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post #1681 of 5206
oh yea, I have a samsung 850 series, only had it for a month and have done no break in
post #1682 of 5206
I mentioned this in another thread, but figured I would expand upon it here, since this is the main thread for IR talk.

I have the G10 and did roughly 100 hours of the break-in slides. Since then, I've played a good amount of NCAA Football 10 on the PS3. I've used the "Game" mode, which is slightly darker than the "Custom" mode, and had brightness and contrast both down around 50. Frustratingly, there is a scoreboard overlay that remains along the bottom of the screen during a game. It stays there the entire game and there is no option to remove it. There is a good deal of white on black:



I've been playing 2-4 hours a day, and no more than two or three games in a row (each game being roughly an hour), so there was never a time when this scoreboard image was on the screen for any more than three hours at a time (and even then there were short 5-10 min. breaks in between each game). Considering I used the break-in slides initially and have not used particularly bright settings, I was surprised to see some noticeable IR (praying it's not burn-in) on the set when I turned off the PS3 after playing last night. I quickly ran the white scrolling bar, expecting the IR to be wiped out within a few seconds, but it remained. I ran the scrolling bar for several minutes, followed by watching some full screen content and then checked again. Still there.

Luckily, the IR isn't noticeable while viewing actual content (unless the content is a single color at the bottom of the screen and you're looking very closely), but being a perfectionist about my new toys (especially expensive ones), this is bothering me quite a bit. I've been running a lot of full screen content today (no static images of course) and I've run the scrolling bar 4-5 times over the course of the day. It has now been 24 hours since I played my last game and the IR is still there (it seems to have faded a bit though). I've included pictures of my actual TV screen (the bottom left of it at least). The first is the actual photo, the second is a version I modified in Photoshop to accentuate where the IR is exactly.

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What do you guys think? Is this something that might hang around for a couple weeks and then finally fade away completely, or could it be permanent burn-in? I could understand this had I had an image up for 10+ hours, but as I said, it was only 2-3 hours, with short breaks in between. And my picture settings were very reasonable.

Also, what's my best option to try to get rid of this quickly? Should I continue to run the scrolling bar a few times a day, watch full screen content (and if so, with what picture settings?), run the break-in slides again for a few hours, or just leave the set off for a couple days? Let me know, thanks for your time.
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post #1683 of 5206
well if you played it for 2-4 hours a day you did have the image on the screen for 10+ hours. for burn-in its total time that would count, not time per viewing session.
post #1684 of 5206
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Originally Posted by fourtytwoinch View Post

well if you played it for 2-4 hours a day you did have the image on the screen for 10+ hours. for burn-in its total time that would count, not time per viewing session.

That doesn't make sense. If you play for two hours, then watch TV and come back and play the next day, the pixels have adjusted. There's no way it can just be total time that a pixel is lit with one color, or everything would cause burn in.
post #1685 of 5206
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Originally Posted by fourtytwoinch View Post

well if you played it for 2-4 hours a day you did have the image on the screen for 10+ hours. for burn-in its total time that would count, not time per viewing session.

This is not the case unless previous IR has not faded when you introduce the images again. As long as you watch other content in between gaming sessions the time on screen for the game starts fresh each time.
post #1686 of 5206
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Originally Posted by JTrainGBR83 View Post

That doesn't make sense. If you play for two hours, then watch TV and come back and play the next day, the pixels have adjusted. There's no way it can just be total time that a pixel is lit with one color, or everything would cause burn in.

Burn-in is un-even phosphor wear. Therefore, what I said makes perfect sense.

IR is not and is temporary.


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As long as you watch other content in between gaming sessions the time on screen for the game starts fresh each time.

We are talking about burn-in.

It does not start fresh each time. If you age half the screen and don't age the other half, does it matter that in between this that you have evenly aged both halves?

It is easier to get burn-in in the first 200-300 hours because of the faster aging of the phosphors. After that it is very hard.
post #1687 of 5206
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Originally Posted by Tpeezy View Post

I had the same problem with the ESPN logo. How long did it take you to get it to go away? Mine was still there after a couple of hours when i was watching the Patriot. It makes me worry that I might have burned it in...

It went away fairly quick. I would say about 2-3 hours...

Actually to be honest, I don't even know. I wasn't freaking out because I only saw it on a no signal screen. I don't usually watch no signal screens, and it wasn't noticeable on regular viewing

You live once, don't freak out!


And if you guys are noticing something that shouldn't be there, run the break in dvd for a while. It will keep a full image up, and constantly change the colors with the phosphors.

