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post #2371 of 4224
9/18/10 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by RockinZ28 View Post

I'm trying to break my plasma in. I was using the DVD in my pc, but I don't trust either of my computers to be 24/7 stable to leave it running all day/night.

I now have it on the USB stick. But for the slideshow on my TV, when it transitions to the next slide, the screen goes black for a second before displaying the next image. There are other slideshow effects that do various visuals as it's changing the image, but I figure that will cause uneven wear?

Is it ok for the display to be going black every few seconds while I'm breaking it in?

I'm breaking in a 58C8000 using the webapalooza slides on a USB drive and had the same question between the fade effect or no effect. To me the fade seemed best because it would gradually cycle the pixels. I emailed the creator of the slides and he said he'd probably go that route as well. At the end of the day, I really dont think it matters and either way you'll be aging them much more evenly than just watching the TV.

It's very debatable that plasma panels need break in via specific slides, but for the minimal effort it gives me greater piece of mind.
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post #2372 of 4224
9/19/10 at 6:03am
Ok, I hope I am posting this in the right place.

I have a Panny TC-P42U2. I love the picture and I am very pleased with my purchase.

Here is the problem:

While I was careful for the first couple months of use, I think I got careless with the music feature on my PS3. It displays album art and the title at the bottom left-hand corner of the screen. I first noticed the 'IR' about a week ago. Now after watching several movies, several times, full screen, over the course of a week, it is still there. Of course I have turned down contrast and brightness to 50, except for when I am trying to wash off the IR with full screen, moving content (at which point I use VIVID).


I spent a long time trying to find some reassurance from your site, and found some. It sounds like most IR is not permanent. Most dismiss any talk of "burn-in" out of hand.

Really what i want to know is, what can I do to get rid of this image quicker?
Is it possible that this is permanent IR?


Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
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post #2373 of 4224
9/19/10 at 8:27am
The PS3 Dashboard is on the sharp side, which looks great but it does make it's bright white text become IR easily. I am alway suprised by how quickly the little circular clock gets retained by my Panny VT25.

Run the Break-in DVD overnight, or any time you aren't watching TV, under a Vivid or Dyamic mode. You should notice the retained image lessen. Give it a week or so and it should be almost gone.
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post #2374 of 4224
9/19/10 at 2:36pm
Thanks for the quick reply!

Which actually leads me to my next couple questions. I have heard of a lot of people getting vertical line IR from the break-in dvd. I made a copy, but the accounts I heard made me nervous. The one i have is the one I think most people talk about on this site, that rotates through various solid color stills.
The other thing I heard is that IR is best removed my moving video (16:9 or stretched; blu-ray or DVD)

I actually have two questions about this.

One:
Are the concerns about the break-in dvd causing IR legitimate?

Two:
Are still images effective at safely removing IR or only really for preventing it?
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post #2375 of 4224
9/19/10 at 5:57pm
When you run the Break-in DVD or slides you want to make sure that they are being displayed over the entire screen. Issues with the slides creating IR is from not doing the above, displaying the slides with black bars and not noticing.

"Snow" is another option for content to remove IR.

The slides are meant to put even wear on the panel and to put hours on the set as IR becomes less of a problem as the plasma ages.
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post #2376 of 4224
9/19/10 at 7:33pm
lol this is hilarious

People concerned about IR are now concerned about the prevention of IR causing IR.
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post #2377 of 4224
9/20/10 at 9:03am
I had asked this before but since I believe "snow" is the best IR reomoval, how do I get snow on my TV. I have a Panny 54G10 and it displays snow for 5 seconds or so and then the snow vanishes to a dark screen.
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post #2378 of 4224
9/20/10 at 9:20am
Just got my first Plasma (Samsung PN58C680) today.
Already running the break in DVD over my playstation3.

TV was delivered with Contrast set to 90 .
I reduced that to 40.
So for the break in i'm running:
Contrast
Cell Light 10
Contrast 40
Brightness 45
Sharpness 50
Color 50
Tint (G/R) G50/R50

are these settings good, or should i reduce Contrast/Brightness for break in period?

thanks for your help....

btw, the picture looks a little bit "noisy to me" (coming from 1080p DLP) but i think i can reduce that over the picture settings after break in.
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post #2379 of 4224
9/21/10 at 3:26am
I still would like to know: Are still images or moving images more effective at IR removal?

I am trying snow right now.

Thanks
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post #2380 of 4224
9/21/10 at 8:21am
The slides run under a high Contrast are just a nice alternative to the built-in "wash" which you don't want to overuse. I've never tried "snow". The slides under high Contrast works but you do have to be patient. Curious if "snow" would be quicker.
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post #2381 of 4224
9/22/10 at 7:49am
I have gone back to the breakin dvd because I didn't feel that snow was as safe. Plus my TV auto shuts off to no signal.

The horizontal (sorry I said vertical earlier, guess that was something else) line IR that I had heard about was not on account of bars, but rather a thin line in the color plane. You can look at the forum and check out the complaints.

