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post #3451 of 3881
You have to set contrast so that you can see the 235 blinking, if the other (236 and above) are blinking too it is okay - that only means that your display can show more "whites", but theese whites are not used when you are watching bluray - cause they´re mastered at 16-235. My display shows 16-249 (i think rolleyes.gif). I think the European Samsung-LED´s can show 235 and above withoute problems (every Samsung LED i have calibrated), and your player is set to standard, you dont have to switch to enhanced.

Or did i missunderstood your problem?
post #3452 of 3881
+1
Your contrast is too high resulting in clipping.
post #3453 of 3881
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Originally Posted by dlj11 View Post

You have to set contrast so that you can see the 235 blinking, if the other (236 and above) are blinking too it is okay - that only means that your display can show more "whites", but theese whites are not used when you are watching bluray - cause they´re mastered at 16-235. My display shows 16-249 (i think rolleyes.gif). I think the European Samsung-LED´s can show 235 and above withoute problems (every Samsung LED i have calibrated), and your player is set to standard, you dont have to switch to enhanced.
Or did i missunderstood your problem?

Ok, thanks. No, I didn't want to switch to Enhanced mode cause as you said Blu-rays are mastered for limited range YCbCr. But I noticed that the blue and red channels in colored blinking pattern were hidden while in Standard mode, hence I tried Enhanced mode and they appeared.

Hm, but when 236 and above are also blinking, does it not mean that I have a dirty white at value 235 (not a pure white) later? How can be a white whiter than a white? White is unique. ^^
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Originally Posted by kjgarrison View Post

+1
Your contrast is too high resulting in clipping.

Could you explain a little bit further what is clipped away and in which direction, please? I put it up so high because the white was better with this value. How should I start with the first pattern (black brightness pattern)? With all values (brightness, contrast, backlight, ...) to max or min? And after that adjust or does it not matter?

Btw this is an adjustment for my Blu-ray player. How should I proceed with my DVB-C source? Can I use the settings from my Blu-ray player? It is the same color space, isn't it?

How can I see whether my gamma setting is right? And what is better: Auto or Native mode for Colour Space?

When you answer, could you please also explain the reason why it should be set to some value, because I want to understand it for the next time. Otherwise the values are like magic for me. I am actually still a beginner in calibrating and it is not easy to get it right. TIA! smile.gif
Edited by mnemonix - 10/30/12 at 12:17pm
post #3454 of 3881
Did you download and read the pdf manual for the AVS 709 Disk that explains each pattern an how to properly use it ? Also there are videos with instruction on the basic use, did you watch them?
Manual can be found here
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8968806/Patterns-Manual.pdf
post #3455 of 3881
Ooops. Thanks for that. Seems to be that I overlooked that. I've read it now and adjusted my TV again. The picture looks good now and hopefully right. And I discovered how awful dynamic contrast is. It absolutely destroys the gray values. Good that it is disabled now. Actually all my enhancements are disabled and I think it is good as it is. Thanks again. smile.gif

My values now:

- Backlight: 7
- Contrast: 90
- Brightness: 44
- Sharpness: 13
- Colour: 42
- Tint: G46/R54
- Black Tone: Off
- Dynamic Contrast: Off
- Gamma: 0
- Colour Space: Auto
- White Balance: Default
- Flesh Tone: 0
- Edge Enhancement: Off
- xvYCC: Off
- Colour Tone: Normal
- Size: 16:9
- Screen Mode: 16:9
- Digital NR: Off
- HDMI Black Level: Normal
- Film Mode: Off
- 100 Hz Motion Plus: Standard
- Blue Only Mode: Off

edit: Btw when I want to calibrate the TV as a PC monitor (with full RGB range), how should I proceed there? Should I calibrate for values from 0 to 255 without clipping at 16 and 235? I mean 0 and 255 as reference black and white.
Edited by mnemonix - 10/30/12 at 2:43pm
post #3456 of 3881
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

Did you download and read the pdf manual for the AVS 709 Disk that explains each pattern an how to properly use it ? Also there are videos with instruction on the basic use, did you watch them?
Manual can be found here
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8968806/Patterns-Manual.pdf

I searched for the videos and couldn't find them. Could you please provide a link.

