Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 74

I do have 1 question about the break-in DVD... I noticed that the images start with the white slides, then blue, then back to white, then green, then back to white, then red, then back to white before doing blue again. Is all the white slides good for the pixels since there aren't as many blue/green/red slides?

thank you!

Well i can see some of the map in a normal picture like watching TV but only if i am within a foot of the tv...i still play the game..will it get any worse or will it stay just like it is now? ughhh

How would you fix a TV that has burn in..replace the panel?

I tried searching the forum and this specific post for a setting for the V10 series but have been unable to find anything definitive. I plan on using the webapalooza slides, so I suspect I cannot use D-nices settings. Does anyone have any settings for these slides on the 58v10 and 65v10. Also, I wanted to ask about zoom, etc. Some ppl say don't worry about it while others say only watch the shops in zoom - no letterbox. Also, how long do you run the slides each day? Some posts have said 8-10 hours. Is that right? Seems like overkill. If this is the recommended time how do you do this - via the timer? Thanks in advance.

Ok, question that I cannot seem to find an answer. I have read many threads about using breakin DVDs for 150+ hours. What if I have not done this and the TV is already at 330 hours? Does it make sense to still do it? thanks for your help.

Well, this is no good. All the credible looking information on the net now says that burn-in is no longer a problem. But it clearly is even after just 1.5hrs of static quick launch icons. And a CoD HUD that won't go away after 6 weeks of normal use.

I just had one of the dev's for MAG PM me the other day on their forums telling me how they have no plans to add a HUD opacity option because "new plasmas don't get burn-in".

So the myth isn't actually a myth after all. Looks like I will be holding onto my Sony Wega for games without any HUD config options.

@Lynch25: No need to break it in after it's already been broken in xD

What I've been doing at the moment when playing MAG on the plasma is using the aspect ratio options to switch between 1:1 pixel mapping, a slight overscan mode, and then a 16:9 zoom mode at the weakest setting. That gives me 3 different places for the HUD elements and with pixel orbiter on so I should probably be good for 2hrs/day

Do you see these images sticking out during regular viewing? Or only on a no signal screen?

If it's the latter, you're fine and over reacting. If it's the former, then by god it might be a problem.

I've strictly watched MLB and ESPN with their tickers and scoreboard bugs and have not had anything stick around. Just give it some time.

BTW, baseball games are a good 3 hours long and usually consecutive nights. I'm sure I would've caught something by now.

Actually, it probably would work, but I don't know how you'd get the image to use. It would have to be pixel EXACT, else it would make things worse.

I've banned USA HD from my media room plasma, and have been using the video pattern excessively, but unfortunately have not succeeded in clearing the logo. This on a Signature Series Pioneer Elite -141 KURO, no less.

I fired off a bitter feedback to USA network about this, but doubt anything will come of it.

KDD

How long since you banhammered usa?

One quick question, I just got Dark Knight on Blu-Ray (great movie!) and was watching it on my parents LED-LCD TV and the movie is mostly in wide screen (2.XX ratio) and not the 16:9 other than the IMAX bits. Will those top and bottom black bars cause bad IR issues, or will it cause some temp one that will go away pretty fast (hr or so). Plasma I am thinking of getting is the Panny G25 and was wondering if there is a zoom setting to zoom in to get rid of the black bars for the frist 100-200 hrs.

Btw, I cant wait to watch Dark Knight on the plasma once I get it, those knight times scenes should really blow the LCD out the water dealing with black levels.

Quick question for you guys; but this is more of a double-check.

I'm following the first step (break in) from this website:
http://s.fatwallet. com/static/attachments/18332_calibrationguide.pdf
I'm using the S2, so the breaking in can't be too far off..


I'm also using the SD card with the slides on it..


What I'm noticing is that the 'white' is more of a gray, and the 'black' is more of a dark gray on the slides..
I double checked how they look on my computer, and they don't look like what I'm seeing on the tv.

