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post #2941 of 4398
4/18/11 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by NickSP View Post

Not that I want you to have IR ot BI (burn-in) but the real way to see IR or BI is to turn off ALL the lights in the room and then turn your TV on without any input being fed OR,
simply turn your TV off and although you turn your TV off, the phospors will still be active and show you all the BI or IR.
Now if these two tests above don't show you any of those then you are truly in plasma heaven (LOL).
Also, if you don't see any BI or IR while watching TV then you are also at the same place.

Done and done. I ALWAYS play video games in the dark and and though I didn't realize it was a valid test, I switched inputs over to a blank HDMI input (I use HDMI passthroughs) and it showed no IR at all.

Now that I know that was a valid test, I feel a million times better than I did yesterday. Wooohoo! Panasonic rocks!
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post #2942 of 4398
4/18/11 at 12:15pm
I bought a PN507000 over the weekend, and have followed the burn-in slide guidelines.

I have luxury right now all my old sets are doing well and don't need to be replaced, as this tv is for my new house. I have left it on overnight on the slides, Approaching 50 hours of just the slides on the recommended settings. I am planning to do this for 100 hours after that hook up my PS3 and HDTV source to it.

After doing the break in for a 100 what should I watch out for just the letter box dvd's and std. def television shows?
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post #2943 of 4398
4/18/11 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by chemical360 View Post

done and done. I always play video games in the dark and and though i didn't realize it was a valid test, i switched inputs over to a blank hdmi input (i use hdmi passthroughs) and it showed no ir at all.

now that i know that was a valid test, i feel a million times better than i did yesterday. Wooohoo! Panasonic rocks!

niiice! :d
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post #2944 of 4398
4/18/11 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by NickSP View Post

niiice! :d

+1. I'm always glad to hear when someone is happy!!!
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post #2945 of 4398
4/19/11 at 6:26am
And now, the final IR test as been complete. I watched Quantum of Solice last night with the wife. Black bars and all. Brought up several bright off color images post movie, blank inputs as well, nothing.

This TV impresses me more and more each day. The chewing my fingers off can stop now.

Now if Panny would just lower their prices on the Avatar 3D kit, we would be golden.
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post #2946 of 4398
4/19/11 at 8:01am
LG 50PZ550

had SD nba playoffs on last night for about 20 minutes. Turned the tv off.
Turned it on this monring and I could still see the score box outline in the right hand corner. It went away after some full screen HD local news. But yikes, I really can't watch more than 10 minutes of sports without worrying about burn in? Plasmas are advertised as being great for sports!!
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post #2947 of 4398
4/19/11 at 8:10am
Image retention and burn in are not the same thing. Search for xrox's posts about the actual mechanisms behind them.

Likewise, being able to see residual images on black or no-input screens is not IR or burn in. It is a different phenomenon that has been discussed at length.

Plasmas are great for sports. I'd say 1/3 of my 3+ year old set's time has been watching sports. Another 1/3 playing Xbox 360 games, and the rest on other tv shows and movies. Occasional image retention, no burn in.

jeff
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post #2948 of 4398
4/19/11 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by Electricide View Post

LG 50PZ550

had SD nba playoffs on last night for about 20 minutes. Turned the tv off.
Turned it on this monring and I could still see the score box outline in the right hand corner. It went away after some full screen HD local news. But yikes, I really can't watch more than 10 minutes of sports without worrying about burn in? Plasmas are advertised as being great for sports!!

Well from all my research (my Panny is my first plasma), it seems some are more prone to it than others.

Also take into account that Panny's have Pixel Orbiter which slightly shift the picture every so often to prevent IR. Seems to work for me and you may want to check your TV's documentation to see if LG has a similar anti-IR mechanism.

Aside from that, there have been people that say some models will suffer IR more than others even of the same model type. That means that if you return yours and get a the identical model you have now, it may not suffer from any IR.

Again, I am not expert, but after speaking to experts throughout this forum and reading and researching, this is what I have gathered thus far.

And I have watched Sox game after Sox game and nothing. My son watches Sprout with their bright ass logo in the bottom right and no IR. It is certainly and odd phenomenon.
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post #2949 of 4398
4/19/11 at 9:27am
yeah, I know it's not burn in. and only occassionally will a shadow image be visable underneath content.

I have "orbiter" on, I'm not sure the manual says what makes it different than the "auto" setting but I'm gonna check.

The sports themselves look real good though.
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post #2950 of 4398
4/19/11 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by chemical360 View Post

And now, the final IR test as been complete. I watched Quantum of Solice last night with the wife. Black bars and all. Brought up several bright off color images post movie, blank inputs as well, nothing.

