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post #691 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by Two-Shoes View Post

Long time lurker, first time poster.
instead of smooth color gradients, the transitions are noticeably grainy/blocky..

Welcome 2 Shoes.
You're seeing MPEG compression artifacts. It varies by station dependent upon the format and number of channels the station has in their digital stream. You'll see the same on any box you try with a given station.
post #692 of 2443
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Originally Posted by ledgerat View Post

I dont know if anyone watched CBS on Monday night during the How I met you mother thru New adv. of Christine...

All of these shows has major audio problems, where the music/sound effects seemed to be at a normal level but the speech track was a whisper. Commercials were not effected. All of these shows are 5.1. Do you think that would be the issue? I switched from mono to stereo on my Zenith box and messed with the settings on my AV receiver with no big change. No other station had these issues and CBS news wasn't affected later on or this morning.

Anyone else hear these broadcasts? Maybe it was just a local transmission issue.

"Sounds like" a classic case of the "Missing Center Channel" problem.
[Which may or may not be related to LG/Zenith/D-S clicking problem...]
To verify, compare to an HD system by putting your ear next to the center speaker.

=========================================
BTW: Since it depends on local station equipment configurations, it occurs in
some network stations and not in others....and varies from program to program.

Dolby Decoder at your local station outputs six surround signals: L/R, LS/RS, CTR/SW.
Stereo outputs are also formed from these signals: Lt/Rt, where each "Total" signal
contains some Center signal (but not SW Subwoofer or LS/RS surrounds).
[See ATSC A/52B, para 7.8.1 "General Downmix Procedure".]

The "Missing Center Channel" problem occurs when L/R (only) is transmitted
in broadcasted DD5.1 signal, rather than Lt/Lr. [Rarely, I also hear LS/RS.]
Hence, L/R is missing Center and SW (bass). [Wolf (Stereo) in Sheep's (DD5.1) clothing.]

Sometimes I suspect Center channel is OUT-OF-PHASE with L/R...or is it Lt/Rt???
YMMV...there are various (manual?) "fixes" overriding Metachannel controls....
so I hear different defects....

This problem is due to mishandling of Metadata controls and local decision to
ALWAYS transmit DD5.1 to avoid DD2.0/DD5.1 (manual?) reconfigurations
every time their (Stereo) Ad Splicer inserts a commercial. And may or may not
be "fixed" by a conscientious local engineer for some favorite programs:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10091952
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10108373
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10110611
http://www.dolby.com/professional/pr...plementations/
post #693 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

Welcome 2 Shoes.
You're seeing MPEG compression artifacts. It varies by station dependent upon the format and number of channels the station has in their digital stream. You'll see the same on any box you try with a given station.

Thank you for the kind "welcome aboard", Bob.

A follow-up question if I may. I'm sorry if I wasn't exactly clear in my previous post.

Are the MPEG compression artifacts present even if the image is a static one? What if the image on the screen is a non-moving, solid color graphic? One that's essentially a high resolution JPEG or perhaps a GIF. But as you sweep from the left side of the image to its right side there's a transition from, say, a dark blue to a light blue. Shouldn't the transition from the dark hue to the lighter hue be smooth?

What I'm seeing is the choppy transition that you'd get on a non-interlaced computer screen set to a screen resolution like 1024 x 768 or higher, but with the color palette set to somewhere between 256 colors and 65,536. Most computer monitors and graphics cards these days can render millions of colors. Not so just 10 years ago. And because my TV is over 10 years old, I wonder if it's to blame, and not the Zenith CECB.

Sure, with MPEG compression there are all sorts of pixelation artifacts based on the bit rate of the signal. But I'm not convinced that I'm seeing compression artifacts in the context of my question. I mean, I do see compression artifacts in other aspects of my TV viewing experience. But imagine a computer desktop wallpaper of a mountain view, and you try to render all the shades from the rich blacks of the shadows to the subtlest pale blues and whites in the sky with a limited range of shades. It'd just look choppy.

