Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 52

Yes, my TV was broken in and is well past the 200 hour mark (I wouldn't be surprised if it's already got over 1000 hours). I actually play many other video games (including COD5 since you mentioned it) and haven't had a problem. Even if there is IR, it goes away very quick. However, with Space Invaders Extreme, it was...well, extreme. Much more pronounced IR and a longer retention period --- although it does go away, eventually.

Hey....I am ordering the Panasonic TC-P50G10 tonight. I am new to all of this. I want to do the right thing with breaking this in. I am a heavy video game user. Can someone please explain to me how the break in dvd works? Is it something I can buy, instead of burning to a dvd? Any advice on breaking in this tv would be greatly appreciated!

Read the first post and follow the links.

Hello. I have a Samsung Plasma for about 5 months, and I watch probably 80% SD programs. I do not like to stretch mode, and keep it in 4:3 with the gray sidebars. I have recently been noticing a line when watching in HD exactly where the sidebars would be. It's like the side edges are slightly brighter. Will the scrolling feature help remove this? I thought using the light gray sidebars prevented burn In, if that is what this is?

So are retro games on the Xbox 360 just out of the question? like galaga, it has side bars that don't move, would these games never be played on a plasma, ever? heard mention of Space Invaders Extreme, that game is great, but should that game also never be played on a plasma? if so, its just sad we can't play such games.

I want to get that set myself.I am a HARDCORE gamer and i was worried of the burn in issue and heard that you have to break in the Plasma first before using it.So after this breakin period i shouldnt worry?

question..I have seen no evidence of any IR/burn in on my new panasonic S1 but I accidentally left the tv on with no cable signal(blank dark screen but no signal..but still...on)... for like 4 hours...any harm to this ? Seems to be ok

No problem at all.

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I've been searching this forum for ages now on break-in theories, and both camps on the issue. The logic behind evenly aging the phosphors before viewing makes much sense, but I was wondering if this would help eradicate some of the phosphor trailing people have seen on their plasma displays when watching or playing games. I have a Panasonic Viera G10 coming Friday and want to get a leg up on the situation. If this has been discussed before a link would be awesome. Thanks guys

No. Searching for green trails/phosphor trails/purple snakes will take you to relevant threads.

I'm having problems adjusting the time gap between each slide to 30 seconds on my thumb drive. For some reason, each color slide stays on for 10 seconds instead of 30 before it moves on to the next slide on my sammy PN50A650. Can someone help me by telling me how i can fix this on my computer? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Hi,

I read through the first several pages of this thread and didn't see a clear answer to this:

I keep seeing people mention that you need reduced brightness and contrast for the first ~200 hours of breakin if you're watching fullscreen video, but that the OPPOSITE might be true if you are using the break-in DVD.

Samsung's wiki page pointed me to these settings for break in: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post10425599

But others seem to say if you're using the break-in DVD that I should crank up the intensity to quicken the aging of the phosphors since theres no chance of uneven wear.


My TV will be the samsung PN63 B590.

Is there any final word on whether its a good idea to turn brightness up for the Breakin DVD????

Hi-- Newbie

I got my tc-p50s1 about a month ago, but have used it sporadically (long story). Unfortunately, I had no idea about break in or the like before reading this forum recently. The only thing I used my tv for was playing MLB 2009 (which has a static score bar at the top, with a diamond for the baserunners). I have possibly played 20-30 hours max (I would assume much less, but it's always better to overestimate) Anyway, whenever the room is completely dark, and I stand near the screen, I can see the diamond at the top faintly, as well as other images on the screen, including the outline of the menu for the image retention safeguards that I have been trying to use. Generally, I will play one or two games, with 3 being the maximum, and then be done for the night. Often I will play for one night and then not play again for a week (rarely ever play on back to back nights). I noticed the images last week, haven't played all week, then turned the tv on and they are still there whenever the screen is completely black. These images are not visible from any distance, but are still worrisome to me. Is it possible that this is burn-in even though the images didn't stay on the screen for long periods, and can I still use a break-in of some sort to rectify the problem? Any help is greatly appreciated!!

Do you see the IR during regular play or only on a dark screen. If you only see it on a dark screen or blank input, don't worry. It's typical. If you see it all the time, you need to lay off the gaming for awhile and just play some 16X9 full screen content for awhile. When gaming, remember to set the pixel orbiter to 1 and move to "Cinema" mode and turn the settings down in the 50 and 60 range for brightness and contrast.

If you're going to exclusively use this television for are games, you may want to check into an LCD if this kind of problem is bothersome for you.

How do you get rid of IR

This will be our family tv soon, on which I will do moderate gaming. I did the scrolling bar for awhile last night repeatedly, and for the most part, the image faded. In all honesty, from more than 3 feet away, you can't even see the ghosting. Nonetheless, even if it is on the screen for only like 2 min., any solid figure (menu box, static logo, etc...) can be lightly seen when close and the screen is on but all black.

I appreciate the help offered above a great deal. Can I still do a break in so as to age it somewhat and make this less likely to happen? Thanks again!!

What your describing is normal IR. You will always see some kind of IR on a completely black screen or blank input. If the IR is fading away after awhile of using the scrolling bar or normal full screen use, then don't worry.


If you want, but as long as you use common sense, you really don't need to break in a plasma. Just be careful for the first few hundred hours.

How come there is not yellow in the break in SD card images? There is grey shades, red, green and blue. No yellow. Should I worry about this?

cyan, magenta, and yellow are secondary additive colors. the primary colors are red/green/blue which make all the others colors.

Hi all new to the forums.

