Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 91

I'm not sure what this is about. According to Consumer Reports, Panasonic has the absolute lowest failure rate of all brands of Plasma and LCD, 2% for both technologies. Most other brands fail at a rate of 3% and up.

People get a little OCD about the IR issue, it is really not a huge deal. After break-in feel free to do anything you want with your plasma. There will be a little IR but so what, it goes away quickly and is not visible with normal viewing. Watch all the movies with black bars you want, play video games to your heart's content. All I did to break in my plasmas was run at about 50% brightness and contrast for the first 50 hours. After that I threw caution to the wind. Neither my 2006 plasma nor my 2009 plasma suffered for it. Enjoy your TV.

Is it bad to play like maybe 15 minutes or so of 3D or videogames once a day (or once every other day)? Because every now and then, I just really get this urge to just see the TV at it's full potential. So, I'll play a few minutes of a 3D movie on maxed out contrast and brightness levels.

Does that do anything to the break in period?

I just saw a little IR from dishnetworks guide. My VT25 has the logo from Dish on the left upper corner. Any suggestions to remove that will be greatly appreciated. It is going away. But not everything is gone. I did follow the break in with the different colors for maybe 50 hours. Should I just lower contrast and brightness to 50 and watch for another 50 hours? Thanks

Just use it with a little caution early on. Plasma is nowhere near as fragile as some would lead you to believe. Play games if you want and just make sure to run other full-screen content with no static images while you aren't playing. If you get some image retention that's hard to get rid of, just put on a bright cartoon or CGI(Pixar) movie and set the picture mode to Vivid or whatever your set uses while playing the movie. Make sure the movie/cartoon doesn't have any logos (like Cartoon Network).
Play games and watch movies...it's what they're made for.

I find my c2 has more prominent greens the more i run my slides and i cannot seem to get rid of it while using my regular hd, i hope its not damaging anything or is this part of the aging process???

its starting to really annoy me

Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Just got a 550 myself, and wanted to start the break-in slides, but there are two rows of pixels on the perimeter that get left out, and no option seems to change that. Seems kinda weird.

Need advise for my 3 month old Samsung PN63C8000. I was watching a TV show this evening when I noticed a constant shadow at the top of the screen. Closer inspection revealed that it was the MSNBC banner. My wife and I watch MSNBC quite a bit, and it appears that the MSNBC banner has burned into the top, maybe its IR, I don't know. I had noticed that several of the evening programs on MSNBC use the same banner with a brilliant white background, but I didn't think it would be a problem for the set. Is it too late to run that burn-in DVD that is posted at the top of this thread?

Great.

So today I came home and turned on my TV. A notice popped up on screen that the auto shut-off was activated because of no signal. So somehow, the TV was turned on during the day. Talk about p*ssed off... Well regardless, this should be a 15 minute deal...

So first thing's first... I notice that the picture quality was diminished but assumed that was just me being paranoid. But then hours later (after watching a bunch of different HD shows), I ran the scrolling bar. I really notice a difference behind the white... it's like a faint shadow of black in the background. Hard to explain but definitely noticable...

So a couple of things that really tick me off. There should be options to create auto shut off at 5 minutes no signal and 30 minutes no interaction with the controller (15 min/3 hrs is way too long). That's bs that there isn't any other options. Also, it doesn't make since that a black screen can cause burn in... The pixels are inactivated... How could they possibly remember a color that they aren't even expressing?

So from now on, I'm going to have to cut the power supply when I'm not home. I have no idea what happened to turn this TV on, but I'm definitely not happy about it.

No. It's not too late. Hopefully you have only IR. I am really sorry for your difficulties and I find myself even more disturbed by people in this forum who continue to maintain that IR and burn in are no longer issues with the new plasmas. Once you get rid of IR, you may want to set up your TV using the 16:9 screen size instead of screen fill which disables the wobble technology. You might also consider picking up a copy of Pixelprotector. Good luck.

Well, I never did find the cause of this issue, but I did find a way around it. I downloaded a free slideshow program that took the 120 slides and used them to form a video that the media player can loop. I set the slides to transition every 15 seconds, and the program spit out a 30 minute AVI file that completely fills the screen. The transitions in the video also keep the screen from going to black after every slide. Very happy that I can do the break-in without running a DVD player for hours on end.

Thanks for the response and helpful comment. I currently am running the CD referenced and provided in the first message of this thread. After about four or five hours, I noticed a very small improvement on one of the colors (red) in the slide, but it is still prominent in the white and green slides; I will continue to run the images all day, I guess. I will look into Pixelprotector, too.

Yes, the ease in which my TV has developed this shadow is quite distressing. We may have to limit use of this TV to movies and those TV shows that don't show banners or the corner images.

My new Panasonic developed bad IR from the Cartoon Network logo (non transparent black & white) after watching it for less than an hour. It has been 4 days but I can still see the "CN" on white & green slides as well. Thankfully it seems to have have improved. It sounds like IR is worse on 3D plasmas as they typically use a different phosphor. Here is a quote on a review of my plasma:

"The new phosphor gave us some minor image retention. We concluded, based on the VT25/VT20 review, that Panasonic's new phosphor on the 3D models has more retention and this was supported by our recent Samsung C8000 review."

