Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 107

Heavy image retention. It can lead to burn-in if you don't stop whatever that causes it (playing games). Welcome to the wonderful world of Plasma -- where you gain some, but also loses some.

The thing I can't figure out is what actually caused the burn in. I looked at the game again after I noticed the spots and there's absolutely nothing in the HUD or on the display that stays in those areas. Literally, there's nothing that could have stayed on screen long enough to cause burn in. I'm going to try running an anti burn in DVD for a while and see if that helps. If not, I'll have put in the call to Panasonic and get a repair guy out to look at it.

Hello everyone, for the past 2 weeks all I've done is nothing but try to read as much of the forums as i can. maybe that's why I'm going a little nuts here. I got my PN59D8000 2 weeks ago and I've been freaking out about burn-in & IR, now to the point that im considering exchanged it for the UN series, I have burned the break in dvd with all the solid colors and have run it for a few hours here and there, my wife watches shows with black bars on the side, and i do a fair amount of gaming. The first weekend alone i was so excite to have the tv i forgot about this and i played a few hours of Battlefield right after i could see some signs of IR so i was upset then after a night of my wife watching her shows i saw it again with a channel logo, now both of the IR are gone but im still tryiing to decide if i made the right choice. I will do gaming on it in the future and my wife will watch shows with black bars on the side. Is this something i should be worry about ? will this be something i shouldn't be to concern about after the first 100 like so many people here say ? and i would like to hear from people that own this T.V. and have similar activities with it like i do ? and if they have had any problems with burn-in or IR? Thank You for any reply's

^^IR will ALWAYS be there so long as you owned your set, that's just the nature of plasma tv, it is temporary and washes out shortly while viewing something else (in full screen mode perhaps). Burn-In CAN still occur if you keep on playing games in torch mode for the long run. If you still believe the hype that "burn-ins are a thing of the past", then go ahead, feel free! The very same people that raved and raved about the statement comes back here a few months later (with a new username) and cry about their burned sets.

If you want to save your TV, do the following:
Contrast: 55 (or percent)
Brightness (54 (or percent)
Set all SD channels to 'zoom' mode from your TV remote, NOT from the cable box. This way you minimize the scaling and loss of quality, and at the same time you'll have full-screen mode on all channels, and it won't affect your HD channels, they will remained the same.

Do this for about two-three months and cross your fingers; pray to Jesus, Buddha, Allah or just God and hope that your TV panel will miraculously resurrect back to its original condition. I did it with my Panasonic for two whole months and now it is as good as new! But then I'm not a gamer and doesn't watch stuff in 4:3 format, I did it because I acquired a nasty burn-in (or heavy image-retention) from my home theater receiver's onscreen GUI.

From what I've gathered you're going to have to be careful if you intend to use a plasma for a lot of gaming and TV watching.

First, make sure your pixel orbiting is turned on. It shifts the image slightly every few minutes to try and help the pixels from being burned in. Second, if you find yourself only watching certain channels all the time, and you play one particular game all the time, like say Battlefield multiplayer, a plasma might not be the best TV for you. Over the long haul it would be hard to avoid burn in.

Just think of it this way. Anytime a static object is on your plasma screen it is being burned in. Now it may take a hours to make it truly persistent for a while, but it's always happening. So you just need to be aware that you need a mix of things to prevent these things from being burned in permanently. If you're going to play Battlefield online for 3 hours, you might want to make sure that TV is also getting 5 hours of something else the next night. It can't just be 3 hours of the same thing night after night, or you will end up with a problem.

My PN59D8000 is coming in on Friday what should be the first steps in setting it up ie break-in?
I want to do it right since this is a pretty expensive purchase for me and the wife.

Hi,
Congratulations on you purschase of that plasma,wish you many years of happy viewing on it.And only on thing you must take care is to not to worry much but use it gently for the first 200 hrs.Avoid content with black bars,But todays tv's do have a picture fill function or the zoom mode,use it when its needed.
What ever you do with your tv,never leave the tv working when no one is around it.Since if there is a still or pause image more that 2 hours it will create I.R or stains of some particular color.
So i would suggest you to watch BD Movies in zoom 1 mode if need be.and break-in your tv in that fashion than running color slides 24x7 and weakining all its power caps & I.C's.

Wish you all the best.

Love,
kris.

Thank you for this thread. There is no way on earth I'd buy a plasma. It'd worry me to death.

Lol..I was in the same boat, but plasma has the better picture. I was worry sick, but after the 150 to 200 hrs. It should be fine. I rather have IR than clouding in my LCD. If ur scare of plasma and have the money go with Sony xbr 929. But high end plasma are cheaper and produce better black level than other led LCD. I have a pn64d8000 and I'm loving it.

Hi,

Iam very glad you made your choice,and that you found peace.But your User ID is "likemovies" have you watched latest BD movies in LCD's and if you like that quality then its fine....

love,
kris.

Guys, anyone knows where to find a free alternative "Break-In" video that's somewhat "decent"? Or an mp4?

Just moved my 4+ yr old Panny TH-42PH9UK to a different location in my house and when I was setting it up, noticed the bottom of the screen has been burned in with image from an NFL game that must have been paused. Kind of surprised I hadn't noticed it before since it couldn't have been from this season (haven't watched much preseason).

I'm already bummed that the TV seems to be on its last legs, and now this image burn-in is persuading me from staying away from Panasonic & plasma in the future.

Hmm.. isn't that a little bit of an unfair decision?

That's a 4 year old Plasma.

Then again, LCD's IMO are maintenance free compared to plasmas.

Goodluck

Oh man... I have to vent.

