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post #961 of 3625
11/4/08 at 8:23am
Thanks for the quick response. Why won't it work?
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post #962 of 3625
11/4/08 at 8:32am
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Quick question. I used this to calibrate my PS3/LCD tv. I was telling my friend about it but he only has a DVD player connected to his LCD tv. Will this correctly calibrate (simple calibration/no tools or colorimeter) his tv with his DVD player?

NO! These are HD (high definition) patterns, and thus the name "AVS HD", and can only be used with a high definition media player (such as your PS3). He'll need SD (standard definition) test patterns to calibrate his TV with his DVD player. You can find those here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852536
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post #963 of 3625
11/5/08 at 5:25am
also, doing "calibration" without tools means: NOT doing calibration, just approximation.
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post #964 of 3625
11/5/08 at 5:51am
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also, doing "calibration" without tools means: NOT doing calibration, just approximation.

True that. I was only doing approximations until I got myself the EyeOne Display LT colorimeter.
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post #965 of 3625
11/5/08 at 4:40pm
I can't get the new AVCHD-v1.iso to playback in pDVD 8. I noticed that the iso is missing hte certificate folder.
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post #966 of 3625
11/6/08 at 11:30am
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I can't get the new AVCHD-v1.iso to playback in pDVD 8. I noticed that the iso is missing hte certificate folder.

Apparently AVCHD doesn't require the folder. I went back and looked at the RC1 version that used Ulead, and it doesn't have the folder either. The only other time PowerDVD came up apparently it had something to do with the system http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post14051697 So for the prior version apparently some PowerDVD builds can play it. http://www.spectracal.com/downloads.html is the prior RC1 version if you want to try that. If the computer doesn't play either version then I have to guess that it's something comptuer-related, but if RC1 would happen to play while the current version doesn't, then it's probably due to the change in authoring programs.
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post #967 of 3625
11/6/08 at 3:15pm
I tried to download and burn the DVD version of the calibration disc. On both the exe and 7Z file they download ok but when burnt to a blank DVD do not seem to have any content and do not play on my DVD player.

Any ideas?

Thanks

G
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post #968 of 3625
11/6/08 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by GougeUK View Post

I tried to download and burn the DVD version of the calibration disc. On both the exe and 7Z file they download ok but when burnt to a blank DVD do not seem to have any content and do not play on my DVD player.

Any ideas?

Thanks

G

This is for Blu-Ray players; won't play on DVD players.

-Bill
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post #969 of 3625
11/7/08 at 4:29pm
Does this guide/tests apply to Rear Projected CRTs using the DVI input?

Thanks,
Chris
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post #970 of 3625
11/7/08 at 6:09pm
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Does this guide/tests apply to Rear Projected CRTs using the DVI input?

Digital Video Essentials contains some patterns and instructions that are focused on CRT. Analog displays have a few behaviors, especially when setting white-level, which are not described here. The portions with instructions here are primarily focused on digital displays, so I would suggest either DVE or Avia for basic instructions on CRT.
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post #971 of 3625
11/9/08 at 5:11pm
If I calibrate my display on one player, does the calibration setting hold true for another player. Or do I have to recalibrate for each player?
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post #972 of 3625
11/10/08 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by silvereyes View Post

If I calibrate my display on one player, does the calibration setting hold true for another player. Or do I have to recalibrate for each player?

Ideally you would calibrate for each player. In my experience, if you are using HDMI and you are sure that the player doesn't have any funky "user" controls, then sharing settings between two devices is usually close. However, I still wouldn't advocate it. It only takes a few minutes to verify each device you have and you will have the peace of mind that each one is correct. Doing it this way can also help you find out weird settings/problems with equipment.
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post #973 of 3625
11/10/08 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by hwjohn View Post

Ideally you would calibrate for each player. In my experience, if you are using HDMI and you are sure that the player doesn't have any funky "user" controls, then sharing settings between two devices is usually close. However, I still wouldn't advocate it. It only takes a few minutes to verify each device you have and you will have the peace of mind that each one is correct. Doing it this way can also help you find out weird settings/problems with equipment.

It's doable for players.

The big problem is: What do you do for different TV sources (OTA/cable/sat)?
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post #974 of 3625
11/10/08 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by kjgarrison View Post

It's doable for players.

The big problem is: What do you do for different TV sources (OTA/cable/sat)?

Unless you have a signal generator, you pretty much have to copy settings for these.
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post #975 of 3625
11/10/08 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by kjgarrison View Post

It's doable for players.