Thanks.
post #3457 of 3881
Oh, I thought there was a video portion on the disk.. maybe I am thinking of some other disk I have..
post #3458 of 3881
There is its under basic patterns if remember right, they are made by hdnation.

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post #3459 of 3881
Very stupid question as I don't know anything about calibration. I will soon get a P51E8000 sammy plasma.

Do I need to calibrate the tv only using a BD player? Can't I just put it in a pen drive and run from the TV?
post #3460 of 3881
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Originally Posted by visca blaugrana View Post

There is its under basic patterns if remember right, they are made by hdnation.
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

Oh, I thought there was a video portion on the disk.. maybe I am thinking of some other disk I have..

Thanks guys, I found them (after my post) on HD Nation and they were linked on the first page of this thread.
post #3461 of 3881
I'm preparing to calibrate my JVC X30 projector which will arrive in a week or so.

I haven't waded through every post on this thread but I understand the AVS disc can be used with either ChromaPure, Calman or HCFR. (I have an i1 Pro already for digital photography).

Between Calman and HCFR is there a software that people here have preferred?

Thanks,

Dave M
post #3462 of 3881
trying to calibrate my Acer monitor and can't get black clipping to move.

i tuned brightness from 0 to 100 on the monitor but couldn't get the black clippings to move at all

am i doing something wrong? i was able to get white clipping to where i wanted though.
post #3463 of 3881
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

trying to calibrate my Acer monitor and can't get black clipping to move.
i tuned brightness from 0 to 100 on the monitor but couldn't get the black clippings to move at all
am i doing something wrong? i was able to get white clipping to where i wanted though.

I'm having the same problem, but I think it's related to the software player. I tested on Kmplayer and it shows the blinking parts on the first black pattern. If I use Media Player Classic, nothing blinks on the black pattern. Don't know what's wrong with MPC confused.gif
post #3464 of 3881
Thread Starter 
I don't use too many computer monitors, but I think I've read that sometimes the brightness settings on monitors are used to adjust the backlight rather than where clipping actually occurs. If that's the case, you might need to use software solutions (player, video driver settings, etc.) to try to adjust clipping near black.
post #3465 of 3881
can i play AVS HD with panasonic ut50 via usb stick or hdd?
post #3466 of 3881
I don't really understand how the blue filters work, but I'm wondering if this idea might work.
Does anyone think it would be possible to develop an iPhone app that would use the camera to view the screen and apply a blue filter to the app?
post #3467 of 3881
Thanks to all that contributed to make this disc ! wink.gif
post #3468 of 3881
Hi!

I've re-authored portions of the AVSHD disc for use with Calman 5 (With permission of the AVSHD author.) It's set up to make working with Calman 5 much easier and includes re-authored Saturation Sweeps--along with other patterns-- that are in the correct order for Calman 5. Nothing new, just in a format that's much easier to use with Calman 5. Right now all patterns are sourced from AVSHD v2d, and the authors deserve all of the credit.

To use it, select "Generic Calibration DVD" as the source, and "AVS 709 Sweeps" under Saturation Sweeps in settings.

It's authored for a Bluray disc, sorry I don't have a version for AVCHD on DVD. The ISO is just under a gig, I'll zip it soon and let you know how big the zipped file is.

Here's the thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1444813/easycal-hd-re-authored-avshd-disc-for-use-with-calman-5
post #3469 of 3881
If I use the AVS HD 709 with my PS3 to calibrate my Panasonic ST50 is the calibration only for whatever I play on the PS3 or would it transfer correctly to a dish DVR connected to the same HDMI input?
post #3470 of 3881
If your ps3 is set up correctly for video then the setting should be fine for other device that use HDMI

Video Settings

BD Internet: "Allow"
BD/DVD Cinema Conversion: "Automatic"
BD/DVD Upscaler: "Normal"
BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI): "Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr" for TVs, "RGB" for PC Monitors
BD 1080p 24Hz Output: "Automatic"
BD/DVD Dynamic Range Control: "Off"
BD/DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI): "Linear PCM"
BD/DVD Audio Output Format (Optical Digital): "Bitstream"

Display Settings

RGB Full Range (HDMI): "Limited"
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI): "On"
post #3471 of 3881
And for watching TV ? Are the settings found with the PS3 ok for watching regular Tv channel (SD OR HD) ?
post #3472 of 3881
Ok, so stupid question, but...if I make a disc on a dvd recordable media, will I still get all the benefits of 1080p playback for all calibration material on this disc?