The choppy color transitions I'm seeing happens on all the channels, regardless of what (I speculate) the compression of the particular station's signal is. I also don't think this is due to any aliasing of the interlaced rendering on my analog TV, because it seems to exist vertically as well as horizontally. But heh, I don't know. That's why I appreciate all the helpful advice and information here.

Thanks again for the welcoming words. Cheers. --2shoes
post #694 of 2443
What you describe sounds like "color banding":
http://dvinfo.net/canon/articles/article10.php
http://easyhdtv.blogspot.com/2007/02...v-display.html
Digital TV (also DVDs) use 24-bit color, which is 8-bits for each of three colors.

I'm wondering if the comb filter in your 10-year old TV might be the culprit...
or maybe the converter box....

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You might find the fol. of interest in identifying digital video "artifacts":
http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~nd/surprise...ab/report.html
http://www.100fps.com/codec_quality_comparison.htm

Deinterlacing doesn't sound like your problem:
http://www.digitaltvdesignline.com/s...leId=181400422
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...e-10-2000.html
http://www.100fps.com/
http://www.100fps.com/video_resolution_vs_fluidity.htm
post #695 of 2443
i got the zenith box yesterday and it works great so far. but does anyone know how to dim the red and blue led light on the front of the box? its to bright at night.
post #696 of 2443
Hi.
Help! Is there someone out there to tell me why I get a (60Htz?) noise on my analog TV after installing a new Zenith DTT900 digital TV tuner converter box?
Thanks in advance.

Hans
post #697 of 2443
Or put some scotch tape over the LEDs and use a felt-tip marker to make it
dark enough you aren't bothered at night, yet is visible in daytime.

If you overdo it the first time, try again.....
PS: Try same color as LED.
post #698 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolffhans View Post

Hi.
Help! Is there someone out there to tell me why I get a (60Htz?) noise on my analog TV after installing a new Zenith DTT900 digital TV tuner converter box?
Thanks in advance.

Hans

Could be a ground loop problem.
First try to reverse the prongs on the
AC plug at first the TV, LISTEN and then the converter box if it persists....

The plug polarization may prevent you from doing this on one or both units.
Since some old TV's have a "hot" chassis, don't try to defeat this safety feature.
post #699 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeeZ01 View Post

i got the zenith box yesterday and it works great so far. but does anyone know how to dim the red and blue led light on the front of the box? its to bright at night.

Same way I did.. electrical tape or light gels..
post #700 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

What you describe sounds like "color banding":
[snip]
Digital TV (also DVDs) use 24-bit color, which is 8-bits for each of three colors.

I'm wondering if the comb filter in your 10-year old TV might be the culprit...
or maybe the converter box....

===============================
You might find the fol. of interest in identifying digital video "artifacts":
[snip]

Deinterlacing doesn't sound like your problem:
[snip]


holl_ands,

Thank you, thank you, thank you for the links. (I had to snip them out of the quote since I don't yet have 3 posts so that I can post hyperlinks.)

Color banding is exactly what I see. Sure is easier/more accurate to say color banding than to say grainy color transitions. Gotta love key words and tricky phrases.

Anyhoo, is anyone else seeing color banding with their Zenith box? If not, I'll look into the comb filter on the composite video.

holl_ands, thanks again for upgrading this newbie's knowledge.

--2shoes
post #701 of 2443
I'd recommend turning the Comb filter off (set sharpness to 0).
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Originally Posted by Whidbey View Post

Quote:


I purchased & connected a Zenith to my parents old set, and there was definitely a strong buzzing sound. I switched to Mono and the buzzing instantly disappeared. (Also the volume increased, which is good for my hard-of-hearing parents.)

Were you using the RCA or caox outs? I've given up on my coax out, my wife even could not stand the noise.

The RF coaxial out. Once I switched to mono, the noise was gone.
post #702 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by ledgerat View Post

I dont know if anyone watched CBS on Monday night during the How I met you mother thru New adv. of Christine... All of these shows has major audio problems, where the music/sound effects seemed to be at a normal level but the speech track was a whisper.

Isn't digital television just great?

Aren't you glad we discontinued that "inferior" analog so we could enjoy the "superiority" of bad audio encodings, out-of-sync video/audio streams, and buzzing from the left channel?