I'm assuming that the whites/blacks being off like that are because of the contrast/brightness settings being up so high?

I'm planning on ONLY watching the slides for a good 150ish hours, so having the settings pumped up shouldn't be a problem
(IIRC setting everything below 50 is when the user wants to watch regular tv/movies/games during the breakin process)


EDIT: I'm lowering the settings to do my own check.. Could probably delete this post, but it might solve someone's question sooner or later..
I'm about 95% that I'm correct in my thinking here..
Let me know if I'm way off base though

EDIT2: Changed the settings to Cinema, everything was a bit better..
Not as dark as I figured it might be though. Not quite as "deep blacks" as I keep hearing/expected
Maybe the 'Cool' setting is behind that.
Ah well, After I'm done breaking her in I'll try to get everything figured out better, calibrate it and what not.

Green/Red/Blue REALLY pop though, they look really good. Hopefully I can figure out the white/black issue.

If anyone knows why it's not as white/black as I figure it should be, let me know

it seems that eaprogramming.com is down. any other place to get the burn in dvd?

^site is up i just downloaded the slides. 120 hours of slides...damn thats a long time

Hi All,

Just wondering if you could give me a couple of quick pointers on how to run the break in slides properly.

1) Is it safe for the TV to leave the TV running for 100+ hours in a row?

2) Is it fine that the images in the slide run for 10 seconds then there's a 1 second black screen before switching to the next slide which runs for 10 seconds? (10 seconds seems to be the maximum amount of time slideshow settings can be adjusted on my c590 samsung)

3) Which picture settings do I need to adjust on the TV? I have a Samsung Plasma PN63c590 that I have set on home mode (NOT torch mode) ... I set the contrast to 50 and the brightness to 50, should I set them lower?

4) Finally, should I have the tv set to Dynamic/Standard or Movie mode?

5) I'm running the break in slides off of a USB thumb drive. Now the problem I notice is down the side of the display, it looks as there are 2 rows of vertical pixels that don't light up at all when the slides play. However when I watch regular HD material they light up. Is there an issue with the slides available from eaprogramming's site, or is there something I have to adjust in the slide show options?

Thank you very much!!

P.S. I know people say that it's not necessary to break the TV in, but I'm moving into my new place in a week so I will not be watching the TV until then, so I figure I may as well use this time to break it in just for the sake of doing it.

I asked this in a seperate thread but found no answer and I will try it here. How do I get the TV to override the "No Signal Found" message if I want to remove image retention with the snowball or snowflakes or whatever it is called?
Also, how do I get a full white screen on the TV? Do I always have to create a jpg in photoshop or does the TV have a way to display all white screen?
I have a P54G10. Thanks.

i have a lg 42pj550 and was about to use the break im images but when i put the first image onto the screen i noticed that it did not fill the entire screen there were a few pixels on the sides that were not being used. how can i make sure all of the pixels are being burnt in?

turn off the pixel orbiter

i have never used the pixel orbiter option yet. i left that optionsoff.

Regarding Phosphor trailing.

I just got a 65" VT25 panasonic plasma. This is my 1st plasma ever and know nothing about plasma in general basically.

Does phosphor trailing decrease dramtically with 100 hour break in? I only have 3 hours on this tv as of right now. The trailing is so bad it gives moving images a double image, and its hurting my eyes. Im thinking of downloading break in slide and playing straight through the 100-150 hour break in, I just cant stand phosphor lag.

I wanted to ask this question because I am wondering if I have a defective unit or not?

I am wondering if what you're seeing is actually phosphor trails. I see them on my lg from time to time, usually on the leading edge of a black suit or something like that, but never anything so extreme as to call it a double image. And the vt25 is supposed to be the best plasma ever when it comes to phosphor trails so maybe you should go check out one in a store to see if your set has some other issue.

Thanks Shaddix -

Well it seems the things are getting better with break in, but they are still there. makes panning seem like they are jittering. I can see hints of blu and red in the pans, so not sure. I have about 5 hours of evengolo's break in slides so far; lets hope the other 95 hours fix it completly.