Do you plan to make that AVI file available to the public? Please would you?

Pretty please Brisco?

I honestly wouldn't even know how to go about hosting it. It was super easy to make, though - I simply downloaded the first thing that popped up on a Goggle search (in my case, "Photostage Slideshow Producer"). I then loaded the set of 120 JPEGs listed earlier in the thread, set the default transition time to 15 seconds, and that was it. The program spit out the video file (default was AVI, but there were a bunch of other options), which I then copied to a USB drive. 120 slides, at 15 seconds each, resulted in a 30 minute video file that the TV's media player can simply loop over and over. The whole endeavor took less than five minutes, and I'm someone who probably wouldn't be considered very computer savvy by today's standards.

I'm new to the plasma world and wondering if you guys can help me I recently bought a samsung pn50c8000 plasma and put the slides (120v) on my USB but before starting the slides what Picture setting should I use I was thinking standard and keeping my brightness and contrast on 45 and put the color tone to cool also is running the slides at normal speed is ok

I say to run the slides under your normal viewing settings. However, running the slides under a Vivid mode is a nice way to speed up the removal of a retained image.

AFTER 2718 posts OF THAT i read....... i was suppose to buy

plasma........i think i will change idea:

1.:300 -400 hours break in(burn in?) (slide , special video etc etc)

2.:always have to do this and that after gaming or watching (wash out and so on , etc etc)

16:9 (amargophic) or 4:3 content.

3.:and after all these posts there all some that have permanent burn ot take a week to take off IR.

hey it is TV...........always check this and that.

and is it possible after all these post that 94% in Panasonic? the most that have problem?

btw it is not my first post :i have to register again.......

thanks

I have a PG550 (50") I got 9 months ago. I went through all the "anti-burn-in" procedures: making a burn-in disc and cycling through all the colors for about a hundred hours, not watching 4:3 stuff for the first month or so, not leaving menus up, etc.

Recently, I've noticed a definite burn-in sidebar on the right side of the display, probably from my daughter watching 4:3 cartoons. (Unfortunately, those are actually broadcast as 16:9 but with black sidebars, so enabling gray sidebars on my Tivo doesn't help.) The weirdest thing is that it is only on the right side of the display. Although you can tell there is some brightening on the left, it's not nearly as distinct (and annoying) as on the right, where you could use it as a straight-edge.

First, I thought modern plasmas had overcome this kind of problem, with proper burn-in. No?

Second, why only on the right?

Third (most important), is there anything I can do about it? None of the washes have any effect.

Thanks.

I was using the built-in music visualizer on the Xbox 360 to help with the break in process but noticed that it isn't actually full screen. The very top is missing about 3 or 4 rows of pixels. Be sure not to use it, guys.

Update: I've been running the slides on my Samsung 8000 for a bit over 5 days now. The ghost image remains very prominent on the green slide and a little less clear on the white slide - the slides *may* have helped a little, I'm not sure. If the ghost image is still present after day 5, I might resort to switching the display mode to vivid (or its equivalent in the Samsung).

ummm, you recommend 100 of basic burn in, then 900 more hours are careful views! Yikes!

How in the world do I measure 1000 hours?

Thanks,

Allan

the menu has the hours, IIRC...

My service menu on my c8000 said I have 77 hrs display time but I know I have at least 110 what gives please help

Plasma will still have burn in and IR. Here are some myths:

- Nwere plasmas do not have these issues
- PLaying DVDs or other methods for countless hours help to reduce it

Plasmas today has as much IR and burn in issues as plasmas before them. I love the plasma picture to the point I have become paranoid. LOL. I run my picture slides every day before I go to sleep.

Cartoon Network is the biggest culprit of them all. I had a CN logo from my son watching it for an hour or less every other day. The problem I figured was he was watching it through a DVR and was switching commercials. If you let commercials play, they will ease this somewhat.

I ran my color slides for a whole 12 hours, followed by snow and it did get rid of the CN logo.

How about all of us Plasma owners form a petition and send it to these idiotic TV channels to at least move their logos every couple of seconds from the right to the left corner or something? Or move their banners from top to bottom or have translusent logos like TNT or HGTV?

i agree .......whe buy HDTV for viewing.......not working for..............................

I left an options menu on Halo Reach on my display for 12 hours (long story). Most of it is in white..

I changed inputs to a source that isn't hooked up. Yeah it was quite there.

I put on National Geographic for about 2 minutes..checked again...gone.

Don't care what the pundits and naysayers wanna gripe about, actions speak louder than words.

Oh and mind you, this set has under 200 hours on it.

This is why I don't buy or recommend plasma. I have made only a handful of posts but they get ripped to shreds on here and I end up being called a liar. Burn in and IR STILL is a problem with plasmas for people with certain viewing habits. 900 hours of break in? What a joke. I love the PQ of a good plasma but they are just too much work. Like others have said, a tv is for enjoyment, not for more work.