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post #331 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Gman1976 View Post

Thanks for the advice. I'm downloading the break in cd now. Will running that correct the problem if it can be corrected? Just wondering.

.. yes, many that post here have seen success in recovering from severe IR; if 'permanent' burn-in, that could be a problem. I would run w/ contrast set down as many in the links noted. Its all a matter of balancing the phosphor's equally thus neutralizing the effect of what you see now. It may take as much as another 50-100hrs to see change. patience & good luck
post #332 of 5199
I´m getting my Plasma tv on Saturday. I´ll be gaming alot... so i need to do a properly break in

So far this is what i think i should do. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I´M MISSING SOMETHING OR WHATEVER.

1)Settings at 50% or below
2)Always use Scan mode (avoid black bars)
3)don´t game for more than 1hs-2hs on the first 100hs (break in period)
4)Run the break in DVD (posted on 1st post of this thread) until i reach 100hs break
5)constantly run the Blank anti burn in from the display
6)always use the shift picture and all anti burn in features of the tv.

After passing 100hs i can slowly start using the tv as it was meant to be.. as a tv

This is ok?

btw im getting this series model Samsung:
Samsung xx34, xx44, xx54, xx64 Series Plasma Thread

42"

It´s the only plasma available on my country, the other plasmas available are really old (2004-06) btw.
post #333 of 5199
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Originally Posted by booker21 View Post

.. After passing 100hs i can slowly start using the tv as it was meant to be.. as a tv

This is ok?

btw im getting this series model Samsung:
Samsung xx34, xx44, xx54, xx64 Series Plasma Thread

42"

It´s the only plasma available on my country, the other plasmas available are really old (2004-06) btw.

.. congrats booker; sounds like a good plan, you've done some homework. Alittle patience in the initial period (i believe) can be rewarding longterm. some, especially w/ certain panasonic's and pioneer's prefer a 'gradual' break-in period w/ their desired preference settings .. it takes alittle longer 'though' to enter an undeterminable, presumptive 'safe zone'; they will game during this period but i presume they're keeping track of potential dangers that might be imposed on the screen. using the 'break-in DVD' just accelerates this method abit but you still need to be mindful of 'game play' until you reach the magical ~100-150hrs and then, i would still keep an eye on it. enjoy it 'though' .. you'll know when enough is enough. *add: check back in w/ your progress.
post #334 of 5199
I just got a Samsung 5884 last week. Upon setup, I enabled the pixel shifting features. Today, I watched a DVD for the first time. My DVD player runs a clock at the top of the screen. The movie I watched was about 90 minutes long.

The first 2 zeroes from the clock seem to have been retained in the screen.

I didn't ever think this would be an issue because I thought that IR/burn in required several hours. I am really disappointed now.

I have been running the "scrolling" and "white" programs for 3 hours straight and am still seeing the 2 zeroes. Is this temporary IR? Is this permanent burn-in? Is there anything else I can do or am I pretty much screwed?
post #335 of 5199
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Originally Posted by blackrain View Post

I just got a Samsung 5884 last week. Upon setup, I enabled the pixel shifting features. Today, I watched a DVD for the first time. My DVD player runs a clock at the top of the screen. The movie I watched was about 90 minutes long.

The first 2 zeroes from the clock seem to have been retained in the screen.

I didn't ever think this would be an issue because I thought that IR/burn in required several hours. I am really disappointed now.

I have been running the "scrolling" and "white" programs for 3 hours straight and am still seeing the 2 zeroes. Is this temporary IR? Is this permanent burin-in? Is there anything else I can do or am I pretty much screwed?

should have broke the tv in for at least 100 hours before playing stuff like that. that being said, it should go away.
post #336 of 5199
going forward, is there any way for you to get rid of the clock displayed by your DVD player? It seems odd to me for anybody to watch a movie with clock overlay.
post #337 of 5199
PS: where is airhostess anyway? we'd like to hear about her stance that IR and burn in are just myths. I'd like to know the method her friends use to get rid of burn-in, especially the ones from the flight info plasmas.
post #338 of 5199
I've never, ever heard of a DvD player that has a clock on the TV screen while watching movies. There's got to be a way to turn that off.

Seconly, I've found that turning on some HD channels (zoomed in) will get rid of IR fast. I've got a Panny plasma and I've never noticed any IR that lasted longer than 3 or 4 minutes. I'm still being super careful (still breaking it in - 80 hours right now). Last night I played Drakes Fortune with my game settings cranked down low (30's-40's - less than 50%). I got a phone call, and accidentally left it on the startup screen with big white letters. I had slight IR after this. Started the game up, played for 5 minutes and checked it out with a black screen.....completely gone.
post #339 of 5199
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

PS: where is airhostess anyway? we'd like to hear about her stance that IR and burn in are just myths. I'd like to know the method her friends use to get rid of burn-in, especially the ones from the flight info plasmas.