This TV impresses me more and more each day. The chewing my fingers off can stop now.

Now if Panny would just lower their prices on the Avatar 3D kit, we would be golden.

You should be fine, no need to chew off your fingers, chew on some popcorn instead. 'Quantum of Solace' is probably one of the best flicks to take your plasma out for a test drive because of its endless actions and fast scenes, it amazes me every time I popped the disc in the DVD player (nope, no Blu-Ray yet for me).
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post #2951 of 4398
4/19/11 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by 80sGuy View Post

You should be fine, no need to chew off your fingers, chew on some popcorn instead. 'Quantum of Solace' is probably one of the best flicks to take your plasma out for a test drive because of its endless actions and fast scenes, it amazes me every time I popped the disc in the DVD player (nope, no Blu-Ray yet for me).

Yeah, I actually watched it on Comcast On Demand which we all know is not the best HD source. But I have to say, it was beautiful

On my old LCD, whenever there were fast moving scenes, alot of action and bright images, the picture would get all pixelated. The ST30 handled this VERY well.
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post #2952 of 4398
4/20/11 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by Electricide View Post

LG 50PZ550

had SD nba playoffs on last night for about 20 minutes. Turned the tv off.
Turned it on this monring and I could still see the score box outline in the right hand corner. It went away after some full screen HD local news. But yikes, I really can't watch more than 10 minutes of sports without worrying about burn in? Plasmas are advertised as being great for sports!!

LG TVs are the worst when it comes to IR. I can go on the netflix streaming menu and leave it less than a min. IR of the red top bar would be stuck on letter boxed movies till a regular programing is viewed. I just don't care anymore. If it ends up getting a burn in, i'll just get an LCD
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post #2953 of 4398
4/20/11 at 12:34pm
How old is your LG?
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post #2954 of 4398
4/20/11 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

LG TVs are the worst when it comes to IR. I can go on the netflix streaming menu and leave it less than a min. IR of the red top bar would be stuck on letter boxed movies till a regular programing is viewed. I just don't care anymore. If it ends up getting a burn in, i'll just get an LCD

As long is goes away it is fine. IR exists on ALL plasmas. Some may retain it longer than others.
You say "If it gets a burn in....." This means that you still don't have burn in. I don't see why or what you are complaining for.
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post #2955 of 4398
4/20/11 at 6:56pm
I'm surprised to see Burn-In is still an issue.

I picked up a Samsung PN64D8000FF @ Best Buy a couple weeks ago. It was the floor model because it was the only one left in stock. It's a brand new set, so it couldn't have been on the show floor for more than a week or 2.

I'll be damned if "JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE" wasn't burned into the screen. I tried for 2 weeks to get that removed, hoping it was just IR. Naw, it was burned in. Very disappointing to see that level of susceptibility in 2011. Perhaps it's just the nature of the technology, but it's nonetheless disconcerting.

I took the TV back and haven't decided if I'm going to replace it with the same unit or another plasma yet or if I'm going to err on the side of safety and go LCD. sigh.
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post #2956 of 4398
4/21/11 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by NickSP View Post

As long is goes away it is fine. IR exists on ALL plasmas. Some may retain it longer than others.
You say "If it gets a burn in....." This means that you still don't have burn in. I don't see why or what you are complaining for.

because I still see IR. Kinda unacceptable for a new tv this day and age. Mines a pk950 with 1300hours.
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post #2957 of 4398
4/21/11 at 1:33pm
^^No, new TVs are sensitive to IR (and Burn-ins) because the phosphors are at their most sensitive stage. That's why you need to be careful of what you watch or how you watch for the first few hundred hours. It should be fine after that. But again, I read that LGs and Samsungs are most sensitive to Image-Retentions.
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post #2958 of 4398
4/22/11 at 6:57am
Hey all,

I picked up a panasonic VT25 after researching it...well, here mostly. I read all the threads I could stand on burn in prevention. I was VERY careful to limit my gaming time (where there were static HUDs) to an hour or so during the first 100 hours, and had 0 "black bars" on the screen from TVs or movies for the first 100 hours. I've had the TV now for 4 months (purchased in Dec 2010) and I'm well passed the 100 hour mark, so I decided to play an extended play of Dragon Age.

The next day, I noticed a slightly darker "ring" where the minimap was in the upper right of my screen. The weird thing is that I cant see it at all when the screen is black or when there are a "mix" of colors there. However, when there is 1 uniform color (or a slight gradient), I can see it plain as day.

Does anyone have any advice? Is there something I can do to get rid of it? Will it go away on its own or am I screwed?

Thanks everyone for your help!

