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post #3541 of 3625
1/23/13 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by osburnfamily View Post

Sure-- Don't feel bad you're not alone in this one. It's a very known & argued/discussed problem with recent updates to the XBOX. I won't go into the real details; but, the jist if it is that correctly switching between YCbCr & RGB is pretty much busted and there's no 100% way to make it work correctly.

But you can get close.

http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/general_discussion/f/135/p/171713/1784906.aspx#1784906

The above xbox forum link has four pages of some pretty intense back and forth.

The jist of it is if you're a gamer, you'll need to set the XBOX 360 Color Space to RGB (not Auto or Source), and the Reference Levels to Expanded. On your TV, set the HDMI Black Level to NORMAL (Not Low). Turn of Dynamic Contrast on the TV, then calibrate with the MP4 disk--
Here's the catch. You'll need to calibrate from the Xbox MediaCenter Extender, NOT the build in MediaPlayer.

I have a Samsung UND8000 and have gone this way and it's the only way that gets me correct games and video playback (netflix, hbo go, amazon, windows media center).

I'm confused about this process. I want to calibrate for xbox 360 gaming on my ST50. Can't I just burn the mp4 AVS HD 709 files to a CD/DVD or copy them to a usb flash drive and then play the patterns on the 360 (using the following instructions: http://www.ehow.com/how_6868844_play-mp4-files-xbox-360.html) or do I still have to use Xbox MediaCenter Extender for a proper calibration?

One other thing, my router is currently not working so I am connecting directly to the modem. Do I need a router to get Xbox MediaCenter Extender onto the 360?
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post #3542 of 3625
1/23/13 at 11:01pm
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Originally Posted by BartMan01 View Post

I'm confused - YOu say you switching to RGB fixed the problems you had with YCbCr but then go on to say that YCbCr is fine.

The sunmaiblog post also seems to contradict itself on this point - one moment it seems to be stating that RBG 0-255 if the 'best' way to go and the next YCbCr 16-235 is 'best'.

No, No. My problem was the colour clipping. I had no idea what was causing that. So after reading the article I decided to reset everything and start from scratch - which included resetting to use RGB. After I got the clipping sorted, I was a little unhappy with the RGB Colour/Tint so decided to try YCbCR (as this is what a Blu Ray is encoded in and so should be better.

It was - spot on. Am reassured by that as thats what the experts (Spears & Munsil etc) say - Use YCbCR.

Caveat : Works for my setup. Others may be different. You have to check using the Colour/Tint test. Maybe there are other ways of doing it - would be good to know what.
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post #3543 of 3625
1/24/13 at 3:07pm
Hello - I picked up a Samsung 120Hz LED set, UN55EH6001, just after Black Friday 2012 and now that I've been watching it for a while, I'm thinking about having someone come out and do a full callibration. I've already gone through the basic settings section of AVS HD 709 and doing that improved the picture noticeably. But I can't help but think there is further improvement to be had simply by using the right tools and software along with AVS HD 709. But I'm not keen on investing hundred$ or thousand$ on the software and equipment needed to do this myself and my schedule is already packed so I'd really rather pay someone who already knows what they're doing.

Problem is, in spite of my searching around for a while, I haven't been able to locate anyone in the Boston area (I actually live about 30 minutes west of Boston, in Framingham) to do it other than the Best Buy/Magnolia/Geek Squad and although I bought the set at BB, I can't say I really trust them with this sort of thing. I must be doing something wrong on this front. I can't believe a metro area like Boston would be devoid of a talented pool of AV callibrators.

My questions for all of you then, are:
  1. Are we talking $250? $500? More? How much more?
  2. Is BB/Magnolia reputable in your eyes or is it kind of hit and miss with them as I'd expect? Anyone have any experience using them?
  3. Does anyone know anyone in the Boston area willing to talk to me about this gig?
  4. I think it's a decent set (this one has an AUO panel), but Samsung's 6000 series is not exactly high-end. Is it therefore even worth the expense to have this done?
  5. Or given the low-end nature of the set, maybe Best Buy *is* the best option. I think they charge about $250 for their service.
  6. Is this even the right thread i.e. are all of you do-it-your-self'ers who are just going to tell me to pony up the dinero and do it myself?

