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post #301 of 2421
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Originally Posted by inky blacks View Post

Hey I like that! Where can I get one?IB

That's the same unit I got at Best Buy with my coupon.
post #302 of 2421
Why would you want it?

It's not an LG/Zenith?
post #303 of 2421
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Originally Posted by inky blacks View Post

Hey I like that! Where can I get one? IB

Try your local garage sales, flea markets, or Grandma's attic.

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post #304 of 2421
I've seen units like that at hamfests, and even older units that looked like small tube-type radios. I was tempted a time or two but didn't bite

Oh well, in 5 years the hamfest flea market tables will have plenty of "Zenith", "Insignia", "Magnavox" and other CECB's, right with the old computer parts and other boatanchors.
post #305 of 2421
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Originally Posted by haley-SEA View Post

I've seen units like that at hamfests, and even older units that looked like small tube-type radios. I was tempted a time or two but didn't bite

Oh well, in 5 years the hamfest flea market tables will have plenty of "Zenith", "Insignia", "Magnavox" and other CECB's, right with the old computer parts and other boatanchors.

Not to mention yard sales, thrift stores, and PC Recycle. FYI, on my last visit to PC Recycle, I paid a whopping $20 for a Sony Trinitron KV-27TS35 (1992 vintage). Very nice SD CRT in quite good condition, though it weighed 85+ pounds.
post #306 of 2421
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Markey, Dingell Call for Changes to Converter-Box Program

House Telecommunications & Internet Subcommittee Holds Hearing on DTV Transition
By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 2/13/2008 2:08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Broadcasting & Cable View Post

... Martin was praised by Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) for the progress of the 700-megahertz spectrum auction, which raised almost $20 billion, but he was grilled by Markey about a study that suggested that there would be coverage gaps between current analog signals and DTV signals that could leave viewers without channels they had historically received.

Martin said FCC engineers found flaws in the study. He asserted that viewers in the FCC-designated coverage areas today would receive the same signals in digital. He conceded that up to 5% in areas beyond that might lose some channels, although those were not channels they were technically supposed to be getting anyway.

Barry Goodstadt, senior vice president at Centris, says Martin's was an incorrect reading of its study. "In fact, we assumed that consumers had a small or medium-sized omnidirectional antenna," he added. "In point of fact, 75%-83% of consumers have indoor, set-top antennas; about 10% have omnidirectional antennas; and about 10% have directional antennas. Thus our findings actually suggest that consumers will receive better coverage than might actually be the case. ...

Full story: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6532079.html

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post #307 of 2421
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Stores hit for misleading on digital TV
Jeff Richgels 2/13/2008 4:04 pm - The Capital Times

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"Secret shoppers" have found that national TV retailers have been providing misleading or inaccurate information to consumers regarding the coming transition to digital TV, a consumer advocacy group announced today.

A total of 132 stores were visited in cities in 10 states, including Madison, said the Wisconsin Public Interest Research Group (WISPIRG), one of the PIRGs that conducted the survey. In Wisconsin and seven other states, the stores surveyed were Best Buy, Circuit City, RadioShack, Target and Wal-Mart. Local retailers such as American TV and Main Appliance were not included, said Bruce Speight, public interest advocate for WISPIRG.

The surveys were done last fall, except for in Texas and Virginia, where they were done in January.

The findings in the report released today included that sales clerks provided inaccurate information about the Feb. 17, 2009, transition date, about the converters that will be needed for analog TVs without cable or satellite connections, and about the government's coupon program for the converter boxes. ...

Full story: http://www.madison.com/tct/business/272334

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post #308 of 2421
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According to the TV Converter Box Program Website, "Locate a Converter Box Retailer near you" -- https://www.dtv2009.gov/VendorSearch.aspx -- I now have 10 retailers within 5 miles of my home that will carry CECB's. These include BB, CC, RadioShack and Wal-Mart... DTV2009.gov does not say whether these stores actually have stock on the shelves.

I should be one of first to receive my coupons. I requested them on 1/1/2008 at 8:40 a.m. and my Reference # is 48,xxx.

Family viewers in my kitchen and back study room should now be seeing highly improved PQ and additional channels very soon.

