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post #181 of 4271
4/11/08 at 4:52am
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Originally Posted by kaiservt View Post

Look....I understand that I am bring something up again. But I don't think there is a need to be fired up about it. I am a guy asking an honest question. That's all. My respectfully submitted question still stands.

No problem.... heres the deal: Burn-in used to be much more of an issue that it is today. Actually, unless someone completely abuses the TV there is really no chance of burn-in at all. When I say abuse, I mean like video gaming for days on end with long pauses and no breaks at all. Or maybe using the set as a stock ticker monitor for weeks and weeks. You get the point..... for 99% of the viewing population a plasma will never burn-in. Period.

Burn-in is an LCD-supporter issue because LCD guys KNOW that plasma hands them their arse in almost every picture quality category so they need something to bring down plasma.

Get the Pioneer.... its an awesome set and burn-in wont be an issue!
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post #182 of 4271
4/11/08 at 5:04am
A quick follow up question. Would you go for the Pioneer 50 inch 1080p or go for a similar (less expensive) Panasonic model?
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post #183 of 4271
4/11/08 at 5:16am
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Originally Posted by kaiservt View Post

A quick follow up question. Would you go for the Pioneer 50 inch 1080p or go for a similar (less expensive) Panasonic model?

Go with the one that looks best to you and that you can afford. Then go by a Pioneer because if you read the threads here about how good Pioneer looks you're gonna feel really inadequate.
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post #184 of 4271
4/11/08 at 6:31am
any more input? the more the better. Thanks!
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post #185 of 4271
4/11/08 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by sunarf View Post

Yes....it has been talked about PAST the point of being annoying.

Do some searching!!! Read the OTHER "burn-in" threads....there are PLENTY of them!!!

When are these "burn-in" threads going to end?

+ 1. Why do people that ask the same annoying questions think they'll get different answers than the other 100 people that ask the SAME QUESTION?
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post #186 of 4271
4/11/08 at 7:35am
Hey, I understand where you're coming from because I have the same hesitation about "image retention" ("burn in" is when the image never goes away, which sounds impossible using the plasma technology out now).

Check out this thread which covers image retention.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1017839

Just to let you know, I am over my worries about plasmas. I think that whatever problems you still hear about regarding plasma tv's are from people who are hyper-paranoid about this or are unusual situations with very old plasma sets. If you want the best picture quality for sports, movies,and general hdtv watching and also plan on watching in a dark room, plasma would be a better choice....in my opinion.
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post #187 of 4271
4/11/08 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by sunarf View Post

Yes....it has been talked about PAST the point of being annoying.

Do some searching!!! Read the OTHER "burn-in" threads....there are PLENTY of them!!!

When are these "burn-in" threads going to end?

Was there a magic force that made you click on the thread
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post #188 of 4271
4/11/08 at 8:09am
To help quell fears I will quote myself from the stickied Burn-in thread:

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Originally Posted by ObiKenobi View Post

So to placate the hand wringers and counterattack the LCD trolls I'll repeat a story here that I heard either on another thread or in a plasma related article about IR and burn-in. Apparently a couple of the prominent plasma makers (Panasonic, Pioneer and Samsung I believe) had a static image being shown on some plasmas for 36 hours straight. Afterwards there was obvious some IR which after playing a loop of normal full screen content for some hours was completely washed away.

So the moral of the story is, if IR from a 36 hour static image can be completely washed away you won't have to worry about hours of gaming and watching letterboxed movies. You'd have be doing some major abuse to cause actual burn-in to your screen.
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post #189 of 4271
4/11/08 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by YMark View Post

+ 1. Why do people that ask the same annoying questions think they'll get different answers than the other 100 people that ask the SAME QUESTION?

Is burn-in a real issue? Is it something I should be concerned about?
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post #190 of 4271
4/11/08 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by burnsalkire View Post

Is burn-in a real issue? Is it something I should be concerned about?

Not sure if it is a concern. I know it used to be an issue, but I'm not sure if it still is. You might want to start a new thread about it and see what others think.
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post #191 of 4271
4/11/08 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by YMark View Post

You might want to start a new thread about it and see what others think.

Great idea.
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post #192 of 4271
4/11/08 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by burnsalkire View Post

Is burn-in a real issue? Is it something I should be concerned about?

Oh yes, definitely an issue to worry about. If you pause a DVD to get up and go take a leak, game over. That image will be there for the life of your plasma. You should buy an LCD to avoid all possiple negative issues.
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post #193 of 4271
4/11/08 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by speedracer_rt/10 View Post

Oh yes, definitely an issue to worry about. If you pause a DVD to get up and go take a leak, game over. That image will be there for the life of your plasma. You should buy an LCD to avoid all possiple negative issues.