Would definitely love to hear peoples' opinions on this. TIA!
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post #3544 of 3625
1/24/13 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

Hello - I picked up a Samsung 120Hz LED set, UN55EH6001, just after Black Friday 2012 and now that I've been watching it for a while, I'm thinking about having someone come out and do a full callibration. I've already gone through the basic settings section of AVS HD 709 and doing that improved the picture noticeably. But I can't help but think there is further improvement to be had simply by using the right tools and software along with AVS HD 709. But I'm not keen on investing hundred$ or thousand$ on the software and equipment needed to do this myself and my schedule is already packed so I'd really rather pay someone who already knows what they're doing.

Problem is, in spite of my searching around for a while, I haven't been able to locate anyone in the Boston area (I actually live about 30 minutes west of Boston, in Framingham) to do it other than the Best Buy/Magnolia/Geek Squad and although I bought the set at BB, I can't say I really trust them with this sort of thing. I must be doing something wrong on this front. I can't believe a metro area like Boston would be devoid of a talented pool of AV callibrators.

My questions for all of you then, are:
  1. Are we talking $250? $500? More? How much more?
  2. Is BB/Magnolia reputable in your eyes or is it kind of hit and miss with them as I'd expect? Anyone have any experience using them?
  3. Does anyone know anyone in the Boston area willing to talk to me about this gig?
  4. I think it's a decent set (this one has an AUO panel), but Samsung's 6000 series is not exactly high-end. Is it therefore even worth the expense to have this done?
  5. Or given the low-end nature of the set, maybe Best Buy *is* the best option. I think they charge about $250 for their service.
  6. Is this even the right thread i.e. are all of you do-it-your-self'ers who are just going to tell me to pony up the dinero and do it myself?

Would definitely love to hear peoples' opinions on this. TIA!

300 to 400 is the range
I would say hit or miss wouldn't pay for one of their cals
Post in the calibrators where are you located thread someone will certainly get back to you
Not sure what kind of controls you have available but a good calibrator could definitely get more out of it
Again don't recommend Best Buy
You could go DIY but at a minimum you need a I1pro $250 and HFCR software for free
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post #3545 of 3625
1/24/13 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by ShowbizPizza View Post

I noticed that the AVS disc does not play back at 24p when the Panasonic player is set to output 24p, so for now this means I am using my tv's 60hz mode. Does anyone know if the AVS disc is authored at 24 frames per second, or 30? If I get the AVS disc burned to an actual BD (the HDMV version) is it capable of being played back at 24p?

Almost all of the video is 24p. Panasonic players were sort of a question mark with a number of the AVCHD attempts. Part of the reason it made sense to stop this project was because the disc got to a point where it only made sense to make a HDMV version, but since Blu-ray burners never really took off the project would have needed to go commercial one way or another. Anyway, I suspect you would get 24p playback similar to commercial discs if you burned the HDMV to Blu-ray writable media, but it's been a long time since I've tested a Panasonic player to say for sure how my testing went on the players sold a few years ago. Generally at that time I never remember any player that had an issue with HDMV, and just a few of the very first Blu-ray players were unable to play Blu-ray writable media.
Edited by alluringreality - 1/24/13 at 9:01pm
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post #3546 of 3625
1/25/13 at 12:58am
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

Almost all of the video is 24p. Panasonic players were sort of a question mark with a number of the AVCHD attempts. Part of the reason it made sense to stop this project was because the disc got to a point where it only made sense to make a HDMV version, but since Blu-ray burners never really took off the project would have needed to go commercial one way or another. Anyway, I suspect you would get 24p playback similar to commercial discs if you burned the HDMV to Blu-ray writable media, but it's been a long time since I've tested a Panasonic player to say for sure how my testing went on the players sold a few years ago. Generally at that time I never remember any player that had an issue with HDMV, and just a few of the very first Blu-ray players were unable to play Blu-ray writable media.

