Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 71

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Could someone be so kind to send me the break in images? my email is max.starr@yahoo.com

Thanks,

I just downloaded the files to flash drive...I have the zip folder and all the files unzipped. When i put this in the tv, will it automatically start playing, or do i need to do something else? I've got a Samsung PN58B550 inbound.

You should have them now.

Thanks alot for the images!!!

When I try and download the file it causes internet explorer to go crazy. Does anyone else have another source of break-in images I could try? Thanks

Did you not get my email? You shouldn't have to download anything..just save the images to a flash drive from your email.

when i would click on the image file my IE8 would go crazy and begin to try and open dozens of windows? Dont know what the cause could be, but i know its not good. lol

They're just jpgs. They should open in picture and fax viewer most likely if you have them saved to your desktop.

Let me ask again... Has anyone successfully used this product to reduce burn-in (not image retention) effects?

It's not horribly expensive ($40), and the company claims a 70% success rate (which is more prepossessing than a 95% claim), but I don't want to waste my money.

Thank you.

Same up here in Canada, CTV always had their logo transparent but for some reason during the Olympics they have gone with full color.

I'm a first time plasma buyer and am looking at the samsung b850/860. However, i watch alot of blu rays and play a fair amount of video games with static images(huds, game scores). On many blu rays the aspect ratio is 2.35:1, thus having black bars on top and bottom of the movie. Even after the initial "break in period", am i going to have potential IR or burn in problems from that. Also im not a big fan of having to break my tv in as i'm really impatient and dont want to have to wait to show of the tvs power to my friends. So basically im just wondering if plasma tvs are right for me. Ive always wanted on but never thought IR or burn in was that big of deal but after reading about it, it got me thinking twice.

Please read the following and stop worrying about breakin to prevent IR:
http://www.electronichouse.com/artic...lasma_burn_in/

Do you guys know if running the "wiping" program too much can damage the tv?

Thanks!

I highly doubt it. That feature is only for hardcore image retention though. You can't have that bad IR to be using it that much, can you?

Quick question: I've just purchased my first plasma, a beautiful 58" Samsung. I've been running the break-in DVD while sleeping and working, and playing full-screen content between. However, I have watched one Blu-ray in 2.35:1 with black bars (there is a gray bar option for 4:3 content but I can't find a similar option for horizontal bars). There was some image retention afterward, but it cleared up quickly. Is it alright to watch a movie with black bars now and then during the break-in period? Samsung's guideline says it's alright for two hours or less at a time, and I'm unlikely to go beyond that, but I'd like an opinion from an experienced plasma owner.

The problem there is that the black bars are on the disc itself; the TV has no way of knowing they're there. With that said, I wouldn't worry about it as long as you follow Samsung's guidelines.

Oh, d'uh, I hadn't thought of that.

I've got pixel shift enabled and, like I said, I've been running the break-in images for long periods and am already noticing less and less retention. My understanding is that burn-in is pretty rare these days unless you're abusing your panel, and I treat my electronics like holy relics, so I'm not too worried about it, but I wanted another take, and this sentence is getting far too long.

Thanks for the quick response!

Why are you breaking it in? Does Samsung recommend break-in?

No, but the consensus among plasma owners seems to be that it's a good idea to do so (although the amount of hours is up for debate -- I've seen everything from 100 to 1000 hours), even if the manufacturer doesn't recommend it. My understanding is that technological advances in plasma have more or less made burn-in a thing of the past, but this TV was a pretty hefty investment and I want to be on the safe side.

Still, I haven't been running the break-in images for close to 100 hours and I've already seen much less retention after long gaming sessions, so I think I'm going to up the brightness and contrast a bit and see how it fares.

^ It is by no means a consensus. I don't think there's anything wrong with running a break-in DVD but it's totally unnecessary, in my opinion and that of many others. People need to stop freaking out about a little temporary image retention, it fades quickly and is not a big deal. It is rarely visible during normal viewing. Just enjoy your plasma, watch what you want. I've been doing that for over three years on my two Panny plasmas with no ill effects.

