Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 8

Originally Posted by mbnzgrl

I posted this below on the normal threads, but I thought I would post here too. Thanks for any responses.

Hi guys,

I just ordered my 42PZ85U and want to get things prepared for it. Here's my questions:

1) I have a 6 year old DVD player (going to upgrade in time), but is it ok for me to use this old player to run the break-in DVD?

2) And the solid colors running on the break-in DVD should help me to see dead pixels, correct? Or is there another way to find out?

3) Also, can I use this player for the DVE disk?

4) Until I decide on upconvert DVD player or blu-ray, what kind of connections do I need to optimize PQ for watching SD DVDs? My old DVD player is a non-progressive scan, has video and S component.

Btw, thanks for this forum and all on it for helping me get this far!

Originally Posted by WilliamR

Its not that any particular TV needs the break in DVD, but if you are using a Plasma TV its a good idea to break it in first. The plasma's cells need some time to "break in" and it helps them to prevent IR because they have been used for awhile and not as prone to IR.

How are you checking for IR? You need to turn the TV to an input that has no signal coming to it, stand close to the TV and have no lights on, that is the best way to see any IR. Its not normal viewing but it will help.

Originally Posted by igreg

I don't follow this recommendation. If you turn the TV to an input that has no signal coming to it all you will see is a black screen. How is that going to show IR? Thanks.

Originally Posted by cheaptimes

I have a simple question and I know it has been asked many times but i'll be specific to my situation. I play xbox 360 and ps3 games and when I find a game I like I will only play that game until I am finished with it for example with blue dragon for the 360 I clocked about 200 hours over a period of 4 months playing anywhere from 2-5 hours a day 4-7 days a week and on my lcd this was about 80-90% of the tv's use. My question is if I switch the input on my panny 50px80u to a full screen display every hour or so when I go outside to have a smoke will this prevent any long term problems or is the fact that I am displaying the same static image for 200-300 hours regardless of giving it a 10 min break every hour of gaming.

Originally Posted by igreg

May be a simple question but maybe a difficult one to answer? That is, how much game playing can cause burn-in? Are a few hours totally safe even if the game has a static icon? At what point does a concern exist? I would not think you would need to take any break if you are just playing 2 tyo 5 hours?

Alternatively, could the burn-in effect be cumulative and cause problems even if a few hours don’t? That is, if like you a person plays the same gave for hundreds of hours is there a problem with cumulative use even in you only game for a few hours at a time?

Originally Posted by airhostess

You will see image retention after a hard core gaming session, I typically play 5 hrs and if some of my friends come by we can blow an evening playing.

The transparent HUD's like in Halo 3 don't really leave any IR behind (on my Sam/5044), but the hard HUDs do leave some IR. On my panel it remains consistent, if I play 30 mins or if I play 18 hours I seem to get the same IR. It evaporates in 30-1hr.

Permanent burn is a thing of the past (If it ever was a quotable fact), I have yet to see proof of perm-burn, even on commercial plasma sets used at airports, ski lodges and bars.

IR varies from brand to brand, some report worse recovery times some report better, and if they report none then they lie or wear serious prescription specks.

Originally Posted by airhostess

Permanent burn is a thing of the past (If it ever was a quotable fact), I have yet to see proof of perm-burn, even on commercial plasma sets used at airports, ski lodges and bars.

Originally Posted by michaelv

I just realize that i have 400 hours on Pioneer 6010FD . I occasionally watch dvd with full screen (black bars on top and bottom). Mostly, i am in zoom mode...I guess it should be ok to go back to normal mode. By the way, User mode with dot-to-dot is awesome on regular DVD.

cheers.

Originally Posted by David Susilo

Not true. I've tried getting rid of IR from literally more than 100 plasmas used at an airport and even after running all kinds of images for 48 hours, NONE of the burn in disappeared. They are commercial NEC plasma monitors.

This was back in December 2007 (yes, 2007, not 1997)

Originally Posted by burnsalkire

I presume the airport abuses the snot out of them.

Originally Posted by David Susilo

PS: I agree that showing flight info, terminal directions SHOULD be considered as abused, but I'm just responding to airhostess' claim that not even airports have burn-in problem and this is a bogus claim. I've seen it in various airports in Canada, Australia, Singapore, even the new Hong Kong airports are already showing signs of burn-in.

Originally Posted by David Susilo

why do I need to take pictures when I did the project way back when in December of 2007 when I didn't even know that this thread exists?

Besides, at the other airports... how am I supposed to take pics when no camera is allowed.

Regardless how many hours when you say "with serious IR and today, no-IR" a week? a month? several months?

PS: if permanent burn is bogus then manufacturers, service technicians, extended warranty companies are all stupid, pixel orbiter is also useless, grey bars when watching 4:3 they are all pointless right?

Originally Posted by dasracht

Hello,

I'm considering buying a new plasma soon, but I fear IR. Could someone be so kind as to answer one specific question for me?

My son will use the plasma to play video games, and the biggest IR risk seems to be a full saturday of game playing. Will this create IR to an unacceptable degree with static menus? I've heard lots of advice in this thread and others about switching up the content and using a screen wipe feature, but all this advice is going to be forgotten when the game begins.

Could someone comment on this situation for me? The set I'm leaning towards is the new 58A550. I wouldn't be able to afford a Pioneer, although I understand their IR prevention is superior.

Thanks in advance for humoring yet another new guy.

Originally Posted by David Susilo

orbiters and shifters are NOT to remove IR but to PREVENT permanent burn in. Now, if there is no risk of permanent burn-in, why prevent it? or do these designers of these TVs are only having fun?

There is no "fabled test" as you sarcastically put. There is burn in, I tried to "erase" the image by playing regular TV programming for 48 hours, the burn in remains.

I don't want to debate about "nobody stopping" you while taking pictures. There are signage that disallow people to take pictures. Maybe if you're using point and shoot nobody's going to stop you because nobody notices. I travel with 2 big dSLR with 4 lenses in two big camera bags. Even going through security is PITA. I've been stopped when I was about to take pictures at airports in Toronto, Calgary, Singapore, Indonesia even in Hong Kong (although I do see there are a LOT of point shooters being ignored by security). Heck, even at Paramount's Wonderland (Toronto) I wasn't allowed in because my cameras are considered "pro" by those idiots "guarding" the park.

I'm not saying that today's plasma still have burn-in, I'm just saying that burn-in is true. I've seen it, I tried erasing it and it's still there.

PS: pixel shifter haven't been around for too long. Maybe only in the past 3 years.

Originally Posted by igreg

Excellent question. I have yet to see an answer about how long a peson can play a video game with a static icon without concern for burn-in. Perhaps because no standard answer is out there?