I've tested myself 2 differents panasonic players bdt120 and bdt320 with the AVCHD version burn to DVD, the pattern are played in 24p wink.gif
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post #3547 of 3625
1/25/13 at 7:32am
I found very interesting thing from the small crosshatch pattern in AVSHD disc. When I ran this pattern in my screen, I saw the brightness of this pattern is not same.
If you look at this resized image, you may see darker square box from the lower left corner. Can you see? I see the same issue from my screen when running 1080p image, too.



If I capture the original pattern using PC, save as an image from AVSHD then bring it to my Oppo player via USB memory, I see still them. Even If I flip it, I see them at the upper right corner.

Is this known issue? If not, can you fix it?
Edited by freebits - 1/25/13 at 10:50am
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post #3548 of 3625
1/25/13 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

300 to 400 is the range
I would say hit or miss wouldn't pay for one of their cals
Post in the calibrators where are you located thread someone will certainly get back to you
Not sure what kind of controls you have available but a good calibrator could definitely get more out of it
Again don't recommend Best Buy
You could go DIY but at a minimum you need a I1pro $250 and HFCR software for free

Thanks, Chunon. Will post over there for sure. I'd venture the controls on my set are decent enough for additional improvements. For instance, white balance and gamma settings I haven't touched and even subtle adjustments there could make a difference. Thanks again.
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post #3549 of 3625
1/26/13 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

Almost all of the video is 24p. Panasonic players were sort of a question mark with a number of the AVCHD attempts. Part of the reason it made sense to stop this project was because the disc got to a point where it only made sense to make a HDMV version, but since Blu-ray burners never really took off the project would have needed to go commercial one way or another. Anyway, I suspect you would get 24p playback similar to commercial discs if you burned the HDMV to Blu-ray writable media, but it's been a long time since I've tested a Panasonic player to say for sure how my testing went on the players sold a few years ago. Generally at that time I never remember any player that had an issue with HDMV, and just a few of the very first Blu-ray players were unable to play Blu-ray writable media.


Thanks for the info. Do you know of any way I could purchase a Blu-Ray of the HDMV version? I don't have access to a Blu-Ray burner.
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Originally Posted by realzven View Post

I've tested myself 2 differents panasonic players bdt120 and bdt320 with the AVCHD version burn to DVD, the pattern are played in 24p wink.gif

How were you able to do this?! I have the BDT-500 and I can't get it to play back at 24p?
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post #3550 of 3625
1/27/13 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by ShowbizPizza View Post

Thanks for the info. Do you know of any way I could purchase a Blu-Ray of the HDMV version? I don't have access to a Blu-Ray burner.
How were you able to do this?! I have the BDT-500 and I can't get it to play back at 24p?
The 'AVS HD 709' fits on a DVD. If you don't have a DVD burner some of the Kinko have a cd/dvd duplication service, I don't know if they are willing to do 1 dvd.
There is no need to use BD-R disc.
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post #3551 of 3625
1/27/13 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by ShowbizPizza View Post

Thanks for the info. Do you know of any way I could purchase a Blu-Ray of the HDMV version? I don't have access to a Blu-Ray burner.