I got my GT25 this past February. I had to spend valuable time for the first month or two breaking it in... and it was kind of miserable. Welp... the TV had a faulty panel and Panasonic just decided to send me a new TV instead of trying to fix the old one.

So my new GT30 arrived today... Not happy about having to break in another TV... Very not happy about that.

Pretty sexy TV, though, otherwise. Is anything different about the GT30 than the GT25? Does anybody know?

OK I'm a little confused about a certain burn-in issue. For the past 2+ years I've owned an LG LCD but I'm looking for a TV now with better blacks. I always knew plasma had better black levels than LCD but, like many, was worried about burn in. My problem is I'm an old movie buff and probably about half of my TV watching are black and white movies shot in 1.37:1, so I'm going to be doing a LOT of 4:3 watching. Like I said I steered clear of plasma despite the better blacks because I was afraid of the black bars on the sides burning in. From what I understand now, though, it's not so much the black bars burning in as uneven aging of the phosphors? That is, when there are black bars on the sides the phosphors are not being used, thus the phosphors in the middle portion of the screen being used to create the image will age faster than the phosphors on the sides? I know Panasonic has an option to set the black bars to grey, but then wouldn't those grey bars burn in since they're not black?

Also, how effective are the pixel orbiters that many sets have now? Theoretically, if the pixels are being continuously shifted, then shouldn't burn in be a moot point now?

burn in IR is not a moot point! IF you are going to worry about IR , look at the sony or vizio local dimming . they have equal black levels as any high end plasma. Best thing to do , I think, is go look at each tv you are considering several times and Take your time. Make notes if ya like! Remember , you are the one going to be watching it! Regards

I just bought a panasonic plasma tv. Im using the tv with max zoom, as suggested ,to break in cells. Ill do this for the first 100/150 hours.

My question is, watching the tv with max zoom for the first hours can decrease the quality of the image?.

Hi,
Glad to hear you too purchase panasonic plasma,And i feel zoom one is sufficient to remove upper & lower black bars.And yes as you zoom the picture the image pixels size are bound to increase in size there by giving a little blur picture quality but it has no ill effects on your tv panel.
But what i would suggest is watch HD content from BD or DTH HD and to avoid channel logo IR or permenent burn-in try changing channels every 30 to 45 minutes.And also enable all the anti I.R tools if available in your setup options menu.

Happy viewing,

Love,
kris.

If you use the remote to 'zoom' supplied by your TV, then you won't lose any picture quality. If you use anything else such as from a cable box or DVD/BD player then you will see a loss of quality because of the scaling. Usually, when you are viewing an SD channel; set it to zoom so you don't have to change it when you switch to HD channels, it will have no affect on hd channels and will automatically zoomed in when you view all SD contents. I have been doing this ever since when I got my set back in Feb.

If you use anything to enlarge, stretch , etc. the picture , you will lose picture quality. It doens't matter how you do it!

I agree, but if you use the remote from your (Panasonic) TV, you lose almost nothing. I know because I've tried it with all my remotes from different devices and the panny does a very good job zooming with little to almost zero losses. You can verify it carefully by using each different remotes and see for yourself, you'll find it when using the one from the tv, the pictures looked the same whereas the others such as DVD/BD or cable has a significantly loss of quality when zoomed.

Okay going to ran the break-in DVD what settings should I use on the Samsung pn59d8000?

edit: Also what settings should I use when gaming on the PS3?

Thanks for the help guys and gals

I will be receiving a Panasonic P50S30 on Friday. I am willing to hold off using the TV until after breaking it in but how would you suggest breaking in this plasma?

Also is there any rules I should institute to keep my plasma in good condition after it is broken in?

Thanks for helping out a noob

no break-in necessary. Just enjoy and watch tv and avoid the headache of break-in.
I have a Samsung Plasma and have no issue with IR or burn-in. XBOX / PS3 games with huds dont burn in.

I really hope that is true I have just read to many bad stories and I have time to break it in. Any suggestjons for the very cautious?

Interested in buying a plasma tv that will be used for heavy gaming. TV maybe used by various people for 5-8 hrs or more steady. Bought an LCD 4 years ago because of IR/Burn in. Really do not want to have watch the set for this issue. Will the newer plasmas be able to play video game, watch tv with logos etc... without problems? If not, I guess another lcd. Thanks for your help.

Another LCD for you.

absolutely an LED LCD or LCD!



Something else I would like to mention: It is funny how most of the Plasma Fanboys never post on this sticky to face the Real Truth about Plasma BurnIn / IR!


Just an observation.


Regards and Cheers

Plasmas are excellent for movies, the best I've seen, and for games...well...they are excellent too (graphic wise) but unfortunately plasma screens are prone to burns! There are guys in here that will rave about how they'd gone 8-10 hours a day playing games and not get a single IR or burns. I can honestly say this: either they are as blind as a bat or just being plain bias. Sooner or later, you'll see them coming in here and cry all over these boards with their problems. This Reminded me of a friend that doubles his plasma as a giant computer screen for the past three years, now he's contemplating to me saying that he'd seen artifacts lingering on his screen. Fun to hear, and for the most part -- certainly fun to read about them in here.

I'm a proud owner of a 2010 42" Panasonic Plasma and I would NEVER considered using it any other way other than watching movies, let alone substituting it as a giant computer screen, or for gaming.

Sure I get IR on my plasmas but so what. I don't see it with normal viewing and it goes away so I see no reason to be concerned. Honestly, I don't know why people obsess about IR. It didn't seem to bother anyone when we were all watching CRT displays so why the big deal now? If I look for IR I can see it but it's completely unnoticeable during normal viewing. I have two plasmas and two LCDs, I much prefer the plasmas.