Yay.
post #703 of 2443
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Originally Posted by rrrrrroger View Post

The RF coaxial out. Once I switched to mono, the noise was gone.


Roger - I disconnected the coax all together in favor of composite. However, that introduced a whole other problem, far worse than the sound issue, which I detailed here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post13468990

After I ran the early morning rescan and re-acquired all my channels, when I came home that night the channels were gone again. It had not been turned on or used all day. A second rescan brought them back, but for how long?

Since no-one else seems to have reported this issue here, I'm hoping it's just isolated to my CECB, and that if I exchange it I will get a more reliable machine. FWIW, my Insignia has a date of Dec 2007 on the back.
post #704 of 2443
I had a left over Reward Zone coupon so I picked up the Insignia at Best Buy on Tuesday. It works as described. Haven't heard the audio problem connected to a SONY old tube stereo TV about 12 years old. Could be my hearing.
I connected it through the "youtube" antenna I built. Even in the basement where I started testing it found all of the local channels and sub channels quite easily.

Anybody see the broadcasters association ad? It shows a snowy analog picture and beside it a clear, precise picture of the same scene. Saying that digital is that much better. I hate to tell them that if the UHF signal was that poor the digital would be blank.
post #705 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrrrrroger View Post

I'd recommend turning the Comb filter off (set sharpness to 0).

Good idea. Thanks! --2shoes
post #706 of 2443
I bought the Zenith DTT900 last night at Circuit City with a coupon, and here are some first impressions.

CC had several DTT900's on the shelf. Only one looked like the box had been opened, all others looked fresh. All had January 2008 manufacture date marked on the outside of the box.

The cashier said that mine would be the first coupon sale she had done. Had CC given them training on how to do it? "No," she said, "but they told us the coupons were coming." Her first two tries to make the coupon work failed - trying it like a credit-card, then like a manufacturer's coupon. Eventually with the help of a supe, she figured how to make it work: by treating it as if it were a credit-card with a $40 credit limit. She charged the first $40 of the price to the coupon-credit-card, and the remainder to my personal credit-card. Only took about a 2 minute delay to figure it out. (This morning when I checked dtv2009.gov, it already knew the coupon had been used. She offered me the coupon back, but I let her throw it away for me.)

Brought the box home, and first tried out the remote control which had you press Power and CH^ repeatedly until it controlled your TVs power. Only took 22 presses and then it was powering my RCA-labelled 27" CRT up and down just fine. And they included a battery! The remote control didn't feel uncomfortable to use.

Because of an earlier post that I though was neat, I looked at my watch as I took the DTT900 out of the box. Then I connected my 25-year-old-in-the-attic antenna lead -> DTT900, and DTT900 composite video -> VCR line in; and 4 minutes and 45 seconds later I had the Menu on my TV. That included unwrapping time. Woulda been quicker, but I inadvertently unplugged power to my VCR for a bit. Composite video cables (which I used) and RF cable (which I didn't) were all included.

Initial menus were just like the QuickStart guide said they would be.

I wish I wish I wish I had timed the initial channel scanning, but by the time I had thought of it, the scan was almost done. Maybe a minute or two to find 22 channels. I'm north east of Atlanta, about 17 to 30 miles from most transmitters. OTA I got maybe 6 stations clearly, and another 6 with various degrees of snow.

DTT900 picture looked great, only saw one instance of picture breaking up once thru the whole night. And since that was on one of the subchannels of a local Spanish station, that doesn't bother me. (I don't speak Spanish).

I'm not a video expert, but the picture seemed great to me. I've always been OTA at my present location, and I'm used to which stations are clear and which are snowy and multipath. Of course, what I received with the DTT900 was SD to my TV, but some of the best SD pictures that my RCA has put out.

Stereo passed thru to my big stereo receiver sounded just fine. I, myself, didn't hear any of the left-channel artifacts discussed on this board. But two things about that: (1) I'm not knowledgable enough with programming available to know what's got the 5.1 that I understand is necessary to hear the problem. (2) My half-century old ears have a bunch of loss at the high end. No doubt due to my abortive early career in rock-n-roll. (But looking back on it, it WAS worth it to stand in front of Jack Bruce's speaker stack during that concert 30 years ago!)