Or, pick up a Pioneer Blueray burner at the Egg for $70 and BD-Rs for about $1.50 a disc.
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post #3552 of 3625
1/29/13 at 10:08am
Was anyone a bata tester for this?
http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-entertainment/mobile-apps/thx-tune-up-app-for-ios/
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post #3553 of 3625
1/29/13 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by kevlartigger View Post

Was anyone a bata tester for this?
http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-entertainment/mobile-apps/thx-tune-up-app-for-ios/

The last time I did a THX calibration (After going through all my DVDs just to find it - and appears it hasn't been upgraded in Years!), did Not Like the Results! Has anyone a clue as to where there might be a lot more current version? (Besides on the iPad, iPod, or iPhone?)
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post #3554 of 3625
1/29/13 at 5:54pm
Greetings

The THX Calibration disc (Blu ray) is typically given out at trade shows to attendees that visit the booth. It is also given to those that attend the THX Video Calibration courses.

Not for sale in their THX store front.

So it exists and those are the two places to get them for now.

regards
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post #3555 of 3625
1/29/13 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by Michael TLV View Post

Greetings

The THX Calibration disc (Blu ray) is typically given out at trade shows to attendees that visit the booth. It is also given to those that attend the THX Video Calibration courses.

Not for sale in their THX store front.

So it exists and those are the two places to get them for now.

regards

Way up 250 Miles North of Toronto - no such `Give out luck'!
THX Calibrator came up here and calibrated 3 of my sets, and left no THX Blu-ray discs - only 3 misaligned TVs, that I had re-do! (But I do have 3 nice THX stickers on all my sets!)
Edited by p5browne - 1/30/13 at 10:22pm
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post #3556 of 3625
1/31/13 at 4:25am
Hey guys quick question here im a bit confused about
I cant tell if my TV is a full or limited RGB, basically when i get to the part where the blinking gray bars on the black background, if i have the PS3 set on full it will get to right before the reference black and stop no matter how high i turn the brightness past that, on limited it will go all the way to the very end if i turn it high enough

Which is the correct one? Should i be using full and notching it to just when i see the first bar appear before reference black, or use limited and do the same thing? Like i said they both get to just before the reference black level, its just that limited has the ability to go higher if i choose to and full the bars will stop right before reference black no matter how high i turn it (Though i can get them all to disappear completely if i turn it low enough

My TV is a 42EX440 Sony bravia if that helps

Thanks!
Edited by testgenesis - 1/31/13 at 4:32am
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post #3557 of 3625
2/1/13 at 2:21pm
How do results compare when using Blu-ray/MP4 to using a Pattern generator?
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post #3558 of 3625
2/4/13 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

I found very interesting thing from the small crosshatch pattern in AVSHD disc. When I ran this pattern in my screen, I saw the brightness of this pattern is not same.

It may be related to the video encode process. I think the AVCHD uses video and the HDMV uses an image for the noted pattern. The HDMV should be cleaner and come closer to matching the original:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration/3390#post_22305141
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post #3559 of 3625
2/4/13 at 12:15pm
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How do results compare when using Blu-ray/MP4 to using a Pattern generator?

Generally the answer to this question depends on your electronics. All of my video players can be set to output standard video levels, so there's basically no difference against using a pattern generator. I also use an LCD-based display with fixed lighting, so my display also doesn't vary depending on the displayed image, but other display types may vary measurement data depending on the displayed image. If you use a pattern generator it's typically a good idea to check how video players you want to use will operate in comparison to the pattern generator.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration/3480#post_22747364
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration/3480#post_22787264
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post #3560 of 3625
2/4/13 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by ShowbizPizza View Post

Do you know of any way I could purchase a Blu-Ray of the HDMV version? I don't have access to a Blu-Ray burner.

I don't know if there are currently any online companies that would do "Blu-ray Duplication" for a single disc.
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post #3561 of 3625
2/4/13 at 12:48pm
Some people just don't get a hint. lol
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post #3562 of 3625
2/4/13 at 4:28pm
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I cant tell if my TV is a full or limited RGB

By default most TVs expect a limited input and computer monitors typically expect a full range input. Since this forum is focused on video calibration, the typical recommendation is to set your video player and display to use limited or typical video levels. The following link has settings reported for the PS3 to output standard video levels.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration/3450#post_22706396
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post #3563 of 3625
2/6/13 at 9:27am
Spears and Munsil new DVD is now been bumped to April, from March.
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2/10/13 at 7:14am
I have problems with playing the AVCHD-Version on my PS3, could someone help me please?