The big problem is: What do you do for different TV sources (OTA/cable/sat)?

For OTA, a signal generator may be the best source. For a cable/sat box, it's pretty much a coin flip.
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post #976 of 3625
11/10/08 at 4:14pm
Plus the fact that no two broadcast stations seem to use the same settings - compounded by compression that is used by the cable/satellite companies (to one extent or another) to increase the number of channel that they can carry.
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post #977 of 3625
11/10/08 at 7:28pm
Having some trouble getting this to work. Downloaded the exe file to imac and burned it to dvd, didn't work. Downloaded the 7z file and don't know how to unzip it with the 7zip stuff for imac. Please help!!!
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post #978 of 3625
11/11/08 at 8:59am
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Downloaded the 7z file and don't know how to unzip it with the 7zip stuff for imac.

Generally I run Windows and I've messed with Linux a bit, but http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19139 looks like it's just a simple GUI. If you drag the 7z file into the screen shown, choose decompress, and hit go does that not work?
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post #979 of 3625
11/11/08 at 9:11am
unzipped it, burned it to dvd, didn't work. PS3 said there was no data on the disc, hd-a35 said it could not read the disc. What am I doing wrong? And I used dvd+rw and I can't get it to be overwritten with a different file. Please help an non-tech savvy fella.
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post #980 of 3625
11/11/08 at 9:24am
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The AVCHD should work with the PS3 and the HD DVD will work with the A35.

For step 3 on how to use the downloads, does the program linked above give you an iso file?

For step 4, once you have an iso file then you need use the file to create a disk. You cannot simply burn the iso to disk. Instead, you have to use the iso to create a disk. http://lifehacker.com/software/mac-o...isc-251758.php is a link google returned with pictures on how to use the Disk Utility with Mac OS X mentioned in the post.
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post #981 of 3625
11/11/08 at 9:45am
No problems uncompressing and burning in Linux using 7z and k3b. Just select the "Burn DVD ISO Image" option and ignore the warning about the file not being a Iso9660 image.

Love the new patterns. I haven't looked at all of them, but are there any primary/secondary chroma ramps? I did see the RGB clip pattern (flashing bars for RGB from 235-254). That's awesome.

--Dan
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post #982 of 3625
11/11/08 at 10:08am
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unzipped it, burned it to dvd, didn't work. PS3 said there was no data on the disc, hd-a35 said it could not read the disc. What am I doing wrong? And I used dvd+rw and I can't get it to be overwritten with a different file. Please help an non-tech savvy fella.

Download the AVCHD, you need to extract the .iso file. Then insert a blank dvd in your computer. If it pops up a menu, choose open disk utility. If not go to applications/ultilties/disk ultility.

Then click burn and choose the .iso you extracted.

Daniel
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post #983 of 3625
11/11/08 at 10:31am
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are there any primary/secondary chroma ramps?

I think all the patterns that are not measurement windows or fields, except the ANSI patterns, show up in the patterns PDF. Generally 1-254 ramps are not something I would want to create myself by hand, so that's why we used the w6rz grayscale ramp. If you're talking ramps of the entire RGB range with the primary and secondary colors, that's the sort of thing that someone would probably have to supply us an image to include. Off-hand I can't think of any photo operations to go from grayscale to color.
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post #984 of 3625
11/11/08 at 10:45am
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After releasing the v1 AVCHD/BDMV I got to thinking the disk could have used a different layout after getting away from the limitations of the Ulead software. For example we could have created a submenu or two on the main menu for CalMAN measurements, instead of how we basically tacked the CalMAN items on the back of the ColorHCFR layout. Probably if we did that sort of thing, and split the ColorHCFR and CalMAN patterns, the main menu would be something like the following:

- Basic Settings
- Misc Patterns
- Resolution Images
- ColorHCFR Windows (grayscale and color windows w/ ColorHCFR RGBYCM colors)
- ColorHCFR Fields (grayscale and color fields w/ ColorHCFR RGBYCM colors)
- CalMAN Measures1
- CalMAN Measures2

For any CalMAN users, if we were to create CalMAN-specific submenus on the AVCHD/BDMV/MP4 versions, what would you want the menu(s) to look like in terms of video sections and patterns? A menu can hold 12 video sections, and a video section can hold any number of patterns.
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post #985 of 3625
11/11/08 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

The AVCHD should work with the PS3 and the HD DVD will work with the A35.