*edit* I just noticed that the image doesn't really do the problem justice. It is much easier to see in person... Also, the image has been there now for several days, maybe a week. I haven't played dragon age since I noticed it for fear of it getting worse.
LL
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post #2959 of 4398
4/22/11 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by klescews View Post

Hey all,

I picked up a panasonic VT25 after researching it...well, here mostly. I read all the threads I could stand on burn in prevention. I was VERY careful to limit my gaming time (where there were static HUDs) to an hour or so during the first 100 hours, and had 0 "black bars" on the screen from TVs or movies for the first 100 hours. I've had the TV now for 4 months (purchased in Dec 2010) and I'm well passed the 100 hour mark, so I decided to play an extended play of Dragon Age.

The next day, I noticed a slightly darker "ring" where the minimap was in the upper right of my screen. The weird thing is that I cant see it at all when the screen is black or when there are a "mix" of colors there. However, when there is 1 uniform color (or a slight gradient), I can see it plain as day.

Does anyone have any advice? Is there something I can do to get rid of it? Will it go away on its own or am I screwed?

Thanks everyone for your help!

*edit* I just noticed that the image doesn't really do the problem justice. It is much easier to see in person... Also, the image has been there now for several days, maybe a week. I haven't played dragon age since I noticed it for fear of it getting worse.

Watch TV in full screen mode for a few hours and it will go away.
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post #2960 of 4398
4/22/11 at 9:35am
Thanks for the reply! I've been playing games for the last week or so but I haven't seen it go away. I'll keep an eye on it.

Thanks again for your reply!
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post #2961 of 4398
4/22/11 at 1:51pm
I'm thinking of getting the panasonic 65 GT 30 in a couple of months. It will be my first plasma tv. I have to admit I haven't read this thread thorougly, but using common sense, I would think that a good way to break in a new plasma is just to go into the menu and set the tv so that the picture is not too bright or vivid and maybe even a little dim, and just watch full screen tv and full screen DVDs for the first hundred hours. Then after break in, go into the menu and set the tv picture to your liking, set it to use the stretch mode for 4:3 programs, and set the tv to always use the pixel orbitor (if that's what its called) constantly. Yes or no ?? Thanks.
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post #2962 of 4398
4/23/11 at 5:36pm
I read in another thread that having the screen display white was a good method to break-in a plasma. It would be easy as it is built in to my TV

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Usually it takes at least about 100-150 hours of use before you get the best picture quality from a plasma display, nevermind the brand. For that reason, it is always good to arrange a serious calibration (and/or test) when the display has 200 hours or more.

The best way I suggest you for doing the initial break-in, for those who are interested in that, is to use a 100 IRE pattern (full white), and run it on the display for about 2 hours for session. Then turn off the TV and leaving it off for 1 hour or more, so that the electronics and the panel get perfectly cool, and then repeat the session, and so on. Contrast should be set around 70%, and power saving function to low (or to off if the "low" option is not available). You can also use the internal timer from the OSD to turn off the TV (I don't know how it works on these new models). About 100 hours of break-in by using that system, and you will be OK

The interesting thing on the LGs plasma, on the previous 2008 and 2009 series, and I guess it is the same for these new models, is that you have that 100 IRE (full white) pattern available from the OSD. On the E.U. 2008 models its name was "refreshPDP". They offer it to clean the display in case of bad IR, but it is also perfect for the break-in

BTW, there should be also the "Orbiter" (I don't know the exact name on these new U.S. models) function available from the same OSD setup (if you don't find it on that setup, search for it in the PDF manual). It helps to reduce image retention (IR), and it is always a very good thing to use it during gaming.
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post #2963 of 4398
4/23/11 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by ajreynol View Post
I'm surprised to see Burn-In is still an issue.

I picked up a Samsung PN64D8000FF @ Best Buy a couple weeks ago. It was the floor model because it was the only one left in stock. It's a brand new set, so it couldn't have been on the show floor for more than a week or 2.

I'll be damned if "JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE" wasn't burned into the screen. I tried for 2 weeks to get that removed, hoping it was just IR. Naw, it was burned in. Very disappointing to see that level of susceptibility in 2011. Perhaps it's just the nature of the technology, but it's nonetheless disconcerting.

I took the TV back and haven't decided if I'm going to replace it with the same unit or another plasma yet or if I'm going to err on the side of safety and go LCD. sigh.

GO LCD OR DEL (LED): you wont have paranoia , you will do what you want , without be not sure if it will get burn in for 2 weeks or always.

plus break in ,ansd so on, never end.

pic is ok lasma

the tread start in 2008 and it 's running in 2011.