LOL..........You know what we do with LCD trolls in these here parts don't ya?

PS,
I know you're just kidding.
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post #194 of 4271
4/11/08 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by speedracer_rt/10 View Post

Oh yes, definitely an issue to worry about. If you pause a DVD to get up and go take a leak, game over. That image will be there for the life of your plasma. You should buy an LCD to avoid all possiple negative issues.

Gag me with spoon I'd have a bed pan next to my Lazy-Boy recliner before I'd buy an LCD
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post #195 of 4271
4/11/08 at 2:20pm
This is a REALLY stupid question, but I have to ask just to be certain. Instead of using the break in DVD, I am simply leaving my plasma on an SD TV station set to "zoom" to avoid static letter box and TV logo images. Does it matter that the channel is SD and not HD? Sorry for the REALLY stupid question, but I see recommendations for viewing HD channels and not SD for break in, and I am new to plasmas
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post #196 of 4271
4/11/08 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by Mitmonk View Post

This is a REALLY stupid question, but I have to ask just to be certain. Instead of using the break in DVD, I am simply leaving my plasma on an SD TV station set to "zoom" to avoid static letter box and TV logo images. Does it matter that the channel is SD and not HD? Sorry for the REALLY stupid question, but I see recommendations for viewing HD channels and not SD for break in, and I am new to plasmas

The resolution of the content you watch doesn't matter, you just want to make sure to have something that fills the entire screen.
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post #197 of 4271
4/11/08 at 2:33pm
Nope. So long as you have all the square inches of the display covered makes no difference.
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post #198 of 4271
4/11/08 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by ObiKenobi View Post

The resolution of the content you watch doesn't matter, you just want to make sure to have something that fills the entire screen.

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Originally Posted by Mach1Man View Post

Nope. So long as you have all the square inches of the display covered makes no difference.

Thanks for helping me out with my ignorance! I didn't think resolution mattered but wanted to be certain. Are there any benefits using the break-in DVD versus leaving the TV on a particular station without any static images? Do the uniform images looped in the break-in have an advantage during the first 100 hours as opposed to the method I am using? Thanks again!
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post #199 of 4271
4/13/08 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by Mitmonk View Post

Thanks for helping me out with my ignorance! I didn't think resolution mattered but wanted to be certain. Are there any benefits using the break-in DVD versus leaving the TV on a particular station without any static images? Do the uniform images looped in the break-in have an advantage during the first 100 hours as opposed to the method I am using? Thanks again!

I just got a 4280 and am doing both Burin-in DVD for 2 -3 hours (1st time and going forward), but am also watching EVERYTHING with the IMAGE fully covering the screen.
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post #200 of 4271
4/14/08 at 5:41am
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Originally Posted by kaiservt View Post

A quick follow up question. Would you go for the Pioneer 50 inch 1080p or go for a similar (less expensive) Panasonic model?

Hey, fellow Vermonter! Im in Norwich Vt. I have a Kuro 4280 that I bought about 2 months ago. I will give you the skinny: First Burn In : I was more carefull the first 200 hrs(no break in dvd) But I still played games excessivly! Make sure the Orbitor is on and dont leave a paused screen up longer than 30 min. and your golden. I play Socom Navy seals with 2-3 huds up and have put in several 8hr + sessions with no issues. 2nd issue: 50 or 42 ? Well your gonna have to track a 42 down, they are not at Best buy any longer and are fading from online stores fast. I would have bought the 50 if money was not an issue. The 42 is great for games but Blu rays with bars of course look smaller as they do not fill the screen. So a 50 would be nice for a bigger movie picture but I am just nit picking, the 42 is quite nice! PS: To the people who are hating on this thread: Hello! Its a "BURN IN" thread!! If your tired of readingabout burn in dont visit the dam thread genius!!!!!
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post #201 of 4271
4/14/08 at 5:54am
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Originally Posted by greenjp View Post

This is the truth. While arguing this topic in another post, somebody said "do a search and look at all the burn in threads, it must be a problem." Well I did do a search and it turns out that almost every single thread that came up was just a bunch of worrying and hand wringing about it, but no actual burn in, just a boat load of plasma owners chiming in to report that they haven't had any problems.

I broke my 50PX77U in by putting it in standard mode with the contrast at 0 for the first week. I gamed on it starting day 1, and watched movies and TV shows in all possible format. No break in DVDs. After a week I turned the settings up to those recommended by CNET and have continued to use the TV like a TV. Probably 2/3 of it's time is spent gaming, the remaining time mostly watching sports with the occasional movie thrown in. No IR, no burn in, no nothing. Just a sweet TV.