For the letterboxing and sidebars, I started out by trying to analyze each picture to decide how to view it. ("Lessee, this is the News Hour, which I know is 16:9, but is it HD, so should I choose...") Eventually I changed to just mashing that ZOOM button 'till the picture looked like how I liked. There are only a few ZOOM settings, anyway.

The same can't be said for the closed captioning though. Turning on CC took only one press of the "CCD" button. Which was good. But to get it back to the "Off" setting you have to cycle through all those services. That's really my only user-interface-type complaint so far.

Tonight I'm going to take the same box to a friend's house just east of Atlanta and try it out on a pair of rabbit ears. If anything interesting comes of it, I'll add it.

Hey, folks, sorry if this post was too verbose, but while I was reading posts on this board trying to decide what to buy this is just the sort of report that I was looking for. So, I thought somebody else might like one! 8-)

So, for $63-40=$23 I've got some more channels and a much clearer picture. I'm happy.

Be seeing you,
Jokester
post #707 of 2443
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Originally Posted by Jokester View Post

I bought the Zenith DTT900 last night at Circuit City with a coupon, and here are some first impressions.



The cashier said that mine would be the first coupon sale she had done. Had CC given them training on how to do it? "No," she said, "but they told us the coupons were coming." Her first two tries to make the coupon work failed - trying it like a credit-card, then like a manufacturer's coupon. Eventually with the help of a supe, she figured how to make it work: by treating it as if it were a credit-card with a $40 credit limit. She charged the first $40 of the price to the coupon-credit-card, and the remainder to my personal credit-card. Only took about a 2 minute delay to figure it out. (This morning when I checked dtv2009.gov, it already knew the coupon had been used. She offered me the coupon back, but I let her throw it away for me.)

Some people have been able to get the $40 refunded to their coupon when they returned a box. I'd suggest keeping the redeemed coupon card just to be on the safe side.


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The same can't be said for the closed captioning though. Turning on CC took only one press of the "CCD" button. Which was good. But to get it back to the "Off" setting you have to cycle through all those services. That's really my only user-interface-type complaint so far.

You can turn off the digital closed captioning by just going to "Service2" since typically nothing is actually broadcast on Service 2, but if you want to turn the captions back on again, you would have to push the CCD button 13 times because you'll be on Service2 and you have to go through the rest of the 6 services, 4 CC option, 4 Text options, and through the Off option to get to Service1. When you change the channel, the captioning will go back to what was set within the menu.

A quicker way to turn off the digital captioning momentarily without losing the picture is to push another button on the remote, like the center button (which displays the time and the channel number on the side). That's useful when the captions are covering up something you want to see. (However, with advanced closed captioning, you can also choose a transparent or translucent background and small captions which would cover up even less of the picture.)

Dana
post #708 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jokester View Post

Hey, folks, sorry if this post was too verbose, but while I was reading posts on this board trying to decide what to buy this is just the sort of report that I was looking for. So, I thought somebody else might like one! 8-)

Be seeing you,
Jokester

No need to apologize--thank you for sharing your initial experiences! Except for the audio issue, I'm happy with the Zenith for the most part.

If you've indeed experienced a degree of hearing loss, as indicated in your full review, then you'll probably never have to worry about this issue...when viewed on a graph, it seems limited to 11,000 hz and above.
post #709 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

Could be a ground loop problem.
First try to reverse the prongs on the
AC plug at first the TV, LISTEN and then the converter box if it persists....

The plug polarization may prevent you from doing this on one or both units.
Since some old TV's have a "hot" chassis, don't try to defeat this safety feature.

Thanks, holl_ands.
I tried your sugestion to no avail. When I turn off the Zenith box with the analog TV on a loud (switch noise?) coinsides with the screen going blank. Sounds like the sound of an amplified arc. My house does not have a third (ground) conductor in the outlets. Can I tap one of the 110 Volt conductor to try grounding the coax cables?
Sure appreciate you replying so quickly.

