Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 92

That's great for you. You should consider yourself lucky that you have a plasma that you can abuse like that without getting into trouble. That is not normal.

Obviously, I believe you concerning burn-in. We have had to buy an LED for the living room and are moving the 3-month old Plasma to a different room, so that we can continue to watch our preferred news channels in the living room without concern for the burn-in of the banners and logos.

The thing about these banners and logos is that they are frequently a bright white - the MSNBC banner (used for their evening lineup) is bright white with black letters - I imagine that is an awful combination to have for a plasma screen. I took a look at that Cartoon Network logo on the bottom right and it, too, is bright white. Sheesh!

Which begs the question. Why can't the friggin networks move their logos every minute to a different corner?

If Plasma was as dominant as LCD then the networks may reconsider the diplaying of their logos. But since the opposite is true I'm sure logos don't register as an issue for them. From my normal viewing habits only the EncoreHD logo has gotten me, I avoid the channel now.

I feel like I have to post in this thread every few months to improve the signal to noise ratio.

I've had my Panasonic plasma for 3 years now. It's main two activities are watching sports and playing Xbox. Score tickers, the ESPN logo, in-game HUDs, etc are on this thing all the time. The rest of the time is watching shows, mostly in HD, and the occasional letterboxed movie.

The TV's screen uniformity remains perfect, ie no burn in. I do occasionally have some image retention, typically of the ESPN logo when all I've done over the course of a few weeks is watch college basketball games, but it always goes away. And this TV doesn't have pixel orbiting or a screen wiping feature.

The TV requires no "work". I used a reduced contrast setting for the first two weeks but certainly didn't run slides or count hours. If I had let this burn in or "work" talk scare me away 3 years ago I'd be sitting with a crummy 40" LCD instead of a nice 50" plasma.

Take it for what it's worth.

jeff

You're right. Let me enter the fray after rifling through pages and pages of fright night posts. Phosphorous based displays are subject ot IR or burn in if abused. But all this talk about 100-900 hours of break-in and ths fear mongering needs to go.

Wondering if anyone has an updated link to any break-in slides? The ones on the first page all seem dead, and I'm not interested in a break-in DVD, just the 100-150 slides that I can throw on a USB stick and run a few times a week. I hear alot of good things about the ones from www.webapalooza.com but when I go to the site, I get an index and forbidden permissions.

Thanks in advance

Well, I just followed the trail of links and the images are still there. Here is the ultimate link:

http://www.eaprogramming.com/

The slides are on the LHS, about 20 lines down, under "New - Plasma Breakin DVD Images" . Click on "zip download".

Edit: Sorry, I left off a step. Go to the link I posted, above, then click on the box on the RHS where it says: "Free Download Available in 3 formats", then locate the download on the LHS, about 20 lines down, as I described above.

So just got my Samsung PN50C680, first plasma I have owned (previously had LCD RPTV). Did some research on the break-in procedure, but I came across a quote which said the newer Samsung sets do not need to be "broken in". Any advice from anyone on this? Just don't want to mess it up!

Second, when breaking in, what should the settings be and how long should I leave it on for breaking in per day? If there are any other owners of this model reading this, how many hours did you break yours in for?

Any help/answers would be greatly appreciated

Just calibrate your set and watch it. Try to stay away from extended stationary displays such as opaque logos and video game backgrounds, especially during the first few months. You don't need no stinking break-in slides nor do you need to reduce brightness and contrast to unwatchable levels. Calibrate and enjoy. If you pay attention to threads like these you will become paranoid.

ok i unziped the slides. and i saw that the frist slide is white then it goes to darker colors
now when i send these to a thumb stick sometimes they are not in order so can the slide
start with any color?? does it have to be white? sorry for this dumb question