Well the IR on my 4270 IS fading away ,it's been two weeks ,but I can no loger read the words "on the clock" and as I last night I could hardly see the out line . To make , I had my son look (incase it was just wishful thinking ) but it is going away.
post #340 of 5199
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Originally Posted by lowpsi View Post

should have broke the tv in for at least 100 hours before playing stuff like that. that being said, it should go away.

I asked the Firedog tech whether I needed to do anything to break in the TV or if there was anything to avoid. He said I didn't need to do anything. So I didn't worry about it. I just tried to be aware of "long" display of images. Unfortunately, the term "long" is relative. The manual certainly doesn't explain what "long" is. I always thought (from reading this forum) that long was like 3+ hours. Apparently, that's not the case.

In the meantime, I am going to figure out how to turn off the clock or otherwise use a different DVD player.
post #341 of 5199
Alright, I'm sure the following question has already been answered. I have done my best to research the issue of burn in and IR, but have not found this specific answer.

I play quite a bit of videogames. Maybe 2-3 hours every couple days. However, my little brother lives with me for the summers. He can, and does, play videogames for 8, 10, 12 hours a day, at times.

Will playing games for this amount of time, with a HUD in the corner and a pixel shifter/orbiter/whatever on result in severe IR or burn in on mid->high end sets?

Thanks, and sorry about that horse.
post #342 of 5199
Hello all.....
newbie in need of some help

I recently purchased a 6010FD....i just turned it on and watched espn for like 10 minutes.....i was impressed and boxed everything together again because my stand has not arrived yet.


1. to break in this TV properly......do I have to do the 150hr dvd and then an ISF calibration? or are Dnice's settings good enough?

2. whats the longest someone has gone with a static image on one of these models with no problems?
.......i know this model has devices to prevent burn in/IR .....just wanna make sure that when i play games, that i dont overplay the TV

3. is it more dangerous to shut down the tv after you spot a ghost image than to just switch channels?

by the way....this forum is awesome
you guys really know your stuff
post #343 of 5199
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Originally Posted by RYU583 View Post

.. 1. to break in this TV properly......do I have to do the 150hr dvd and then an ISF calibration? or are Dnice's settings good enough?

2. whats the longest someone has gone with a static image on one of these models with no problems?
.......i know this model has devices to prevent burn in/IR .....just wanna make sure that when i play games, that i dont overplay the TV

3. is it more dangerous to shut down the tv after you spot a ghost image than to just switch channels?

by the way....this forum is awesome
you guys really know your stuff

1. some say a break-in using the DVD and D'Nice settings (pg 1, Settings sticky) is unnecessary, just view normally using D'Nice "reference" settings (sab) & avoid extended 4:3 viewing, preferably using wide-zoom to avoid it (all-together) & black sidebars & static images. the 'break-in DVD" will accelerate the (phosphor) 'break-in' up to the 100-150hr time frame; you can use the "reference" or the "break-in" settings w/ the DVD, but "do not use" the later for anything other than the DVD. D'Nice recommends a 400hr break-in before any calibration in order for proper phosphor aging. i would use D'Nice's "reference" settings & tweak if necessary; they are pretty-much right on target.

2. A recent thread post mentioned a test conducted roughly two years ago where they tested a/r 12 plasma's and after 48hrs of displaying a permanent image, they were able to recover using 'unknown' method I don't remember. some have reported here 4-8hr stints on their plasma with some or minor IR, which quickly goes away; Pioneer's are very good in this department. mentioning "overplay the TV" .. aren't you -at All- exhausted after just 3hrs; eye movement, thumb movement, etc., i would think that would not be healthy; just wondering(?)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=794530&page=2 (post #48)

3. "i have no response to that"
post #344 of 5199
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Scotty2H View Post

Alright, I'm sure the following question has already been answered. I have done my best to research the issue of burn in and IR, but have not found this specific answer.

I play quite a bit of videogames. Maybe 2-3 hours every couple days. However, my little brother lives with me for the summers. He can, and does, play videogames for 8, 10, 12 hours a day, at times.

Will playing games for this amount of time, with a HUD in the corner and a pixel shifter/orbiter/whatever on result in severe IR or burn in on mid->high end sets?

Thanks, and sorry about that horse.

Good chance of IR if you are talking 12 hours of one game. Especially if the next day he plays the same game again.
post #345 of 5199
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post #346 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Scotty2H
Alright, I'm sure the following question has already been answered. I have done my best to research the issue of burn in and IR, but have not found this specific answer.

I play quite a bit of videogames. Maybe 2-3 hours every couple days. However, my little brother lives with me for the summers. He can, and does, play videogames for 8, 10, 12 hours a day, at times.

Will playing games for this amount of time, with a HUD in the corner and a pixel shifter/orbiter/whatever on result in severe IR or burn in on mid->high end sets?

Thanks, and sorry about that horse

Playing the same game for that amount of time (especially if it has static images) is asking for trouble IMO. If you've properly broken in the TV it might be a bit more resistant, but mine seems to have permanent burn in from COD4 with a lot less play time than you describe. I'm still holding out hope that the break in CD can get rid of that image, but in the meantime I'm getting my COD fix on my 32" CRT and avoiding gaming on my plasma.