Hans
post #710 of 2443
I am going to ask Dr. Rudy Wells to adjust my bionic hearing so I won't hear those upper frequencies.

That seems more likely to actually happen vs. LG admitting there's a problem with these boxes and recalling them or repairing them.
post #711 of 2443
More in the DTT900 saga.

I moved that same box to an area just east of Atlanta, but closer to the largest antenna farm. Summary: it worked great.

The "rabbit ears" turned out to be some old RCA-branded indoor non-amplified thingy that looks like a flat frisbee that sits on top of the TV. It's NOT an ANT585, but it sort of looks like the flat plate part of an ANT585 with the flat plate part lying horizontal. Or it looks like a square Flying Saucer or something. Analog OTA reception had degraded lately there, to the point where the TV was almost too snowy to watch on every channel.

Anyway, I brought my DTT900 and plugged it in, rabbit ears -> DTT900 and DTT900 RF out-> old TV. It still had the channel lineup that I had scanned at my home, which was a good thing, because I forgot to bring the remote control.

In east Atlanta the DTT900 showed a great picture on every channel that was already in the channel lineup. There was also one channel that was FOUND at my house but never had enough signal to display. It displayed 100% at the new location.

The feature of the DTT900 that really saved the day (and the reason why I've posted again) was the fact that the DTT900 had channel up/down buttons on the STB because we could tune it without a remote control ! When I read other reviewers talk bad about other models because they had no front-of-the-box controls, I gave it short shrift. But after experiencing viewing without a remote, I see that's an important feature. And what about when the remote is lost down inside the sofa cushions ?!?


I'm off to CC tonight to get another DTT900, and just for kicks I'm going to see if I can get it to do an initial channelscan without a remote.
post #712 of 2443
quick question, i have this hooked up to plain old rabbit ears antenna with aluminum foil at the tips. i live a couple miles from an airport, so airplanes fly overhead every 15-20 minutes and it affects the reception for a couple of seconds.

is there way to limit the cut-outs whenever a plane passes through or am i stuck with it?

thanks.
post #713 of 2443
I've noticed that when I test with rabbit ears, a plane flying overhead can also break up the signal. I almost never see this with an outside antenna.

If you can set up with an outside antenna (or antenna in the attic), this could solve your problem.


Bob Diaz
post #714 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeeZ01 View Post

is there way to limit the cut-outs whenever a plane passes through or am i stuck with it?

Try a better, outddor antenna. usually it's multipath that's so fast the receiver can't correct for it.
post #715 of 2443
Ok I just called Zenith they had NO CLUE about the chirping sound. I offered to send them the link to the forum they didn't want it and said no one has called into complain.

I was calling to see if thry would fix the issue before I buy one
post #716 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolffhans View Post

Thanks, holl_ands.
I tried your sugestion to no avail. When I turn off the Zenith box with the analog TV on a loud (switch noise?) coinsides with the screen going blank. Sounds like the sound of an amplified arc. My house does not have a third (ground) conductor in the outlets. Can I tap one of the 110 Volt conductor to try grounding the coax cables?
Sure appreciate you replying so quickly.
Hans

Since you mention a coax, I presume you may be using an OUTDOOR antenna.
If so, the bottom of the antenna mast must have its own grounding wire and
at the entry point of the coax to the house, there must be a coax spark gap
arrestor, which must have a ground wire in accordance with local NEC requirements.
[PS: Attic and indoor antennas do not need to be grounded.]

Sooooo, the coax should ALREADY be grounded as part of the mandatory
NEC requirements, which will drain off static electricity build-up and provide
some protection against nearby lightning strikes....
And protect YOU against an insurance agent denying a claim if there's a "problem"....

Antenna installation guidance is given here (see Chapter Six):
http://www.winegarddirect.com/pdf/manual_PR_models.pdf
http://www.solidsignal.com/manuals/AntInstallGuide.pdf
The "antenna discharge unit" is a spark gap arrestor, aka "ground block":
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

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Let me tell a little story first. While working on something electrical in my
daughter's mid-70s vintage track house I noticed there was several volts of AC
between "Neutral" (white) and safety ground (green)....by throwing switches
I traced it back to her old dishwasher (probably some EMI filters on the motor).