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Originally Posted by JTrainGBR83 View Post

Also, what's my best option to try to get rid of this quickly? Should I continue to run the scrolling bar a few times a day, watch full screen content (and if so, with what picture settings?), run the break-in slides again for a few hours, or just leave the set off for a couple days? Let me know, thanks for your time.

From my understanding, it's going to go away as fast as it got there. Meaning that you're probably going to want to avoid it for the same amount of time you played it. I don't think you can just speed it up. Don't worry unless you see it over something you're watching and it affects your viewing experience.
post #1688 of 5206
Hi, i just got a pioneer 151 auguest 1. and purchased a bdp320 and burned the break-in dvd and have been playing it since last friday augest 7th continuasly except for one night when it was storming i stopped it . i got a tv manufactured in oct 2008 .and i had'nt done the firmware update but i ordered it from pioneer and it came .i was wondering if it is ok to be breaking it in without the update and update it when its done or do i need to do the update and break it in more or am i ok? thanks
post #1689 of 5206
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Originally Posted by ALYSHA View Post

Hi, i just got a pioneer 151 auguest 1. and purchased a bdp320 and burned the break-in dvd and have been playing it since last friday augest 7th continuasly except for one night when it was storming i stopped it . i got a tv manufactured in oct 2008 .and i had'nt done the firmware update but i ordered it from pioneer and it came .i was wondering if it is ok to be breaking it in without the update and update it when its done or do i need to do the update and break it in more or am i ok? thanks

The firmware does little to interfere with your break-in procedure. Last I recall, the only thing the firmware update addressed was that it sped up tuning in to OTA channels.
post #1690 of 5206
Quick question, how come the break in slides don't have a yellow one?
post #1691 of 5206
Just to be sure my downloaded burn-in CD is functioning properly-the frequent white screen intermittent with the color slides is an integral part of the burn-in loop?
(I'm running it on standard CRT TV just to check if it had downloaded at all)
The new plasma should be arriving any minute, now.
post #1692 of 5206
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Originally Posted by AroundTheTV View Post

Quick question, how come the break in slides don't have a yellow one?

it's red/green/blue

those are the additive primary colors that make up all the other colors.

yellow is a secondary color
post #1693 of 5206
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Originally Posted by fourtytwoinch View Post

Burn-in is un-even phosphor wear. Therefore, what I said makes perfect sense.

IR is not and is temporary.



We are talking about burn-in.

It does not start fresh each time. If you age half the screen and don't age the other half, does it matter that in between this that you have evenly aged both halves?

It is easier to get burn-in in the first 200-300 hours because of the faster aging of the phosphors. After that it is very hard.

We may be talking about IR. I don't know what it is yet. Also, what you say here is very different from the majority opinion I've read about on these forums. Calling burn-in "easy", even in the first 200 hours, seems very inaccurate. From everything I've read, actual burn-in is actually very, very difficult with newer plasmas. IR may be easy, but not burn-in.
post #1694 of 5206
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Originally Posted by JTrainGBR83 View Post

We may be talking about IR. I don't know what it is yet. Also, what you say here is very different from the majority opinion I've read about on these forums. Calling burn-in "easy", even in the first 200 hours, seems very inaccurate. From everything I've read, actual burn-in is actually very, very difficult with newer plasmas. IR may be easy, but not burn-in.

JTrain, it's IR, not burn in. You have two problems at the moment:

-- Temporary IR tends to be more frequent and last longer earlier in the life of your set.

-- You're playing one of the worst games for IR, NCAA (along with Madden). Those EA scoreboards are awful IR producers because of the EA logo, the white lines, and the fact that they don't go away very much.

My advice is to watch stuff in between your games or mix up your gaming rotation a bit. Over time, the IR will occur less frequently and severely. I'd also try and limit your time a little -- maybe avoid sessions longer than an hour for now. It sucks, I know -- I'm about to go through the same thing with Madden and my new Panny V10 -- but even when you know it's just IR, it's hard to not get a little panicked.

But don't worry. I have gamed on a Panny plasma for three years and never had any IR last more than a day or two (and that was from Madden early in the life of my set). I still get a little IR on that TV from games like Rock Band, but it always goes away very quickly. If you can't see it during other programming or games, I wouldn't be very worried. Just be a little careful.
post #1695 of 5206
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Originally Posted by Brando70 View Post

JTrain, it's IR, not burn in. You have two problems at the moment:

-- Temporary IR tends to be more frequent and last longer earlier in the life of your set.

-- You're playing one of the worst games for IR, NCAA (along with Madden). Those EA scoreboards are awful IR producers because of the EA logo, the white lines, and the fact that they don't go away very much.