Well, it's not really the retention I was concerned about so much as the phosphors aging unevenly. I would think that over time that would result in uneven brightness on the screen.

Now I've noticed that on the right side of the screen are two vertical streaks that are slightly darker than the rest of the screen. It's only visible when the entire screen is black, but it's very distracting. Is this sort of thing normal?

You hit the nail on the head. I feel the same way. I'm not breaking my plasma in to prevent image retention/burn-in, I'm breaking it in to age the phosphors evenly in a shorter amount of time.

People can do whatever they choose, it's their TV. To say that it is completely unnecessary, though, is not accurate. Since there is a point to break-in (even aging of phosphors over a small amount of time), it should not be labeled unnecessary.

If you buy from a place that has a short return policy, I think it's a good idea to do a break-in. Not only will you allow the phosphors to settle in quicker, you have the potential to recognize any defects with the set as break-in is somewhat of a stress test (to me) as well.

+1

Do you have evidence to support these statements?

Have you ever seen a screen that has been purported to have uneven wearing of phosphors?

No, but like I said, I have very little experience with plasmas. I have, however, seen images online depicting what one would look like should it occur. Granted, it would probably take a very long time to get to that point, but I'd just as soon avoid it altogether if possible. Sorry if I sound like a newbie, but I am one.

No, but do you have evidence to state otherwise? The fact is that plasma uses phosphors that age rapidly within the first 500 hours. With break-in slides, which typically consist of red, green, blue and variations of white/black, you are guaranteeing that those phosphors are aged evenly over the first 100-200 hours.

If you watch regular content, the phosphors will age but, most likely, at a variable rate. It will eventually catch up to other phosphors and even out, but the time it takes to do so may be longer.

I would suggest a break-in if you want to get your set calibrated, either by an ISF professional or a DIY job using a colorimeter. Your picture does change within the first few hundred hours. Break-in assures that the service menu calibration that's done will last you a while.

Yes, actually the millions of people who purchase PDP's and haven't run break-in slides who haven't complained about uneven phosphor wear.


No different than watching the display normally with full screen content...law of averages...


I would qualify by saying if you want it calibrated ASAP...otherwise watching varied content will get you there just the same...

I really want to believe burn-in is a thing of the past and that what I have is a severe case of image retention.

This is what happened with my p42g15e. After having used it for around 60 hours (according to the service menu) with brightness/contrast just below 50% I put my computer desktop on it at 1080p.

Then I made the stupid mistake leaving my desktop on for about 1 hour, 1.5 hours max WITH QUICKLAUNCH ICONS. The quicklaunch icons left an after image. I was scared out of my wits and turned the contrast/brightness down to about 40%. I decided not to use the computer anymore and just let it show a variety of regular SD and HD content.

Around 100 hours usage I could still see the after images of the icons, especially on a bright white and pitch black screen. I could also see it when viewing regular content from about 4 ft (~122cm) away (which is close, I know).

Then I decided to use the anti after-image retention functions from the service menu (european g15 models don't have them in the regular menu). I used the scrolling bar for an hour and subsequently I used the white wash function for half an hour, but to no avail. The next day I tried the white wash again for half an hour, but the after images would not diminish.

It's now been 90 hours of usage since the image retention started to appear, and it still hasn't diminished. I hope it won't be, but it does seem to be permanent. After all, from what I've read, especially with the newer models it should be gone in seconds, minutes, hours, perhaps days, yet it hasn't disappeared 90 hours of usage later.

I've now made my desktop all black, hid the taskbar etc and configured a good screensaver which engages after 1 minute, so I won't have that problem anymore. I'll be just watching regular content for now and I still hope this is a severe case of image retention, but I'm starting to doubt it.

Has anyone experienced image retention for such a long time or is this a genuine burn-in (however rare it is one seems to occur)?