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post #31 of 1755
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

If not for the possibility of an AX3 announcement (Maybe at CES?) I would definitely buy one (although not at list price).

I have a feeling that the Onkyo player essentially is the XA3.
post #32 of 1755
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Originally Posted by tai4de2 View Post

I have a feeling that the Onkyo player essentially is the XA3.

Except all the internal photos on the web show that it IS an XA2.
post #33 of 1755
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Originally Posted by tai4de2 View Post

I have a feeling that the Onkyo player essentially is the XA3.

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Originally Posted by steviec View Post

Correct!
I have one coming this weekend from VE and it is the lowest and best deal around.Give em a call!
I will post my thoughts after I put the player thru its paces.

Say what? I'm hoping that the X-A3 offers a bit more than what the Onkyo has put into the X-A2 to make an 805. (And I'm still of the opinion that the 805 isn't much of an improvement (if any) over an X-A2.)
post #34 of 1755
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Originally Posted by steviec View Post

Correct!
I have one coming this weekend from VE and it is the lowest and best deal around.Give em a call!
I will post my thoughts after I put the player thru its paces.

What is their price on the Onkyo?
post #35 of 1755
Is the Onkyo running the same optical transport as the XA2?

Is there any discernible quality difference in CD Playback?

Jorge
post #36 of 1755
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Originally Posted by steviec View Post

You have to call the number on the site.

The avsforum price I got was $800 and free shipping. Forgive me if I am less than blown away!
post #37 of 1755
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

The avsforum price I got was $800 and free shipping. Forgive me if I am less than blown away!

haha
post #38 of 1755
So the weight is less than that of the XA2 - or it just "feels" like it is?
post #39 of 1755
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Originally Posted by steviec View Post

I will run the DVE test disc and watch some dvds and report my opinion later when I can.

Thanks. Looking forward to what your results show.

(I don't think) anyone has mentioned what the "splash screen" looks like. Does it say "Onkyo" or "Toshiba"?
post #40 of 1755
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Originally Posted by steviec View Post

Got my new HD805 from VE and here is a basic rundown since I haven't really had alot of time to run it.
Basically I think of it as an Toshiba A-35 with a HQV chip.
The build quality and weight reminds me more of the A-35 rather than the XA-2.
The 1080p 60 off hddvd is better than my A-35 and the same as my XA-2, and the 1080p 24 is a bit sharper with smoother motion than my A-35 and Xa-2 so I am definetly keeping it since I am most interested in the 1080p 24 to my Panny 1000u lcd projector..
Bit stream Dolby tru and plus work great to my onkyo 805 reciever.
Load times seem about the same as my A35 which is fast enough but I do not have or care to use a stop watch on it.
I will run the DVE test disc and watch some dvds and report my opinion later when I can.

So your super great price was $800 and free shipping? Are you kidding me!!!!
post #41 of 1755
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

So the weight is less than that of the XA2 - or it just "feels" like it is?

I believe it is an XA2 without the heavy frame around it behind the face plate.
post #42 of 1755
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post

Thanks. Looking forward to what your results show.

(I don't think) anyone has mentioned what the "splash screen" looks like. Does it say "Onkyo" or "Toshiba"?

Neither. It just has the HD-DVD logo in the lower right and tray out/spinning arrow icon that appears in the upper right.
post #43 of 1755
An AVS price should be the AVS price. The phone call lasted 30 seconds and I simply asked the AVS price. They said $800 and I said thank you and hung up.
post #44 of 1755
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Originally Posted by steviec View Post

Here is my follow up:
The player aces every test on the hdvd HQV test disc as expected.
It performs much like my A35 using all the tests on the DVD hd test disc,
and is slightly better than my XA-2 .
Black and white levels are dead on with the blacker than black bar visible at 1080p etc.
Also has the proper 709 color space.
No edge enhancement whatsoever.
Of course it passes all the deinterlacing tests on DVE and the Spears /Munsil disc and seems to perform a slight bit better than the XA-2 on this disc.
Overall I say if you want the best player that will do both dvd and hddvd this is the one to get.
If you only want a player for 1080p 24 get the A-35.
If you want a player that will do both at almost the same level get the XA-2.
The picture is better on this player than the XA-2 but not by much so only you can decide if you want to spend an extra $100 and get it instead of the XA-2.

Thanks for the follow-up.

Have you been able to get into the Picture Adjustment menu?

(I'm wondering since the Onkyo (purposely, perhaps) does not allow the user to access this menu that Onkyo (perhaps) tweaked certain adjustments (sharpness, color enhancement, whatever) in the menu to get its "slightly better" picture over the X-A2.
post #45 of 1755
Nice looking player imo but the price is too much.
post #46 of 1755
Thanks for the update!

1) Are you gonna request the Onkyo "second remote" so you can access the picture adj. menu?

2) How is the SD DVD layer change? (weird ...nobody seems to want to answer this question)
post #47 of 1755
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Originally Posted by steviec View Post

Got my new HD805 from VE and here is a basic rundown since I haven't really had alot of time to run it.
Basically I think of it as an Toshiba A-35 with a HQV chip.
The build quality and weight reminds me more of the A-35 rather than the XA-2.
The 1080p 60 off hddvd is better than my A-35 and the same as my XA-2, and the 1080p 24 is a bit sharper with smoother motion than my A-35 and Xa-2 so I am definetly keeping it since I am most interested in the 1080p 24 to my Panny 1000u lcd projector..
Bit stream Dolby tru and plus work great to my onkyo 805 reciever.
Load times seem about the same as my A35 which is fast enough but I do not have or care to use a stop watch on it.
I will run the DVE test disc and watch some dvds and report my opinion later when I can.

