Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 64

I have been following this forum since I got my Panny 46gw10 (European version) about three months ago. The information provided by members has been invaluable for me. So I thought I should contribute to this forum by sharing my experience for the last three months with regards to IR.

I've got about 500 hours on the set so far and roughly 200 hrs of that with break-in slides. First of all I never had an issue that was visible during normal viewing. However, I occasionally inspect the screen when the room is dark and when there is no input, and I see ghost images, mostly from channels with solid white logos. From what I have seen on the screen, it seems to me there are two different types of ghost images that are left on the screen;

- If watch a channel with a bright logo for say 10 minutes and go to a no input screen in a dark room, I can clearly see a positive ghost image of the logo (i.e. if it is a bright logo the ghost image is also bright). I believe this is due to the residual charge left in those pixels that were displaying the bright white logo. This type of ghost image disappears immediately if watch some other full screen content.

- There are a few channels that have those bright white logos, and if I watch them 2-3 hrs, this time what I see is a negative ghost image of their logo (i.e. the pixels that were displaying those bright logos are darker relative to the rest of the screen). To clear this type of ghost image takes much longer (at least 3 to 4 times longer than the time it takes to create the IR). I guess this is what is called the temporary IR and is caused by the uneven aging of the phosphorus in those pixels. I think this can lead to permanent IR or more correctly a Burn In if these logos are displayed for too long. Of course I don't know how long is too long.

However, I should note that in either case the ghost image is not visible unless I am standing very close (about less than 3 fts) to the screen with no input etc. So this has not been a serious problem so far although I should admit that it bothers me a little since I have to pay attention to what I watch for how long. Apart from this, I can tell you that I am quitr happy with my decision to go with a plasma...

Cheers

How long is too long? I can no longer find a link but there was a study done by Pioneer or Panasonic about three or four generations ago where they left a static image on the screen of several plasma display units for 72 hours. There was significant IR on all plasma displays however after 24 hours of normal programming that filled the screen, IR was no longer visible.

That gives me an idea about how careful I should be to avoid a permanent problem. Thanks for the reply !

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What you are referring to is the study by IDC.
The results are published in the White Paper called "Mythbusting - Just the Facts on Plasma TV Performance" by IDC:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pi...0-%20FINAL.pdf

BTW, the static image was displayed for 48hrs, not 72hrs; the details of the image retention study begin on page 4.

Thanks for the link, geister.

1. has anyone used the burn in images with an sd memory card?

2. much programming i like is broadcast in standard, anything special to do when viewing on a new plasma?

3. also what about those black bars on?

1) Im not using it but from reading it should be no problem

2) Just make sure you are viewing in full, with no bars

3) Try and leave those black bars off for the beginning


Also, I saw someone mention the movies in 1.85:1 for safe viewing in break in mode. Here is a list I found of the blu rays in that mode if anyone needs

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=9502

Hello everyone. I have slight burn in my Pioneer Pro-930HD from my SA8300HD STB TV 4:3 TV guide. I have been able to "wash" away through rugular TV viewing my cable providers logo on the top left, however, I still have a vertical line on the left.

Can this be "washed away" over time or am I stuck with this image retention.

I believe I received this burn in when I activated the 4:3 TV guide and walked away when the phone rang and I forgot that the TV was still on for a good number of long hours.

Thanks

Wow... I am about to get a new TV for the bedroom, and I was about to take advantage of the incredible prices out there for 40" and smaller plasmas.

After reading this thread, I am completely spooked.

But.. then again... I don't play games, and I stretch SD to use the full screen.

I want a TV to be used only to watch TV, and I will not be running any maintenance DVDs for weeks at a time, or anything like that, especially since the TV will be in the room where I sleep.

I'd rather pay more for something that will work without worry.

So based on my statements above: Should I avoid plasma?

no...because you are not watching sd content with the sidebars and wont have any static images on your screen...plasma should work just fine for you

Like darkthrone said, plasma will be fine for you. You won't find any new plasmas at 40" or smaller though. The smallest new plasma HDTV available commercially is 42".

I am currently in the midst of renovating my basement, which I will be making one area into a home theatre of sorts. I found a pretty good deal on a Pioneer Plasma (pdp-5010fd for $1100 Can.) from a gentleman in my area, and promptly bought it from him.
My question is, since I haven't used or even turned on the TV in a number of months, will I need to break-in the TV in again? When I am finished the basement within the next month or so, the display will not have been turned on for about 4-5 months. Does the TV require me to break it in again due to the fact it hasn't been used in so long? The display has low hours as-is, and the guy I got it from used a break-in DVD for the initial 150 hrs.

1. I copied the files to the SD card, popped it in and ran the Slideshow on "Medium" display speed - make sure it is set to loop also. If it does not fill the screen, you have done something wrong.

2. Some say black bars are not good during the first 100-200 hours. You can just mix up your programming so that you view enough full screen content. Or set the bars to "bright" per the manual on Page 37 & 60. Or - run the built-in white scrolling bar for a while after watching 4:3 content (also Page 37 & 60).

3. See #2.

The point is to go easy on static high-contrast content during the more critical first 100-200 hours.

I have a PN50B860... my 2nd one as my first one had the buzzing sound everyone's talking about. Regardless I had the first one for about a month, and while I was kind about turning down the brightness, I pretty much jumped right in with video games with static images. I.e. inFamous.

I noticed very very little is any IR at all on that TV. I absolutely never noticed it after watching channels with stationary logos on it (History Channel, news, etc).