Just thought I share my scary experience (thanks to the internet) of owning my very first plasma (the Sammy PN58C8000). On 2/3/11, I posted on here (post #2695) my concerns about the set I just purchased and how paranoid this thread and the internet has made me about my decision of going with Plasma. I've always been your average-LCD-preferred-type-Joe, but I was blown away at the natural PQ and superior-off-axis viewing angle of this set that I ultimately purchased it over the LED UN55C8000 (I could have gotten the LED at $100 less and same 3D bundle). I have a huge living room and always have friends over; and since they all can't sit in my sectional during game night, the set's off-angle viewing compensates for that. Anyway, case in point, after going over 2,000+ posts in this thread and doing tons of research online, I decided to do the break-in just for my own piece of mind. I ran the slides I found in this thread (120 HD slides at 1080 lines) for about 3 weeks (250 hours) and watched some sports (Superbowl and Lakers nights) and movies in between at high settings (over 95 contrast ratio). I now have 260 hours. Last night, my daughter and I finally decided to watch the 3D kit this set came with. We watched Shrek 3 and 4 in 3D mode running at 16:9 with horizontal black bars the whole time. After we were done, I switched the set to Showtime and did not notice any Image Retention that others have claimed they've gotten after only watching an hour with black bars. To me, I think the advice of being careful for the first 150-250 hours really does help. And also, at my previous post, I mentioned about the buzzing or humming. I only hear it when I actually try hard to listen to it by going behind the TV set itself; otherwise, when I'm in front of it, NADA. I think I only noticed it because I read it online, I would have never paid attention to it otherwise. But overall, I am a very pleased and happy Plasma owner.

"To me, I think the advice of being careful for the first 150-250 hours really does help." Ranicete79
OK. Now tell us on what facts you base this conclusion since you obviously assume it is related to your break-in procedure.

Hi Peter,

"To me, I think"

That phrase alone states the obvious; an opinion, not facts. Nevertheless, I will answer your question indirectly. I can sleep better knowing that I did the break-in and aged the phospors evenly as many in here recommended doing.

The point is to put some hours on the plasma and if you can do so with absolutely safe content, can it be viewed as anything but a "help"? I think it is ridiculous to avoid enjoying your TV until the slides have been run for 100 hours first. But if one is looking to put some hours on a new plasma during what would ordinarily be veiwing down-time, running the slides is a nice way to accomplish this.

As long as new plasma owners are aware that IR occurs more easily and stays around longer on a new plasma, then they can decide on the appropriate viewing practices for them. This I suppose is what I consider "break-in".

Thanks for the response Peter (and thanks to the others in this thread too). Much appreciated

Dayton, I agree that it is ridiculous to avoid the enjoyment of one's TV especially after splurging a pretty huge amount of $ on it. Anyway, I did just what you stated. And that is, during the first 250 hours or 3 weeks, I watched mixed contents (superbowl, movies, etc...) and was very cautious about black bars and 4:3 broadcasts. At night before going to bed, I would run the slides all night.

Hello, I purchased my first plasma TV recently. My first HDTV in fact. I read up about the whole "Break In Period" and I let my TV run the slides at appropriate settings for a full 100 hours before I started to use the TV. I am now using the TV regularly at a moderate brightness, however I was immediately experiencing Image Retention despite all the pre-cautions. The TV is now about 140 hours into it's life and the issue persists. I'm aware that even after the Break In Period the TV is going to be susceptible to Image Retention, however I'm unsure if what I'm experiencing is normal. Leaving a television station logo, or a HUD of a video game in one spot for not even a mere five minutes always leaves some Image Retention behind that can take several minutes to fully wash away.

Now I don't know if I'm being paranoid about it but I'm starting to feel that this TV may be overly sensitive to Image Retention. So I'm here now to ask the experts what they think. Is this situation with the TV normal, or does it sound as if this TV is too sensitive?

140 hours is still new, so what you are experiencing is normal. However some plasmas are more susceptible to IR than others, which plasma do you have?

I have a Samsung PN50C550. Beautiful picture on it, so I hope the Image Intention dies down soon so I can stop being afraid to use it.