For step 3 on how to use the downloads, does the program linked above give you an iso file?

For step 4, once you have an iso file then you need use the file to create a disk. You cannot simply burn the iso to disk. Instead, you have to use the iso to create a disk. http://lifehacker.com/software/mac-o...isc-251758.php is a link google returned with pictures on how to use the Disk Utility with Mac OS X mentioned in the post.

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Originally Posted by dachness View Post

Download the AVCHD, you need to extract the .iso file. Then insert a blank dvd in your computer. If it pops up a menu, choose open disk utility. If not go to applications/ultilties/disk ultility.

Then click burn and choose the .iso you extracted.

Daniel

Thanks for the quick replies guys, but how do you overwrite what is already on the dvd+rw with the new iMac? I didn't know how to do this so I used multiple discs in order to try each download.
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post #986 of 3625
11/11/08 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by eimajnacnud View Post

how do you overwrite what is already on the dvd+rw with the new iMac?

I really don't know, but - imac erase dvd - in google returned http://www.macobserver.com/tip/2006/06/21.1.shtml
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post #987 of 3625
11/11/08 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by eimajnacnud View Post

Thanks for the quick replies guys, but how do you overwrite what is already on the dvd+rw with the new iMac? I didn't know how to do this so I used multiple discs in order to try each download.

Try what I mentioned, I think it may ask to erase it.

Reagarding the patterns for CalMan, that would be great. I expect to have CalMan soon and hence don't know what patterns are needed. I will ask some one experienced with calman to give some reccomendations.
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post #988 of 3625
11/11/08 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

After releasing the v1 AVCHD/BDMV I got to thinking the disk could have used a different layout after getting away from the limitations of the Ulead software. For example we could have created a submenu or two on the main menu for CalMAN measurements, instead of how we basically tacked the CalMAN items on the back of the ColorHCFR layout. Probably if we did that sort of thing, and split the ColorHCFR and CalMAN patterns, the main menu would be something like the following:

- Basic Settings
- Misc Patterns
- Resolution Images
- ColorHCFR Windows (grayscale and color windows w/ ColorHCFR RGBYCM colors)
- ColorHCFR Fields (grayscale and color fields w/ ColorHCFR RGBYCM colors)
- CalMAN Measures1
- CalMAN Measures2

For any CalMAN users, if we were to create CalMAN-specific submenus on the AVCHD/BDMV/MP4 versions, what would you want the menu(s) to look like in terms of video sections and patterns? A menu can hold 12 video sections, and a video section can hold any number of patterns.

I would download the CalMAN program and maybe follow the CalMAN basic and intermediate sequence from setting brightness and contrast all the way thru the sequence.

Just my $.02
RayJr
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post #989 of 3625
11/11/08 at 3:20pm
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I would download the CalMAN program and maybe follow the CalMAN basic and intermediate sequence

Part of why I asked was just to get an idea if there's much interest in having areas intended specifically for use with CalMAN on the AVCHD, BDMV, and MP4 versions. If so, then the next question is what specifically needs to be included? Assuming there is an interest, then a menu each for windows and fields with the following layout would be my current thought:

Brightness & Contrast (Request to include any CalMAN patterns?)
2 Point Grayscale (Color Temp.)
6 Point Grayscale (Include this or chapter skip with 11pt?)
11 Point Grayscale (or label 10%)
21 Point Grayscale (or label 5%)
75% Color
100% Color
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post #990 of 3625
11/11/08 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

Part of why I asked was just to get an idea if there's much interest in having areas intended specifically for use with CalMAN on the AVCHD, BDMV, and MP4 versions. If so, then the next question is what specifically needs to be included? Assuming there is an interest, then a menu each for windows and fields with the following layout would be my current thought:

Brightness & Contrast (Request to include any CalMAN patterns?)
2 Point Grayscale (Color Temp.)
6 Point Grayscale (Include this or chapter skip with 11pt?)
11 Point Grayscale (or label 10%)
21 Point Grayscale (or label 5%)
75% Color
100% Color

Count me as interested

Would be nice to have the 75% and 100% color patterns to follow the Calman work sequence seperated from the HCFR pattern sequence.
Start with 75% windows
75% white, 75% R, 75%G, 75%B, 75%C, 75%M, 75%Y then 100% white

75% Fields
75% white, 75% R, 75%G, 75%B, 75%C, 75%M, 75%Y then 100% white

Repeate for 100% windows and fields.

Thanks
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