However... the new TV I received 3 weeks ago I notice IR all the time. Whether it's video games, SD programming with the black bars, stationary logos on the news, etc. I'm not sure why this TV is very different from the last (same model and manufacturer).

My main question is.. I've probably watched about 100 hours of TV on it right now. With more viewing, is the IR supposed to lessen? At this point, it's noticable after roughly 5 minutes of viewing a static image and has me very very cautious about leaving anything up. I don't want to be a nut and freak out about leaving anything on my TV ever. I'd rather get one that won't retain images as easily (i.e. the first TV i had).

No, you don't need to break it in. Enjoy an awesome plasma display.

Hi guys,

This is my first plasma (P54V10). I've owned a huge ass rear proj from 2001.

I'm still in my first 100 hours and I'm keeping all image options 50 or below. 30 in some cases.

I do play some games, like madden and will be playing it some this weekend. Probably for a couple hours. On that game specifically, it has a bar at the bottom for scores/time, etc. However, throughout a game, it doesn't stay static. It'll go away during pick plays, halftime, game setup, etc.

So my question is, how long does a static image have to be on the screen for it to cause some concern and how long do I need to switch the image for.

What's a general rule of thumb here, if I have static image #1 on screen for xx minutes, I should switch the picture up for xx minutes then safely go back to the static image #1 again.

Any general rules here? Are we talking about IR happening in minutes, hours, days?

Thanks!

Does running break-in slides help remove image retention better than running regular full screen programming or scrolling feature in a Panasonic plasma, or is there no difference between those options?

You will get IR, sometimes after only seconds but it goes away very quickly and is not generally visible in normal viewing. Usually,the only way to see IR is on a blank or solid color screen. Go ahead and play Madden, you'll be fine.

ok guys so i just bought a 50 inch panny g10 and it is arriving tomorrow. i have read a whole bunch of info in the supposed break in but i still have some questions.

i have heard some say that with high end plasmas like panasonic now a days the break in is not neccessary and was needed more for older models and tech...agree or disagree?

i just want to make sure 100% i do this right so here is what i am planning on doing, please add to this if needed...

i just turn the brightness and contrast an maybe some other settings down to 50% and only watch full screen material. are static images just completely still images like when you pause something or do they also include channel logos that are on pretty much every channel? if you watch tv regularly it is almost impossible to avoid still channel logos so what should i do? come channels like cnn and espn have black bars on the side or tickers that i dont think can be removed in HD...can i still watch those channels? for how long at a time? i hear people say dont watch this or that for hours on end...exactly how long are we talking about? can i play video games on the TV when new and for how long at a time if so? the dude at best buy said he played video games on his for a long while when he first got his TV.

i am thinking about running the break in DVD at night and watching regular tv during the day for the first 100-120 hours...is this a good strategy? is the break in DVD primarly used to just get through the break in period faster to avoid any possibile damage and age the pixels more evenly? from what i have read it seems like more of a time thing.

now about the break in formats...http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloa...nload_main.htm

...i dont know if my computer burns DVDs and i would go out and have to get dvdr if it did. i read about a couple other ways of formatting the images but i am not tech savvy so help me out. it says i can put the images on a memory card...what kind of memory card will be able to go into the TV? i have a memory stick for my digital camera...will that work?

i also heard about putting the images on CDR on SVCD format? do older dvd players or ps2s play this kind of cdr format? what if i dont have an HDMI cable just yet? is there any way i can hook my computer up to the TV and use the images for the TV?

should i just forget all of this and enjoy the damn thing?
sorry for the long post...but i would appreciate any help.

Eh, I ran the break in disc for about 20 hours. After that I just watched regular tv, but stuck with the full screen. The static logos are pretty much impossible to get rid of, unless you can zoom, and alot of the time it will be there still, even if by just a little bit.

I have a Panny 42s series, and have been watching sports on it, and have been nervous, because they keep the scores up always (football, hockey, b-ball), but I havent noticed anything, so maybe I was just paranoid?

I felt the same way at first, but then realized that life is short and I should be enjoying the set. If I do ever see burn in damage, I'll throw the set away and chalk it up to a bad experience. But I will put the Horns on all the fanboys who helped talk me into getting a plasma set.

I just purchased an LG 50" and nowhere in the manual that came in the box was burn in mentioned.

Is this even a concern on newer models? Do I really need to use a break in cd?

What about the horizontal black bars? Should movies and tv shows with this be avoided?

This should be enough information for you for your answer.

I've just purchased this set and I've been reading everything that I can on IR (Image Retention), the break-in period and how to break in. My question is, will it hurt if I watch a Dvd movie with the black bars above and below the screen during the break-in? I have no experience with plasma. BTW, I posted this is the general thread as well with no answer. I love this TV so far....
Thanks
jj

I would avoid it within your first 100 hours of use or so. Some people may say don't worry about it though, but I would not do it just to be safe. You can zoom in and get rid of the black bars too.

I found the 20 slide files for break-in but can't find the link or files for the 120 slides. Help?

Panasonic plasma, pixel orbiter Automatic or Periodic (1) minute?

Anyone know how much better Periodic (1) is compared to Automatic in terms of minimizing IR? Or is there not really any noticeable or significant difference?

Periodic 1 is the best for it. I think automatic comes on 4 minutes after

thanks for sharing informative views here...really i glad to be part of this forum. learn about lot of things i was not aware about