My advice is to watch stuff in between your games or mix up your gaming rotation a bit. Over time, the IR will occur less frequently and severely. I'd also try and limit your time a little -- maybe avoid sessions longer than an hour for now. It sucks, I know -- I'm about to go through the same thing with Madden and my new Panny V10 -- but even when you know it's just IR, it's hard to not get a little panicked.

But don't worry. I have gamed on a Panny plasma for three years and never had any IR last more than a day or two (and that was from Madden early in the life of my set). I still get a little IR on that TV from games like Rock Band, but it always goes away very quickly. If you can't see it during other programming or games, I wouldn't be very worried. Just be a little careful.

Thanks for the reply. I really hope you are right, although I have been avoiding the game for the better part of 4-5 days now, and the ghost of the scoreboard bar is still slightly visible on a blank white or gray screen. I'm considering buying the PixelProtector DVD and trying to clear it for good. In the meantime, I've just been trying to run 4-5 hours of full screen content every day, and doing the white scroll bar a couple times a day.

After this experience, I would recommend people avoid gaming for any longer than an hour at a time (as Brando says) in the first 500 hours of TV use. And even then, keep Brightness and Contrast under 20, and Sharpness under 50. And run the white scroll bar for 5-10 minutes after each gaming session, along with watching some full-screen content.

I'll update my IR situation in the next 3-4 days.
post #1696 of 5206
I think its kind of funny that people would never know any of this information whether it is a real issue or not if we didnt have the internet.

Somebody just wants a nice TV so they go buy one like I did. They get it home and all hooked up and love the beautiful picture. Then they figure they will go look for some info on the Web just like I did. Then they find threads like this one and they start to worry about all this crap that they wouldnt have even known about if they didnt have the internet.

So then the same old questions are asked again and again.....

Can I watch TV with black bars?

Do I have to break my TV in? 100 hours or 200 hours or 1000 hours?

What about the station icons in the corner of the screen will they break my TV?

This question is my personal favorite....
All I watch is widescreen movies with black bars on top and bottom will this cause Burn In?
If thats all you watch then who gives a S**T if the black bars stay there?

There is so much good information on this site but you have to dig through so much crap that its very hard to find. I think there might be too much info for 90% of the people who buy new TV's and would probably never even notice IR or BI if they didnt read all these posts and then start looking for it.

Cant people just enjoy their new HDTV's? I would think that if break in was nessasary TV manufactures would either pre break in their sets or give you a break in DVD with the TV.

Edit:
I am sorry about this post its just that I got tired of seeing the same questions over and over again after reading many pages of this thread.
post #1697 of 5206
I have just started the break-in on my 500M and the screen is emitting a lot of heat (as well as heat coming from the rear vents of course). Is that normal?

I haven't owned a plasma before.
post #1698 of 5206
Hi im having a bit ( big ) issue with my new PN50B550 Samsung plasma.

Basically ive got burn in around 3 edges of my screen ( its a darker black ). That is visable when the tv is turned off ( powered off ) as well. Is that normal ?

Its definatly burn in because hrs and hrs of Scroll screen has done nothing. The tv has had no more than 20hrs on it ( atleast 5 being the scroll screen ).

The burn in is around the Left edge / right / top edge. Its about 8pixles wide on the left edge. 12 on the top and 12 on the right.

Sure i have watched limited ( less that 10mins at a time ) of tv that had black bars ( only widescreen bars tho ) as in on the top and bottom.

And i have not had any static images for more than 1min on the screen. And this horrible burn in happen in about a 1hr period when i had Burn in CD running ( yes it filled the screen perfectly ).

Is it faulty ?
post #1699 of 5206
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Originally Posted by moggi1964us View Post

I have just started the break-in on my 500M and the screen is emitting a lot of heat (as well as heat coming from the rear vents of course). Is that normal?

I haven't owned a plasma before.

yes, very normal for the 500m. Mine gets really hot and heats up the room if left on for 6+hrs. Its NORMAL though, no need to worry
post #1700 of 5206
I dont see how you could possibly cause permanent burn in on a TV that only has 20 hours on it and you stated that you never watched anything with black bars for more than 10 minutes at a time.
Also it wouldnt be only around the edges if it was from black bars.
Mabey there is something wrong with your set?
post #1701 of 5206
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Originally Posted by Instance56 View Post

Hi im having a bit ( big ) issue with my new PN50B550 Samsung plasma.

Basically ive got burn in around 3 edges of my screen ( its a darker black ). That is visable when the tv is turned off ( powered off ) as well. Is that normal ?

Its definatly burn in because hrs and hrs of Scroll screen has done nothing. The tv has had no more than 20hrs on it ( atleast 5 being the scroll screen ).

The burn in is around the Left edge / right / top edge. Its about 8pixles wide on the left edge. 12 on the top and 12 on the right.