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Originally Posted by ewokultra View Post

I have a new Panasonic TH-50PX600U. The brightness and picture (contrast) are at -20. I started to use the Breakin DVD on a SONY DVP-NS315 progressive scan player with the TV aspect at ZOOM. I have not watched anything else on the plasma yet. Ran the DVD overnight for 9 hours. On the second night of breakin, I noticed the faint horizontal line in the middle of the picture plane on some of the lighter screens. I did not notice this on the first night of breakin. I then tried the DVD in a SONY DVP-NC85H upconverting player with the TV aspect at FULL. I got the same results; The faint, darker-than-background, horizontal line in the middle of the picture plane on the lighter screens. I toggled the picture setting to VIVID (higher brightness and contrast) and the horizontal line was not noticable. None-the-less, I have stopped using the breakin DVD.

For those who have seen the screen line that I am talking about, were the TV's brightness and contrast set as low as mine? Has anyone been able to get to the bottom of this? Is this a plasma glass issue? Anyone call Panasonic about this yet?

Thanks.

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ewokultra

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...583089&page=11

He is not the only one either.


Thanks again
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post #2382 of 4224
9/22/10 at 8:15am
I would look at sections of the slides having different shades as a faulty panel. They should appear "solid" throughout the screen. If this occurs where black bars would be from 2:35:1 or 4:3 content then it is IR. The slides are meant to put even wear on the plasma, if this doesn't look to be happening then the slides are just exposing a deficiency in the panel not creating one.
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post #2383 of 4224
9/23/10 at 8:33am
Question ????

Will you hear buzzing if you have it while buring in using the Evangelo2 DVD??? Have burned in my new Sammy PN50C550 for 3 12 hour stints and panel is dead quiet.

Thinking I have a non-buzzer but haven't watched any DVD / TV yet.

Thank You
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post #2384 of 4224
9/23/10 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by Mach1Man View Post

Question ????

Will you hear buzzing if you have it while buring in using the Evangelo2 DVD??? Have burned in my new Sammy PN50C550 for 3 12 hour stints and panel is dead quiet.

Thinking I have a non-buzzer but haven't watched any DVD / TV yet.

Thank You

Yes, should be buzzing at its most buzzingness. It seems you have a non-buzzer.
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post #2385 of 4224
9/23/10 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by powertoold View Post

Yes, should be buzzing at its most buzzingness. It seems you have a non-buzzer.



I should be happy then, since I've had my TV run at times for 15 hours during my break in period, and I've heard no buzzing at all. Yes!!!!
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post #2386 of 4224
9/25/10 at 6:10am
Has anyone here had IR that took several months to go away?
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post #2387 of 4224
9/28/10 at 9:05am
I asked the previous question for a reason. Allow me to clarify:

I have had image retention for two weeks now, and I have been using various anti-IR methods, for varying lengths of time (two hours here, four hours there) and lots of full screen movies and TV. Not sure if it is fading, or if it is only my wishful thinking. I would like to know if there are people on here who have had IR for a month or more, yet eventually saw improvement and, hopefully, complete restoration of their plasma screen.

While I am truly happy for those of you who have not had IR, or have only had it for a day or two, your positive experiences with your plasmas are very little comfort to me since my situation is clearly different from yours. It would put my mind at ease if I could hear from some people who once had medium to long-range IR (a WEEK or MORE) and saw a full recovery.


Thanks again for all your help.
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post #2388 of 4224
9/28/10 at 10:27am
The worst I had was IR for about two weeks, thank you Demon's Souls soul form. But I was able to greatly reduce it by running the break-in slides at max Contrast over night. I think I would be worried about month long IR that doesn't appear to be getting better.
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post #2389 of 4224
9/28/10 at 11:27am
Thanks again for all your quick replies Dayton.

I have heard of a few people who had it for a month and it did eventually fade to ALMOST imperceptible. But I also hear a lot of people say if it isn't gone by 48 hours you're SOL.

I have not yet been willing to let it run over night. Now I am using the Pioneer IR wash vcd. Over all I imagine I have used it and the break-in dvd well over 12 hours, but not all at once.
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post #2390 of 4224
9/28/10 at 3:50pm
After owning the Panny 54G10 for over 6 months now, I think this "new plasmas don't have IR or burn in" is hog wash. I have my contrast on low and everything but no matter what, some bright colorful logos (idiotic channels) will leave some or other kind of IR or burn in. I periodically let my color slides run which tend to help but the newer plasmas behave the same as the older ones IMHO. If the difference in PQ was not all that much, I would have sold this for an LED but the PQ on my plasma is too good and I would rather take as much precaution against IR than get an LCD/LED.
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post #2391 of 4224
9/28/10 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by NickSP View Post

After owning the Panny 54G10 for over 6 months now, I think this "new plasmas don't have IR or burn in" is hog wash. I have my contrast on low and everything but no matter what, some bright colorful logos (idiotic channels) will leave some or other kind of IR or burn in. I periodically let my color slides run which tend to help but the newer plasmas behave the same as the older ones IMHO. If the difference in PQ was not all that much, I would have sold this for an LED but the PQ on my plasma is too good and I would rather take as much precaution against IR than get an LCD/LED.