Forgive me but how is 1080p at 60hz the same as your xa2 but at 24fps its sharper?

Sorry I just dont see anything that makes me believe a few of you who say it has a bit better picture then the xa2 because internally its practically the same unit.
post #48 of 1755
I guess everybody's 805's are working perfectly - absolutely no operational complaints on this thread.
post #49 of 1755
I am definitley getting this to replace my XA2 for the main room. Any suggestions on where to buy it? I saw a few sellers at amazon.com but wondering if there is somewhere better.
post #50 of 1755
Can anybody confirm that the LFE/SPDIF issue is gone, and if the 1080i processing is still messed up?
post #51 of 1755
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Originally Posted by FarewellToArms View Post

I am definitley getting this to replace my XA2 for the main room. Any suggestions on where to buy it? I saw a few sellers at amazon.com but wondering if there is somewhere better.

Fry's has them. Value Electronics has them. (I'f I were buying today - I'd definitely pick Value Electronics.)
post #52 of 1755
ABT, Vann's
post #53 of 1755
I received my DV-HD805 yesterday. Some impressions:
Build quality is excellent, for the main unit and also the remote. The piano finish of parts of the remote and the player front looks really high-value. I like the very small red/blue LED which indicates operation. It fits the needs of a dark viewing room very well. Same for the display, the green colored characters are bright and impressive, but can be dimmed and totally switched off if desired.

One negative: while I've got the impression that the Onkyo reads HDDVDs and DVDs very stable, this player is not prone to read errors of bad discs. I got one of the famous 0x4B... error codes with the one bad disc I have. I'll make some tests today with the same disc on a HD-XE1 and a HD-XA1 which I also own.

Regarding the picture quality: I did not make a 1:1 comparison between the HD-XE1 and DV-HD805 yet, but I got the *impression* that the Onkyo produces a sharper image on my display which I've connected through component cables.

I'll try to do a 1:1 comparison sometimes this week, to see whether this is real or just a placebo effect (sometimes your brain suggests that something which is higher priced must be automatically better).

I've watched 2 movies yesterday and so far I'm very happy with the player.

EDIT: some more infos:

My player came with firmware 2.6. It is not region free for DVDs, but will play PAL DVDs and NTSC DVDs out of the box, if the region is correct or not set on the DVD.
post #54 of 1755
Thanks for the report. Interesting that it plays PAL (region free) DVD's. I don't think the XA2 does (I could be wrong).

How's the layer change on SD DVD's?
post #55 of 1755
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

Thanks for the report. Interesting that it plays PAL (region free) DVD's. I don't think the XA2 does (I could be wrong).

How's the layer change on SD DVD's?

I have to add that I'm from Germany and bought this player locally. PAL support was a no-brainer, I would have been very surprised if it was not playing PAL discs (in this case I would have sent the unit back ). NTSC supported as well, as long as the disc has no region.

I'd guess that all the Onkyos sold worldwide do support PAL DVDs (non-region coded). I would bet the Onkyo has more in common with the HD-XE1 than XA2 (PAL support).

Forgive me, although I noticed several inquiries in this thread for how DVD layer change is handled, I did not test it yet. I hope to find the time to try it sometimes this week.
post #56 of 1755
OK a couple of technical questions. So the Onkyo uses a 12bit 297 mhz video DAC with NSV made by? The toshiba uses a 12 bit 297 mhz DAC made by? The Onkyo has 24 bit 192 hz wolfsen 2 channel DAC and Burr Brown 5.1 DAC's. The toshiba were ? bit ? mhz audio DAC's made by sharc. Correct or are they both the same. Does Sharc make the Burr Brown and Wolfsen DAC's
post #57 of 1755
The Sharc is not a DAC - it's a DSP (Zyber got it wrong on his XA2 player review).

Exhibit A: Review of the Toshiba HD-XE1 (European version of the xA2)
(Link).



Caption (translated from German):

Quote:


The chip labeled "1", responsible for the analog audio output, is a high-level Burr Bown PCM1755 192kHz audio DAC.

Exhibit B: partial schematic of the Toshiba HD-XA2

(Link)



And there you have again the PCM1755. The "SHARC 200MHz" is upstream.
post #58 of 1755
Thanks grubert. I found out the video DAC is identical to the XA2. The XA2 has NSV it just isnt advertised. So the units are identical with the exception of the tweaks made by Onkyo.
post #59 of 1755
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

Thanks for the report. Interesting that it plays PAL (region free) DVD's. I don't think the XA2 does (I could be wrong).

How's the layer change on SD DVD's?

I was finally able to check out the layer changes on a couple of discs (such as X2 and Armageddon). Not the greatest in terms of layer change. There were definite pauses (about a half to full second or so) and the receiver lost audio signal for a second or so after the image resumed. It's been so long since I've really watched a DVD that I forgot where a lot of layer changes actually were.
post #60 of 1755
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Originally Posted by Brad Ley View Post

I was finally able to check out the layer changes on a couple of discs (such as X2 and Armageddon). Not the greatest in terms of layer change. There were definite pauses (about a half to full second or so) and the receiver lost audio signal for a second or so after the image resumed. It's been so long since I've really watched a DVD that I forgot where a lot of layer changes actually were.

Brad, I'm curious whether the model sold in the US will play PAL DVDs. Would you be able to test that? PAL compatibility would suggest that the player is indeed an XE1 compliant, from the firmware point of view.

Further: do we know what Onkyo exactly did when they "tweaked" the firmware?
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