Avio
post #309 of 2421
I haven't checked out the Radio Shack, but as of last night my closest Walmart did NOT have them in stock either. On a positive note - at least the associate knew what I was asking about and where he thinks they will be going in the store
post #310 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post

... Walmart ... at least the associate knew what I was asking about and where he thinks they will be going in the store.

Where? -- Between the Hannah Montana novelty night shirts and the KABOOM Shower & Tub Cleaner?

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post #311 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post

I haven't checked out the Radio Shack, but as of last night my closest Walmart did NOT have them in stock either. On a positive note - at least the associate knew what I was asking about and where he thinks they will be going in the store

Our rat shafts, Best Buy and walmart all have them in stock. But the walmart world headquarters is just over in the next county.

The magnavox converters were on the back wall, right next to the $29 DVD players. And the boxes are the same color and about the same size. I walked past them twice and had to ask someone where they were before I could find them.

The sales person said they were getting RCAs in next week, but I've read bad reviews about those....
post #312 of 2421
They are now back on the Circuit City website;

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Zenit...oductDetail.do

Now, $59.99, instead of $49.99.
post #313 of 2421
Any word on analog passthrough for the DTT900 ?
post #314 of 2421
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Originally Posted by DigitalTorque View Post

They are now back on the Circuit City website;

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Zenit...oductDetail.do

Now, $59.99, instead of $49.99.

I figured it was a price posting error that took it off their site. Well, I will get it from Radio Shack just because it's closer.

$19.99 for any electronic box that does something or anything is not too bad.

IB
post #315 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post

Any word on analog passthrough for the DTT900 ?

The official NTIA CECB webpage, https://www.ntiadtv.gov/cecb_list.cfm marks "models [that are] capable of passing analog signals through to the TV set" with an asterisk (*). There is no asterisk next to the DTT900 line item.

However, as you may be implying, specifications in lists sometimes contain misprints.

There's no comparison to hands-on testing.

Avio
post #316 of 2421
That's why I'd like to see some word from someone who has tried it out.
post #317 of 2421
Any of the boxes have S-video I don't see any with it?
post #318 of 2421
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Originally Posted by vincentprice View Post

Any of the boxes have S-video I don't see any with it?

I know the Channel Master box does have an S-Video output:

http://www.pctinternational.com/chan...2A_200801b.pdf
post #319 of 2421
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Originally Posted by vincentprice View Post

Any of the boxes have S-video I don't see any with it?

See Converter Box Comparison thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...c#post13012449
Includes links to information sources....

Fol. units have been advertised to have S-Video (unconfirmed info):
Apex DT1001 (incl. Smart Antenna I/F)
Channel Master CM-7000 (CECB approval pending)
DigitalStream D21AD10
MaxMedia MMDTVB03 (incl. Smart Antenna I/F)
MicroProse MPI-500 (CECB approval pending)
post #320 of 2421
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Digital transition may delete millions of viewers

SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN - Reuters - February 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN View Post

... "I think the American public has close to zero awareness of what's coming," Bob Pittman, a co-founder of MTV and member of private investment firm Pilot Group, told an audience at the television industry's recent NATPE convention in Las Vegas. "I think they're going to be hopping mad at the government when (it) turns off the TV." ...

Adding to the concern, a study by market research firm Centris has found that gaps in digital broadcast signals could leave 5.9 million TV sets unable to receive as many channels as they did before the transition -- and that's with the converter box. The study suggests that to maintain reception, many viewers would have to buy new outdoor antennas.

A major complicating factor in spreading the word about the transition is that the over-the-air viewers who will be most affected also are the hardest to reach. In particular, LG's Taylor says, the industry is concerned about five "underserved communities": the elderly, the underprivileged, minorities, rural Americans and people with disabilities. According to NAB, 31% of Latino households get their television over the air, compared with 15% of the general public. The number jumps to 41% for households speaking primarily Spanish.

While advertisers might fret less about the loss of lower-income TV viewers, Amina Fazlullah, a Public Interest Research Group staff attorney, worries that consumers forced into stores by the transition might be easy prey for unscrupulous or misinformed salesmen. ...