Got my Panasonic TC-P42G25 and I'm extremely happy with the picture quality. Two days later, my Denon 2310CI receiver arrived and while I was doing the set up, the bright white Denon OSD appeared on my screen (off and on) for some periods of time. I did not realize it until last night as I was switching to DVD mode (blank input screen) and noticed a slight faint letter 'O', and as I moved my eyes around but couldn't figure out what it was, then I decided to move my head around and was able to read out 'DENON' -- appearing in a shade darker than the dark blank screen. It immediately daunted on me that a few nights before, I was setting up 'Audyssey' which required a good 20+ minutes. So this thing could be there for some time.

I did the Scroll Bar, ran B/W (snow) noise from an un-tuned channel, and also ran the break-in DVD. I did all these variations for more than 24 hours now and the logo is till there. Although you can't really see it if you don't know of it, but it IS noticeable from running the DVD slides; especially on the White, Gray and Lavender colors. I hate to believe that this is a 'burn-in'. This does not hinder while I'm watching regular TV or DVD movies though.

The TV is only 15 days old. Besides the costly calibration, what other alternatives do I have as to get rid of it? The DVD is still running as we speak.

Thanks!

Turn up brightness and contrast to 90% and keep running the snow pattern.

Thanks, just did that now, we'll see how it goes.

^^Doesn't seem to go away, had the TV on for more than 48 hours straight with DVD looping, B/W noise, watched a DVD (Disney's UP) and had B/W noise with Brightness and Contrast up but no go. I'm afraid it's a permanent burn in. This really sucks balls big time and I'm really hating my Denon receiver for displaying its bright white logo name while setting up the thing.

Welcome to the paranoia of owning a plasma. LOL. Anyway, have you tried the built in white wash? I don't think BW snow helps much but I had a similar issue with Cartoon Network logo which did not seem to go away.
I ran the photo viewer with the colored slides for almost 14 hours and it went away.
I believe the trick is to watch with lower contrast and sharpness level. That has somehow helped me.
(You had 48 hours between your posts to all that?)

Honestly, if you can only see it on a blank screen, what's the big deal? I just can't, for the life of me, understand why people freak out over a little IR when they can't even see it during normal viewing. Relax and enjoy your TV.

Yes,even i used to think so,these channel guys are bent upon destroying the plasma tv's of their viewers.thereby creating fear amoung plasma tv buyers.
At least the HD channels could try to fade in fade out their logos from solid to transparent.Or make it spin gently once in every 15 to 20 secs.
But i have decided not to see much of cable tv using my plasma tv.instead use to watch BD movies in 1080p.

I noticed this over 48 hours ago and have been tackling the issue since. Yes, I've tried the Scroll Bar twice, plus playing the multi-colored DVD loop, also ran the Snowy Noise and watched 'Up' twice. It didn't really work but I think I should tone down the picture a bit like you've mentioned and just enjoy the TV, and (hopefully) let it disappear in time. My initial settings were pretty low -- using THX mode (57 Contrast/56 Brightness) and nothing has changed.



You're right, but I can spot it like a watermark from the movie 'UP' -- on the scene when they got to Paradise Falls where the skies had multiple-colored shades (much like the DVD loop); but only IF I look for it otherwise the chances of seeing it is slim to almost none. It's kind of like a 1% chance to even seeing it if one doesn't know, and yes I know I'm being anal about it! I guess from a psychological standpoint, when you know it's there you tend to look for it to make sure that it doesn't start to spread like cancer. Maybe I am freaking out a bit.



Channel logos are okay, I get them but as soon as I started watching something else they go away, but the one I have now is from my receiver. When I bring up the OSD menu, a big brand name logo is splashed dimly across the black screen, and another brightly lit smaller name logo on the upper middle-right screen; that was the one that got retained. I think I got it while I was setting up Audyssey for my 5.1 speakers which took over 30 minutes to complete. I bought the TV, Receiver and Speakers at the same time but shipped separately.

Geezus man, where is your sense of empathy? This poster has a new TV that may have burn-in that will probably not be covered by warranty. There is nothing remotely humorous about his plight. You're also plain wrong about the general effectiveness of a snow wash.

The "big deal" is that he sees it and it bothers him. Geezus, did you folks wake up on idiot side of the bed or what?