Call me a plasma fanboy if you want, but that's my real experience and it makes me think all this stuff is silly.

jeff

I would agree for the most part. Someone has told me that Panasonic says to break-in the newer plasmas (I have a 50" 85u) using Standard and I broke it in using Cinema, but kept levels at 50 or lower. Other than one stuck pixel (it bounce back a minute later), I've had no problems. I've been a good boy as far as black bars and gaming...at least until I'm closer to 1000 hours (yes...I'm anal). But I don't see any differnce between breaking in a plasma in Standard over Cimema

My only issue has been with the Smithsonian HD channel..they have this very solid, white logo and it left IR after watching an hour program. After running the break-in DVD for 30 minutes or so, it went away. I wish these idiots would go to a transparent logo, like all the other HD channels
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post #202 of 4271
4/14/08 at 6:01am
Panasonic Plasma owners...what is the difference between using the pixel orbiter on "automatic" and "force" at level 4? I would assume that automatic would do the best job?

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post #203 of 4271
4/14/08 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by rkish View Post

Panasonic Plasma owners...what is the difference between using the pixel orbiter on "automatic" and "force" at level 4? I would assume that automatic would do the best job?

Thanks

From what i've read in the PX80 owners thread, the general idea is that "Force 1" is the best. This is from people contacting Panasonic directly... we still don't know what it actually "means".
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post #204 of 4271
4/15/08 at 5:30am
Well...just when I thought I was out of the woods.

After more than 200 hours, I noticed a "stuck pixel" that hasn't gone back to normal after about 6 hours of running the break-in DVD. Can it take a while for a stuck pixel to remedy itself? It seems to either be either red or black, as it hides when these colors come up on the break-in DVD. It's NOT grey, as I've been told dead pixels look like.

Any feel-good insight for me

Thanks!
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post #205 of 4271
4/15/08 at 5:37am
JScreenFix (a free application) usually help with stuck pixel (NOT dead pixel). YMMV, but in most cases it works.
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post #206 of 4271
4/15/08 at 7:48am
I just downloaded the burned the break in dvd. I tried playing it on my computer and it plays but nothing shows up on the screen except black.

Will my tv Pioneer 5010 show the dvd playing. I assume there should be more then just BLACK. Or is that what the break in dvd is.

Another thing I notice it does not loop. It stops after chapter 16.

Please advise.

Thanks
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post #207 of 4271
4/15/08 at 8:26am
Hey everyone. I've been reading the forums trying to find an answer to my question so I might as well go the direct route. I bought my Panasonic plasma TH-42PX60U back in June of 06. I knew very little about the technology back then and was pretty ignorant and left the TV on the current settings. Well, I seem to be getting some image retention now when I play a game for even 30 minutes. My question is would it be a good idea to run a break-in dvd for 100 hours or so then turn the video settings to its optimal settings from the THX optimizer? Or should I just turn the picture setting real low for a while and skip the break in dvd because it is too little too late. None of the images stay there forever but they do get annoying.
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post #208 of 4271
4/15/08 at 11:07pm
Hi everyone! After adjusting picture settings while watching movies and playing video games, I noticed I can still see the outline of the menu options when my PZ85 is displaying an all black background (for instance, selecting an output such as HDMI 3 with no device hooked into it). I have had the TV on a regular channel with no static images for about an hour now but can still somewhat make out the outline of words such as "sharpness, brightness, save changes" etc. when I switch back to an all black and am sitting very close to the TV. Should I be concerned about this? Would it be necessary to leave the TV on until this fades?

The problem isn't noticeable when the TV is displaying an image, which makes me wonder if it is a problem at all. Any help is greatly appreciated, since I am new to plasmas I am concerned turning the TV off before the outline fades could be harmful, but am sure if I should be. Thanks!
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post #209 of 4271
4/16/08 at 12:37am
quick question...

...what did everyone use to break in their tvs?

is the break in dvd with the full screen colors the best way?...or can you use tv and movies?...also is it better to use a high def signal when doing this? and how long should the tv be left on at one time...like 5 hour intervals or more like all day?
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post #210 of 4271
4/16/08 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by Veri7as View Post

quick question...

...what did everyone use to break in their tvs?

is the break in dvd with the full screen colors the best way?...or can you use tv and movies?...also is it better to use a high def signal when doing this? and how long should the tv be left on at one time...like 5 hour intervals or more like all day?

For the first 200 hours I displayed 95% full screen high def programming and full screen dvd's. No horizontal or vertical black bars. I did watch a small amount of SD programming with gray vertical bars. My logic was, if I'm going to put hours on the set and burn the electricity, I might as well get some enjoyment out of it. Most folk say a 100 break in should be performed but, I was so pleased with the new PQ that it made the first 200 hours fly by.
I ran my Pioneer up to 10 hours a day.
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