I have burned the AVCHD-Iso to a DVD with ImgBrn (following exactly the description). When trying to play the DVD with my PS3, the disc is displayed as a "Data Disc" and I can´t start it.

Any ideas?

I have burned the DVD with an external Samsung DVD-Drive.

Another question: is the MP4 version as good as a burned version to calibrate a TV? If yes I would simply use that version...
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post #3565 of 3625
2/10/13 at 8:43am
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I have burned the AVCHD-Iso to a DVD with ImgBrn (following exactly the description). When trying to play the DVD with my PS3, the disc is displayed as a "Data Disc" and I can´t start it.

I don't have too many guesses if you followed the "EXAMPLE FOR WINDOWS COMPUTERS" instructions. On step 4 for the AVCHD you should get the MD5: 654920d1f3f1182423ecfbb75ff52263 to indicate everything worked correctly. If you do not get that MD5 for the AVCHD, then there was a problem somewhere along the way. Possible reasons why someone might not get a matching MD5 might be things like a bad download, a problem with storage like a failing hard drive, computer memory issues, or a problem with the burner. I highly recommend that you follow step 4 from the "EXAMPLE FOR WINDOWS COMPUTERS" instructions, since the MD5 is the only check that's needed to find out if you have the intended disc. If you get a matching MD5, the AVCHD disc is expected to play on the PS3. If you didn't get a matching MD5, then the easiest thing to do might be to use a different computer and try downloading again.
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Another question: is the MP4 version as good as a burned version to calibrate a TV? If yes I would simply use that version...

The answer basically it depends on the video player and what you're trying to do. Generally I would recommend using the AVCHD to calibrate for Blu-ray playback on the PS3, but I expect that MP4 playback on the PS3 should match the AVCHD.
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post #3566 of 3625
2/10/13 at 12:07pm
The PS3 will stay on RGB mode unless playing from authored discs so no blacker than black or superwhite if he uses the MP4s.
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post #3567 of 3625
2/10/13 at 1:15pm
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Thanks for the additional information. I don't own a PS3, so I was guessing at how it operates.
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post #3568 of 3625
2/10/13 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Nerix View Post

I have problems with playing the AVCHD-Version on my PS3, could someone help me please?

I have burned the AVCHD-Iso to a DVD with ImgBrn (following exactly the description). When trying to play the DVD with my PS3, the disc is displayed as a "Data Disc" and I can´t start it.

Any ideas?

I have burned the DVD with an external Samsung DVD-Drive.

Another question: is the MP4 version as good as a burned version to calibrate a TV? If yes I would simply use that version...

is the disc you used a DVD-R or DVD-RW? using a DVD-R works perfectly on my PS3 (AVCHD format)
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post #3569 of 3625
2/11/13 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by Nerix View Post

I have problems with playing the AVCHD-Version on my PS3, could someone help me please?

I have burned the AVCHD-Iso to a DVD with ImgBrn (following exactly the description). When trying to play the DVD with my PS3, the disc is displayed as a "Data Disc" and I can´t start it.
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I have downloaded and burned the AVCHD-ISO several times to DVD-R using IMGBurn with no problem burning the disc. Now last week I downloaded the file again here on AVS and the file did not download and extract properly as an ISO file. Did something get corrupted?
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2/11/13 at 10:19am
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There's always the alternate download location for comparison, but generally I would expect more problem posts if it was a server issue. If the main download location results in bad MD5 discs and the alternate download location results in good MD5 discs it might be worth looking into further. The MD5 check in "EXAMPLE FOR WINDOWS COMPUTERS" on step 4 is the easiest way to determine if a correct disc was burned.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=19415515#post19415515
Edited by alluringreality - 2/11/13 at 10:29am
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