Okay, no big problem.....until much later I swapped in a motion sensor
porch light after doing the usual AC voltage safety check. I guess the
dishwasher pump finally came on, cuz I felt power (about 20 VAC) on the wires!!!
[Recently, her old dishwasher was replaced....hopefully no more problem.]

Moral of the story: The "Neutral" wire carries the RETURN current and hence
will be lifted ABOVE ground by V=IR. If you short "Neutral" to a ground other
than the originating transformer, you cause a ground loop in the power system,
whereby significant return current could be trying to flow "up" the coax:
http://www.psihq.com/iread/strpgrnd.htm

==========================
Hence, various ISOLATION techniques are preferred to combat ground loops.

There are 120 VAC to 120 VAC Isolation transformers that can be used
on the TV and/or converter.

There are audio isolators for the L/R interface:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

And there are coax isolators that work wonders for problematic cable systems:
http://www.buy.com/prod/pico-macom-t...202749807.html

More info on coax isolators and power isolators can be found here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10374027

==========================
It is important to determine whether the coax is contributing to the problem.
Can you use an alternative, temporary antenna and coax to receive DTV???
If you still see problems, it's not the coax.

If you have an AC volt meter, you can measure voltages between each
component and also to true ground with and without interconnecting cables
to help isolate the source of your problem....
post #717 of 2443
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Originally Posted by lexus2108 View Post

Ok I just called Zenith they had NO CLUE about the chirping sound. I offered to send them the link to the forum they didn't want it and said no one has called into complain.

I was calling to see if thry would fix the issue before I buy one

When I called the guy asked me to check my connections, I told him about others having problems. He put me on hold, and then came back and said it was associated with 5.1 decoding.

I specifically asked him to look into left channel audio problems. It did require extra work for the guy to look it up. I've worked in a call center, some people will not do the extra work.
post #718 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by lexus2108 View Post

Ok I just called Zenith they had NO CLUE about the chirping sound. I offered to send them the link to the forum they didn't want it and said no one has called into complain.

I was calling to see if thry would fix the issue before I buy one

Unfortunately, when you call a company like Zenith, you run the risk of getting outsourced, half-trained, "don't have a clue" reps.

If you call again, if you're lucky, you might get someone on the phone who actually knows something about the issue...but it is a major gamble.

Modern customers service...bah....
post #719 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

It is important to determine whether the coax is contributing to the problem.
Can you use an alternative, temporary antenna and coax to receive DTV???
If you still see problems, it's not the coax.

I agree with Holl_ands. DO NOT TIE THE GROUND TO THE NEUTRAL at the plug. If you get it wrong it can be a fatal safety issue (literally). Even if you get the right side the line, if the neutral is not grounded properly it can put hazardous voltages on the chassis. It would not meet code in any case. The NEC codes are there for a reason, and not just to give the electrical inspector something to do. I normally don't like to preach like this, but getting it wrong really can be life threatening. Not just for you, but also innocent third parties.

As far as eliminating the antenna and cable, Try the straightened paper clip trick mentioned elsewhere (seriously). If you have a strong enough local station it will work. And it's not life threatening
post #720 of 2443
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolffhans View Post

Thanks, holl_ands.
I tried your sugestion to no avail. When I turn off the Zenith box with the analog TV on a loud (switch noise?) coinsides with the screen going blank. Sounds like the sound of an amplified arc. My house does not have a third (ground) conductor in the outlets. Can I tap one of the 110 Volt conductor to try grounding the coax cables?
Sure appreciate you replying so quickly.

Hans

The neutral wire is at ground potential at your fuse/breaker box. Anywhere else it will have a voltage on it and will not work as a ground as well as being a real hazard to life and property to treat it as a ground.

Things like radio/tv electronics work better with a ground connection.

First see if your receptacles are ungrounded (two prong) but the box it is in might be grounded through the cable, bx shield or conduit. If a ground is there then you could safely install a grounded (three prong) receptacle.

If not then you could run a new electrical cable with a ground to your tv set location, easy if first floor above basement. You could just rewire that one receptacle.
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