Sure i have watched limited ( less that 10mins at a time ) of tv that had black bars ( only widescreen bars tho ) as in on the top and bottom.

And i have not had any static images for more than 1min on the screen. And this horrible burn in happen in about a 1hr period when i had Burn in CD running ( yes it filled the screen perfectly ).

Is it faulty ?

I dont see how you could possibly cause permanent burn in on a TV that only has 20 hours on it and you stated that you never watched anything with black bars for more than 10 minutes at a time.
Also it wouldnt be only around the edges if it was from black bars.
Mabey there is something wrong with your set?
post #1702 of 5206
@ Beaz

Yea it just dosen't add up. Nothing I've watched matches the burn in pattern. I called local shop where i bought it. Thier sending thier tech guy to have a look. Best be a new unit rdy to go . Thnx for your opinion.
post #1703 of 5206
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Originally Posted by stupidassdrummer View Post

yes, very normal for the 500m. Mine gets really hot and heats up the room if left on for 6+hrs. Its NORMAL though, no need to worry

I noticed this also and since I'm an overly fastidious idiot, I put a fan behind it (it's in a corner). Cooled the back of the panel nicely, although heat still noticeably emitted from the front. I figured it wouldn't hurt and maybe the circuits were a bit happier.
post #1704 of 5206
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Originally Posted by MrLucky View Post

I noticed this also and since I'm an overly fastidious idiot, I put a fan behind it (it's in a corner). Cooled the back of the panel nicely, although heat still noticeably emitted from the front. I figured it wouldn't hurt and maybe the circuits were a bit happier.

Thanks gents. I have done the same thing with a fan blowing over the bluray; the panel and the receiver. I'll take the receiver out of the mix tomorrow.
post #1705 of 5206
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Originally Posted by MrLucky View Post

I noticed this also and since I'm an overly fastidious idiot, I put a fan behind it (it's in a corner). Cooled the back of the panel nicely, although heat still noticeably emitted from the front. I figured it wouldn't hurt and maybe the circuits were a bit happier.

Its a good idea to keep the panel cool, however putting a fan blowing direct air into it, could push dust into/further into the panel. Possibly causing a problem later on down the road. If I was putting a fan in the back of my TV I would face it the opposite direction so that it pulls the hot air out of the panel.

I wish I could do that. I bought the ultra slim wall mount from monoprice, and I only have 3/4in room behind the TV. Not enough room for a fan. I barely got my connections in. TIGHT FIGHT but SUPER cool looking.
post #1706 of 5206
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Originally Posted by x cmon3y x View Post

fairly new around 100 hours by now, the games that left the dark outlines I played for no more then 3 hours at a time, i have all my pic settings below 40 and pixel orbiter on 1 minute

so its better leave the orbiter on 1 minute? i have it on automatic... im around 140 hours yesterday i play some killzone on my ps3 after play like 10 minutes when I QUIT the game on the black background I saw like a ghost image from the Map game and the Hud bar...and only play minutes,,,I run the dvd break and the ghosts desappear..my question I need to break at least 250 hours ?? i cant imagine if i play 1 hour ...can i get a burn image??
thks and sorry for my english
post #1707 of 5206
I use Automatic.
post #1708 of 5206
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Originally Posted by stupidassdrummer View Post

Its a good idea to keep the panel cool, however putting a fan blowing direct air into it, could push dust into/further into the panel. Possibly causing a problem later on down the road. If I was putting a fan in the back of my TV I would face it the opposite direction so that it pulls the hot air out of the panel.

I wish I could do that. I bought the ultra slim wall mount from monoprice, and I only have 3/4in room behind the TV. Not enough room for a fan. I barely got my connections in. TIGHT FIGHT but SUPER cool looking.

Hmm, I suppose it's possible to blow something in there but within this house and the location of the fan and I don't think it would be likely. Atmospheric scientists feel free to chime in here. If you really wanted to get a fan behind your panel, you could put it behind the drywall covered by an unobtrusive screen similar to those on in-wall speakers. You would have to make a sheet metal duct enclosure with openings for the fan intake and exhaust for the fan to rest in behind the drywall. It would be useful, flush to the wall, almost invisible and give you tech bragging rights on these forums.
post #1709 of 5206
Hi, i have a question about the break-in dvd i downloaded . i had never burned a dvd before.i saw on a thread where someone posted a picture of a gray slide and my dvd did'nt have a gray mine had red ,white ,blue, green.Did i do somthing wrong and not get all the colors or something? thanks
post #1710 of 5206
Watch the white image for awhile. You should notice a subtle change to a gray hue. I would not call it a true "gray". (Oh, God! unless mine is screwed up too!)
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