I love watching ESPN's full screen replays on my set because I can still see the scoreboard!
I believe I was misled by salespersons about IR when buying my Samsung. I don't care too much for better PQ and I could have lived with poor off angle viewing from LCDs because at least I wouldnt constantly in fear of irreparable damage.
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post #2392 of 4224
9/28/10 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by nall256 View Post

I love watching ESPN's full screen replays on my set because I can still see the scoreboard!
I believe I was misled by salespersons about IR when buying my Samsung. I don't care too much for better PQ and I could have lived with poor off angle viewing from LCDs because at least I wouldnt constantly in fear of irreparable damage.

I hear you man. I just feel Plasmas are more vibrant and realistic looking than LCDs.
I have a SD card in my SD slot at all times and every night like clockwork, I run color slides. Heck at a rated 100K hours of life, I can afford it .
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post #2393 of 4224
9/29/10 at 12:18am
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Originally Posted by NickSP View Post

After owning the Panny 54G10 for over 6 months now, I think this "new plasmas don't have IR or burn in" is hog wash. I have my contrast on low and everything but no matter what, some bright colorful logos (idiotic channels) will leave some or other kind of IR or burn in. I periodically let my color slides run which tend to help but the newer plasmas behave the same as the older ones IMHO. If the difference in PQ was not all that much, I would have sold this for an LED but the PQ on my plasma is too good and I would rather take as much precaution against IR than get an LCD/LED.

I don't think any knowledgeable person would say plasmas don't get IR, what most say is that it isn't a problem. I own two Panasonic plasmas and they both get IR pretty quickly but it has absolutely NEVER been visible during normal viewing. If the screen is a solid color and/or I get two or three feet from the screen it's visible but if I just relax and watch TV I absolutely cannot see it and I don't take any special precautions to avoid it. In your case, are you seeing IR with normal viewing?

I will say that permanent burn-in is very rare these days but I have seen it in on PDPs a few times and once on an LCD.
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post #2394 of 4224
9/29/10 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by nall256 View Post

I love watching ESPN's full screen replays on my set because I can still see the scoreboard!
I believe I was misled by salespersons about IR when buying my Samsung. I don't care too much for better PQ and I could have lived with poor off angle viewing from LCDs because at least I wouldnt constantly in fear of irreparable damage.

But IR does become less of a problem as the plasma ages. This has definitely been my experience with my VT25. I notice I think about it less and less and instead just enjoy the amazing PQ. To me the biggest flaw with LCD is the inconsitency of the backlight and this never goes away. You just get flashlighing and clouding whenever a dark scene is displayed in a dimly lit room to remind you of the persistent flaw.
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post #2395 of 4224
10/1/10 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by Dayton View Post

But IR does become less of a problem as the plasma ages. This has definitely been my experience with my VT25. I notice I think about it less and less and instead just enjoy the amazing PQ. To me the biggest flaw with LCD is the inconsitency of the backlight and this never goes away. You just get flashlighing and clouding whenever a dark scene is displayed in a dimly lit room to remind you of the persistent flaw.

I hear ya, and watching most tv/movies is a superior experience compared to LCD, but I am going to have to pick up a 50"+ LCD as I have a habit of using windows media center from my pc, and if I left something playing and got called into work I imagine I will have some burn in to deal with when I get home. I wonder if it is socially acceptable to have 2 50" sets in the living room?
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post #2396 of 4224
10/8/10 at 4:44am
If anyone is curious...

It is getting pretty close to four weeks since I first noticed the IR on my Panny. It is still there.

Today I am going to try something different. I am going to use the second visualization setting for music playback on the PS3, with no song titles, for IR removal.

The irony is that it is the song titles for music playback on the ps3 that caused the IR in the first place.


This setting has lots of moving waves of color that are full screen and constantly changing with no still images. I'll be doing this with vivid set to high contrast and brightness (100 on both).

I am going to try to do this for 8 hours.
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post #2397 of 4224
10/8/10 at 2:24pm
Still have IR
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post #2398 of 4224
10/10/10 at 1:29pm
Okay so would leaving a solid white image on the screen reduce this man's burn in? If not, the best thing to do is ignore it and hope that some time in the future it will disappear.
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post #2399 of 4224
10/10/10 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by Derfmit View Post

Still have IR

Just curious, is your IR visible with normal viewing or is it just visible if you look for it on a blank or solid screen?
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post #2400 of 4224
10/14/10 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by NickSP View Post

After owning the Panny 54G10 for over 6 months now, I think this "new plasmas don't have IR or burn in" is hog wash. I have my contrast on low and everything but no matter what, some bright colorful logos (idiotic channels) will leave some or other kind of IR or burn in. I periodically let my color slides run which tend to help but the newer plasmas behave the same as the older ones IMHO. If the difference in PQ was not all that much, I would have sold this for an LED but the PQ on my plasma is too good and I would rather take as much precaution against IR than get an LCD/LED.

This really makes me not want to buy Samsung's PN50C8000. I don't want to have to babysit a TV. I really want it, though.
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