Full Story: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...nsition-may-de

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post #321 of 2421
No one puts any credence in the Centris study:
http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0015/t.11299.html

Biggest problem is Centris used antennaweb.org to determine coverage....GIGO....
http://www.centris.com/pages/viewnew...ID=34&SiteID=9

Unfortunately, antennaweb.org greatly underestimates which stations you can
receive, as has been discussed many, many, many times in the ANTENNA thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...81623&page=223
Indeed, it is frequently recommended to enter an antenna height 100-200 feet
in excess of actual height to find the stations you will ACTUALLY receive....
post #322 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Whidbey View Post

"snowy screen" would have been a better quote if she was referring to Canadian stations.

Seriously, Sen. Hutchison sounds like she doesn't have a clue.

Sen. Hutchison was one of the leading cheerleaders in the Senate who rounded up mostly Republican votes to pass the analog shutdown bill. Go figure.
post #323 of 2421
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Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

No one puts any credence in the Centris study:
http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0015/t.11299.html

Biggest problem is Centris used antennaweb.org to determine coverage....GIGO....
http://www.centris.com/pages/viewnew...ID=34&SiteID=9

Unfortunately, antennaweb.org greatly underestimates which stations you can
receive, as has been discussed many, many, many times in the ANTENNA thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...81623&page=223
Indeed, it is frequently recommended to enter an antenna height 100-200 feet
in excess of actual height to find the stations you will ACTUALLY receive....

Thanks for your critical comments... they puts this article in perspective.

I've stopped using and recommending www.antennaweb.org and have been using www.TVfool.com instead.

Do you agree with my impression that TVfool.com is better than antennaweb.org? Do you have any other recommendations?

Avio
post #324 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Whidbey View Post

Did you try answering "Yes" to the cable/satellite question? If you said no, then you lied to the government. Shame on you. Expect to see black helicopters buzzing your house and men in black knocking on you door sometime in the near future!

I believe the question was whether your TVs subscribe to cable, not whether you personally subscribe to cable. There's a big difference between those two questions.
post #325 of 2421
Here's the exact question. Read it VERY carefully and resolve doubt in your own favor.

"Check the statement below that best describes your household*
All or some of the TVs in my house subscribe to one or more pay services, such as cable or satellite.
None of the TVs in my house subscribe to one or more pay services, such as cable or satellite. "
post #326 of 2421
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Originally Posted by w0kie View Post

Sen. Hutchison was one of the leading cheerleaders in the Senate who rounded up mostly Republican votes to pass the analog shutdown bill. Go figure.

It's not all that difficult to figure out.

Washington has been "anticipating" the billions of dollars that the windfall of auctioning off the spectrum will bring.

The money must be deposited in the Treasury ASAP!

That's the rest of the story!
post #327 of 2421
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Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

No one puts any credence in the Centris study:
http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0015/t.11299.html


While I agree that the study seems flawed with everything I have read, I have already seen first hand a couple of friends who have set up their converters lose channels...now they are out "in the sticks, so to speak, but I do believe there will be some hearty b!chin' a year from now. In the long run this will be a good thing, but I know my grandma may have to get some of her grandkids to pony up for cable if she wants to keep watchin all her "programs". Hopefully, the box will work for her.
post #328 of 2421
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Originally Posted by ledgerat View Post

I do believe there will be some hearty b!chin' a year from now. .

You better believe it. no matter how much it is publicized, promoted, or PSA's ran about the transition, there will still be those who get suprised by this.
post #329 of 2421
Even a lot of people who do see the PSA's are probably not even aware of what's involved. Not when they're sayin' things like "your analog TV may not even work after the analog cutoff".
post #330 of 2421
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As noted earlier in this thread, the following CECB is listed on Amazon as follows:

Philco TB100HH9 D/A Converter
http://www.amazon.com/Philco-TB100HH...dp/B000YC8NYY/

A "customer image" has been inserted:



BUT, get this: Amazon put the box in the following category!

Electronics > Computer Add-Ons > Video Capture & Editing Devices > TV Tuners

Since when is Grandma's converter box for that old TV a "Computer Add-On Video Capture & Editing Device."

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