I almost buy a plasma....and did see this tread....change to LCD.

some lcd have black like plasma.

you'r lucky :you can return!!!!!!!!!!

anyhow put it back in the box go to the store ........!@#$%?&*(

in my town no BB or Future...

if i had purchase a plasma i would be stuck with.

sellers from 3-4 stores told me that: if you have

burn in , whe dont change it for another HDTV.

i do respect those that have no problem and like their plasma
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post #2964 of 4398
4/24/11 at 5:22pm
I just want to double check, is it safe to run the break-in DVD for a few hours and stop it before it completes a full 24 hour cycle? I ask because a user mentioned somewhere the disk getting stuck on a green screen for several hours an unevenly aging the green phospers over the blue and red ones...So I'm not worried about my disk getting stuck, but is a full 24 hour cycle needed to make sure all the phospers are aged at the same rate they were intended to by the disk?

I did read the first ~10 pages of the thread and did a search of the thread, but no I haven't read all 99 pages
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post #2965 of 4398
4/24/11 at 11:26pm
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Originally Posted by EvanVanVan View Post

I just want to double check, is it safe to run the break-in DVD for a few hours and stop it before it completes a full 24 hour cycle? I ask because a user mentioned somewhere the disk getting stuck on a green screen for several hours an unevenly aging the green phospers over the blue and red ones...So I'm not worried about my disk getting stuck, but is a full 24 hour cycle needed to make sure all the phospers are aged at the same rate they were intended to by the disk?

I did read the first ~10 pages of the thread and did a search of the thread, but no I haven't read all 99 pages

Hi,

In my opinion all new plasma's are ready to use,So i would not recommend you break in slides,and never leave any electronic gadgets unattended ! So if you have a BD player and few BD movies try to play them when you are around it.I have a panasonic plasma 50 inches V series asian edition.I started using break in slides as they have all suggested.And at the end of day One,i could see mild patches of dim red & greenish yellow here & there.And from the following day i stopped using slides and started watching movies.Now those stains have all disappeared.So it would be safe to watch Hi def movies in zoom 1 mode with contrast around 50,brightness & colour to your preference.And colour temperature at normal or cool.

And also don't push your display panel to work 24x7.Let the panel age gently & gradually by regular use.

Let us all keep one thing in mind is that even if your put in 100 to 200 hrs of break in slides,the plasma panel is still susceptible to IR & burn-in from static images.So there is no point in wasting your time & electricity to age the panel.And also reaching half life of the panel much sooner.In the name of aging one should not age the life of the panel by keeping the unit on for a week or so.

So what iam suggesting here is use the tv with Hi def content that which fills the screen fully(no black bars) this is sufficient.You can even watch HD DTH broadcast,provided it does not have shares or news stickers running on it.And also can watch channels where they keep constantly giving breaks for adds,during which there must be no channel logos...
Since i have started watching channels in this way and i have no I.R.

Love,
kris.
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post #2966 of 4398
4/25/11 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by franky932 View Post


GO LCD OR DEL (LED): you wont have paranoia , you will do what you want , without be not sure if it will get burn in for 2 weeks or always.

plus break in ,ansd so on, never end.

pic is ok lasma

the tread start in 2008 and it 's running in 2011.

I almost buy a plasma....and did see this tread....change to LCD.

some lcd have black like plasma.

you'r lucky :you can return!!!!!!!!!!

anyhow put it back in the box go to the store ........!@#$%?&*(

in my town no BB or Future...

if i had purchase a plasma i would be stuck with.

sellers from 3-4 stores told me that: if you have

burn in , whe dont change it for another HDTV.

i do respect those that have no problem and like their plasma

Bright text constantly on-screen for ~12 hours per day for 2 weeks would probably cause problems for any display type, especially when in "torch mode".
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post #2967 of 4398
4/25/11 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by Mastperf View Post

Bright text constantly on-screen for ~12 hours per day for 2 weeks would probably cause problems for any display type, especially when in "torch mode".

who will do that in the first thing? a psycho lollllllll
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post #2968 of 4398
4/25/11 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by franky932 View Post

who will do that in the first thing? a psycho lollllllll

You'd be surprised how many people will unknowingly do that sort of thing. My neighbors in their 60s bought a Samsung and have it in torch mode from day 1. Thankfully they have a LCD.
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post #2969 of 4398
4/25/11 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by franky932 View Post

who will do that in the first thing? a psycho lollllllll

Pretty much. The post he replied to was from someone who bought a store display (on for 12+ hours a day). Even then, it could still be some nasty image retention rather than burn-in.
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post #2970 of 4398
4/25/11 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by Mastperf View Post

Pretty much. The post he replied to was from someone who bought a store display (on for 12+ hours a day). Even then, it could still be some nasty image retention rather than burn-in.

ok but in store there are plug on bluerays
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