Also, does anybody have a suggestion for calibrating dvd players? What is a good alternative to DVE at this time? I will search here in case there is something analogous to AVS HD 709 for dvd players.
post #3473 of 3881
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

Ok, so stupid question, but...if I make a disc on a dvd recordable media, will I still get all the benefits of 1080p playback for all calibration material on this disc?

Yes.
Quote:
Also, does anybody have a suggestion for calibrating dvd players? What is a good alternative to DVE at this time? I will search here in case there is something analogous to AVS HD 709 for dvd players.

Disney World of Wonder has both BR and DVD editions.

I think Avia is gone; is there no longer a DVE DVD?

I liked the downloadable GetGray disc, but it was not free. I haven't seen any thread traffic for a while. See http://www.calibrate.tv/

-Bill
post #3474 of 3881
I think I have a DVE DVD somewhere but it was a bear to navigate. I will find it and use that for now.

I also may have an older get grey iso downloaded (I may have contributed) so I could burn that to a dvd. If I don't but it's a really good disc for calibrating dvd players I would be willing to spend up to $10 for it.

Is the Disney World of wonder disc could for calibrating? I have a THX optimizer on my old Tron SE dvd but it is optimized for that movie on that disc only.

thanks for the excellent feedback,

smile.gif
post #3475 of 3881
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

I think I have a DVE DVD somewhere but it was a bear to navigate. I will find it and use that for now. I also may have an older get grey iso downloaded so I could burn that to a dvd.

Is the Disney World of wonder disc could for calibrating? I have a THX optimizer on my old Tron SE dvd but it is optimized for that movie on that disc only.

thanks for the excellent feedback,

smile.gif

Yes, navigation was a problem on some of those discs. AVS HD 709 and GetGray are much easier.

I've heard Disney WOW is good for non-technical users, but I have not seen it myself.

-Bill
post #3476 of 3881
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpc View Post

I think I have a DVE DVD somewhere but it was a bear to navigate. I will find it and use that for now.

I also may have an older get grey iso downloaded (I may have contributed) so I could burn that to a dvd. If I don't but it's a really good disc for calibrating dvd players I would be willing to spend up to $10 for it.

Is the Disney World of wonder disc could for calibrating? I have a THX optimizer on my old Tron SE dvd but it is optimized for that movie on that disc only.

thanks for the excellent feedback,

smile.gif

I have a DVE DVD and sat for over an hour the other day trying to navigate. By the time I found the actual calibration stuff I was w/o patience. The darkness worked fine but I couldn't see a difference in contrast no matter what I did. I then moved onto the colors and also couldn't see a difference in the first color (blue) calibration I got to so I gave up. Haven't messed with it since.
post #3477 of 3881
Disney WOW DVDs are giving too High of a result for Contrast and Brightness - stick with S&M and the AVS 709 HD DVDs. All three the same for Colour and Tint.
For those with Calman 5 - the 90 to 109 Pattern Work flow gave me the most accurate. But it's fun to manipulate! - and make sure your set is on 10 Point, or your 90 will be Off!
post #3478 of 3881
In the Official Panasonic ST50 thread someone downloaded the AVS HD 709 (mp4, I believe) to a flashdrive and played it through the TV. How is this different than playing it on a disc with a PS3, for example?
post #3479 of 3881
Has anyone have experience with the Sony RCP controls?
Color select, Color, Hue and Brightness are well known, but what is this Range and Position control?



Thanks!
post #3480 of 3881
I can tell you that the PS3 will NOT pass blacker than black or whiter than white unless it's played from an authored disc, other than that I think it would be the same.
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