host the old version. Currently I'm leaning towards again creating a true AVCHD, like was done for v1.3, but it will take some time. Likely it will end the project, and any future pattern changes from CalMAN, ChromaPure, or ColorHCFR will be unsupported, simply because 3 distinct versions where I have no interest in 2/3 makes no sense to continue.



I'll take it you mean HDMV on DVD media.


Anyway, thanks to everyone for the good feedback. I had figured the two snags hit so far might show up. If using the .iso for Blu-ray holds I'm at least 1 for 3 on guesses.

All the releases have been standard 1080p, so I don't know how the new version is any different.

Thanks for the feedback. There will probably be some sort of a re-author. I suspected some players could end up balking at the re-authoring but it didn't show up in initial testing. This is a rather large change and I haven't decided how to handle it yet.

The newest version of BDedit has some new editing functions that were unavailable the last time I looked at AVCHD compatibility. I have one last idea that I'm going to try to correct a multiAVCHD issue that I previously encountered. If that works on my players, I'll need some Panasonic testing later. The upside would be that popup menus would remain, but the way the top menu works would have to change. It took me about half a week to figure out the PowerDVD issue, so this could take some time. I pulled the first post because the AVCHD is the most popular version.

HDMV is a Blu-ray format, and it's very hit or miss on DVD media. Generally the playback varies by manufacturer. Except for the PS3, Sony will play it. Denon and Magnavox will. Apparently the recent Panasonics are a no.

Thanks for the reply. I'll take it this was AVCHD.

Yeah, the idea I wanted to check out for a fix also looks like a long shot. I have not found any tools to convert Mpeg-2 video to AVC video, while also retaining the menu controls that are included in the .m2ts files. I can demux, trancode to AVC, and remux the attached video, but the menu controls from the .m2ts are lost in the process.

 

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I've looked at the patterns on my Sony player and two computer decoders. I'm not seeing anything unusual.



The text was dimmed by request for plasma displays, and all the AVC video was recoded based on newer information.



Based on this I wasn't really going to consider it, but since I'm going to have to make a test disc for the Panasonic playback I may throw some other patterns on it for this. Since I'm not seeing anything unusual, my best guess is that maybe it has to do with what I think may be referred to as dithering on plasmas. I don't have a plasma to consider the idea, and without more feedback I don't have much of a guess.

The top menu, APL menus, ChromaPure, and the HDTV Calibration video were the ideas I liked enough to make Version 2. The initial AVCHD idea was a disaster, so I'll eventaully make a new one. So far I haven't had any ideas I like enough to address this on the HDMV, but the consistent top menu and popup menus are going to have to be scrapped on the AVCHD. I suppose I could fit the main menu text into 2.35:1 on the AVCHD. For me the project is mainly about trying out different design ideas and seeing how they turn out, so I'll throw it on the list for the AVCHD and see if I can come up with anything I like.



The navigation is intended to be uniform in some respects. The main menu should always start at Basic Settings. Up on Meter Position should always go to Basic Settings. So you could count over three places right of Basic Settings for CalMAN, even if you can't see it. The sections are all intended to go to Windows as the initial choice.