I also have a service tech coming out this weekend. Panasonics customer service is top notch. They "said they could send out a tech in 2 days". But I had to decline and asked them about the weekend due to my job work days. By then I should have the other 95 hours on it, so I guess I will see.

I am getting what looks to be burn in on my 3 week old Sharp Aquos TV. The images are about 4-5 inches across, transparent(can see the outlines only), there are 2 of these(identical) on the lower half of the screen. They are quite faint and can only really be seen when the screen goes to a static black and or greyish. I am hoping this is only temporary image retention. I have my PS3 connected to the TV and have played it for most, 90 mins in one sitting. I use the 'game mode' when playing video games. Any ideas? Thanks.

I think that is temporary Image Retention. It should go away on its own or you could run some built in program in your TV to get rid of it. You can also download those slides everyone talks about and this should pretty much clear it up. I am not an expert on this subject but this is what I have read as a solution/answer.

I just posted an update on a separate thread about burn in, and don't think it's necessary. The owners manual for Panasonic and the Panasonic rep that I spoke to don't say that any kind of burn in is necessary for newer plasmas. I use the discwasher home theater setup disc to calibrate my settings. I do it upon initial setup and then about every 6 months to account for natural burn in. What do you guys use to calibrate your settings?

Regarding Image Retention (IR) being a thing of the past on new gen plasmas I think this is a myth.

My local BB has a 54" G25 Panasonic 3D TV and the 3D menu screen is now visable on everything you watch on it. I asked how this happened and said that unfortunately, by mistake, they left on the 3D menu from the Panasonic demo disk for 4 hours without making a selection. They said that there is an option on the Panny set to get rid of the IR and they ran the program overnight (11 hours) and it did not remove the burned in image.

Any comments would be appreciated.

well that is really worst case on that panny. It is most likely pretty new and running in torch mode which I would guess would make IR/burnin worse. I would guess that they should try running the wiper for a few of those 11 hour sessions and it might clear it up.

Hi

I bought a Panny TC-P46C2 and I'm currently breaking it in using Evangelos Angelides' break-in slideshow via SD card. My question is - what would be ideal in terms of picture settings for the quickest possible break-in? Should it be bright? Should I make the slides loop as fast as possible? Etc?

Right now, I have the picture on Cinema with the brightness and contrast set all the way up to 100. Slideshow speed is also set to "Short" (quickest slideshow). This any good?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Hey Guys,

Well I've had my television now for about 2 weeks. Been watching all full screen television (zooming in whenever a channel has any logos) and been letting the break in images run consistantly.
I'm sure I have over 200 hours logged on the set easily so far. So my questions are:

1) Is it now safe to watch stations with logos?

2) Do stations with white logos (transparent?) hurt at all?

3) What about sports with the scores shown throught the broadcast, or something like CNN or SportCenter where they have the tickers/frames on their screen.

4) Are movies ok to watch now with black bars?

5) If watching 4:3 content are grey side bars OK or should I use fit to screen?

6)I read somewhere that after the first 200 hours, there's another milestone to be concerned about (1000 or 2000 hours into the set's life) .. what exactly is this referring to?

Cheers!!

^^^
1. Yes, you are safe.
2. No, you may see some very temporary image retention but it will not be visible in normal viewing.
3. Same as number 2.
4. Yes, black bars may leave temporary IR but again, it will not be visible in normal viewing. You may see it on a blank or solid screen if you are looking for it.
5. Side bars are fine.
6. Don't know about this one.

Enjoy your TV, there's no need to be paranoid about hurting it.

Any static image that is white with a black outline/black background seems to be retained more quickly than any other image on my Samsung. Fortunately, it goes away quickly.

I noticed Crackdown 2 on the XBOX 360 has a HUD transparency slider, for people who might be interested in that game. The original Crackdown was a lot of fun and the demo for the next one is pretty much the same.