Ill try to keep it as short as possible. Basically this thread has me spooked. I've been warned for years about IR/BI on plasmas. Never even considered one. However, my recent research uncovered the seeming lack of concern for IR on new models. (Even convinced me to order a V10 series Panasonic which is "pending" as we speak) Now I run across this thread and it sounds more and more, to me at least, that IR is still inevitable. First, I game... period. Maybe not everyday but in at LEAST 5 hr sessions on a good night. Secondly and unfortunately "black bars", or underscan bars, or what have you will be a part of my viewing. Quite possibly for long periods. I am more than willing to spend the 120hrs for break in no questions asked. (BTW, I truely love these new panasonics. Far and away my first choice as far as PQ etc goes. Hands down the best besides kuro IMO) My question is this: Giving my habits should I cancel my order before its too late and order an LCD? Or can I sleep perfectly happily knowing I wont have to change my habits to fit my TV instead of vice versa? After giving the proper break in of course

Thanks!

Let's just get this out of the way - you will get IR with any plasma. It's natural and normal and most of the time, not noticeable unless your staring blankly at a black screen. And unless you're a complete idiot who abuses his/her belongings, you will never ever get permanent burn-in. You would have to leave a still image on the screen for a day or two for that. No, don't go for an LCD if you're going to do more than play games. If you were going to use the set exclusively for 100% gaming, I would at least think about LCD, but really plasma has better motion, colors, and blacks so its better for everything. The only drawback is occasional IR. As long as you keep the pixel orbiter on "1", turn the settings down to normal natural levels, and use some common sense, you'll be perfectly fine. I watch a great deal of 2.35:1 DVD's (no games for me) and yes, I see IR after finishing a DVD, but it goes away after a few minutes of standard 16:9 television. I wouldn't advice watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy straight through or anything, but you'll be fine for 3-4 hours. Turning the contrast down will help keep IR to a minimum as well. I have my PX80 set to 61 for contrast and it looks wonderful.

There has been a panasonic 50X1 at my sears running 4:3 material looped. Its been on there for a few weeks.

I could not see the burn-in when it came back to the menu-screen of the dvd. I didn't look to hard.

i'll go back in a month and see what happens.

On a similar note, a local store has been running a Samsung plasma for awhile with 4:3 content and the IR or burn-in is pretty bad. I don't understand these stores. It's 16:9 content on a Blu-Ray player that they for some reason have set to 4:3 in either the player or television. A local theater had HD content playing the same way. Is it really so hard to simply adjust a setting? It takes like 10 seconds.

I guess they just don't know what burn-in is. I'm just suprised it didn't have any. It had been in 4:3 for 2 weeks and was a new set.

Guys..

My PANNY TV 54V10 and Bluray BD60 was delivered on Tuesday, and it is still sealed in the box. I never open it yet because they are still painting the house... Tonight or Tomorrow i will open them up... I am so excited... then I read this forums about the BURN IN and the Break in hours stuff... Its scaring me... I have my Bluray Disk (Twitglight and Valkerie), Once it is setup... I will watch this movies on the new tv/bluray... Will I hurt my new V10 if I watch movies right away??? Or the BURN IN / Break In period only apply if you are to play Video Games... I do not plan on using it for video game until next year because I do not have one...

Thanks

Hey everyone,

Pioneer 111 owner here. As a result of playing the World Series of Poker video game, I have discovered IR on the upper right corner of the screen. There is an image of an illuminated poker chip which appears during gameplay. Last weekend I noticed that the image of that chip is still on the upper right of the screen. I have been running the video pattern like crazy ever since then and I think it is fading. However, I can still see the image. Is there anything else I can do that might remove it faster? I have heard that running white noise might help? Where can I get that? Also, might the standard break-in slide slow help in removing it faster? I am a bit concerned because it has been a week and it still has not gone away. I did not concern myself with IR b/c I had not seen a hint of it with anything else. The stupid chip is not even something you notice during gameplay. I never left a completely static image on the screen for a length of time, just that the chip is on the upper right during an entire tournament. I would say I played for at most two or three hours consecutively. I was shocked when I saw the image. My calibrator had suggested turning off the orbiter because he said the 111 is very resistant to IR and that the orbiter reduces resolution. I did that, and at the time, I checked carefully for any signs of IR. None whatsoever. So I thought I did not have to worry. Since I have noticed this image, I turned the orbiter back on of course.

In addition, while running the video pattern, I have noticed a thin vertical line going down at about the last third of the screen. I can't tell if that is IR or maybe it is the protective coating. Fortunately, I cannot see it on real content. The image of the chip does make its way occasionally into real content and I would like to remove it. Suggestions please?

As a footnote to this, I am going to run the break-in slides in ISF Day, using the cross sweep with 5 second intervals. This way I can run it all day while I am out instead of just for an hour like the video pattern runs. None of the slides is 100% white. If I had a 100% white slide I would just run that over and over.

I do notice with the cross sweep pattern that the slide gets brighter as it moves across the logo, just before going to black. I am hoping that is a good thing. I assume the differential in going from bright to black would help in the process.

Any chance this might work?

https://www.createspace.com/256658

Does Burn In eventually fade over time? I have Sidebar Burn In on my Plasma set. I was told to use the light gray sidebars when watching Unstretched 4:3 aspect ratio. I must have kept it on that mode to much. I now can see the ghost images of the sidebars during light scenes, like when I am watching hockey especially. I tried the scrolling bar for a couple weeks, and left the set on 16:9, but it did nothing. I wonder if it will ever blend in with the rest of the screen as the side phosphors become more active with use?

Doc, you may want to try kicking up some of the settings in Vivid and leave it on a 16:9 program without any logos or tickers, perhaps a DVD. Are you actually seeing the lines clearly or is it just not aging evenly? That may help it to blend better. Are the bars or the middle section of the screen more aged? If it's the sides that are lighter (more aged) than the middle, try leaving it on a blank input with light gray sidebars for a little while. That may help to even it out.