The point of the TV is enjoyment obviously, so you want to be able to use it. You just have to be careful- I would tell your brother if he's playing for that long to take a 20 minute break every couple of hours and let the TV run on a station with no black bars or logos.
post #347 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Gman1976 View Post

Playing the same game for that amount of time (especially if it has static images) is asking for trouble IMO. If you've properly broken in the TV it might be a bit more resistant, but mine seems to have permanent burn in from COD4 with a lot less play time than you describe. I'm still holding out hope that the break in CD can get rid of that image, but in the meantime I'm getting my COD fix on my 32" CRT and avoiding gaming on my plasma.

The point of the TV is enjoyment obviously, so you want to be able to use it. You just have to be careful- I would tell your brother if he's playing for that long to take a 20 minute break every couple of hours and let the TV run on a station with no black bars or logos.

I play my videogames for 25hrs day and I dont have any problems so far.


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post #348 of 5199
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by leno View Post

I play my videogames for 25hrs day and I dont have any problems so far.


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He is referring to playing the exact same game, non-stop for 8 - 10 hours or so. No other content inbetween, no other games, the same game. That can lead to problems, might not, better safe then sorry.
post #349 of 5199
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Originally Posted by leno View Post

I play my videogames for 25hrs day and I dont have any problems so far.


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I thought a day only had 24 hours in it?
post #350 of 5199
Thanks for the replies guys. I may have to lay some ground rules down. Or just make him play on my old tv. Better safe than sorry.
post #351 of 5199
I purchased an LG50PG20 recently and didn't see any image retention problems. When I first received the set I moved contrast and brightness to 40 each, and then just started watching some HD.

I didn't notice that the History Channel Logo was burned into the screen until I had the lights off (very dark) and was about 6 inches from the screen. I could make out the entire logo. However, when a picture was display, I couldn't see it at all, not even a faint outline. When sitting at my normal viewing distance (7.5 feet) I cannot see any of this burn-in, and even watching a program from 1 foot away doesn't show any of this IR. It only appears when the entire screen goes black and from a very, very short distance.

So, I guess in my case, the issue is somewhat moot. I mean, if I can't see it, should it really bother me? Probably not.

Perhaps what bothered me the most was that I had to watch several hours of HD in order to remove the burn-in affect. I mean it took a really long time to clear it out. The manual in my new LG states that the white-wash feature should be used "sparingly" and I am not sure what they mean by that. I presume the engineers know more than I do, so I will use it sparingly. But, even so, the white-wash feature didn't remove the IR from the History Channel HD logo. It just took a lot of time and viewing of other material.

Asside from that, I really enjoy the set. The picture quality is fantastic. I just hope that IR isn't a common problem with the set and I hope that after time goes by, it will become less prominant.
post #352 of 5199
I've had the Panny pz85U for about 2 weeks now, turned settings down, have avoided black bars and gamed only slightly.

I only started noticing IR about 3 days ago. The Playstation 3 Xbar will ghost after only a few seconds on the screen, but that fades within minutes. Menus also ghost quickly but fade out in 5 minutes or less.

However I watched some of the NBA playoffs last night on TNT and their giant scoreboard in the bottom left corner is visible on my screen now, with one caveat: it cannot be seen unless you're a few inches away from an all black screen. It doesn't show if there is any content on the screen, only on an all black screen and only at really short distances. This makes me feel less compelled to abandon ship and take it back but it did freak me out. It still isn't gone after using the white bar and a few hours worth of full screen video content.

I only watched 45 minutes tops of the game, so the fact that it happened worries me. During football season I'm known to watch 9 or more hours of football on saturdays. If a TNT scoreboard for 45 minutes causes this kind of IR now, my football watching plans are going to have to change with regards to this set.

I just hope it fades completely. On the one hand, I can't see it under most normal viewing situations so I sort of wonder if it's a huge deal at all, on the other hand I know it is there and it can happen quickly, so does that mean it could be worse in the future?

I'm not sure. I will say that all other aspects of this TV have been great though.
post #353 of 5199
I've had my px80 for about two weeks, and I've noticed IR to be disappearing more and more quickly as time goes on. I'm at the 100 hour mark, but I'm going to be careful with it for the next hundred or so just to be safe.

One question I have that I haven't seen addressed in these threads (unless I missed it) has to do with phosphor aging. I loooove movies. I will watch probably 4-6 movies per week. Most movies have the black bars...so, over time will my TV age improperly in certain spots? I mean like 5 years from now, will the place where the black bars are be even brighter than the middle? Will the middle of my screen 'age' faster, thus giving me an uneven picture a few years down the road?

So far I've only noticed some slight ghosting, and it always goes away within a few minutes. I'm probably being anal about this, but this is my first expensive TV and I want to be as careful as possible and I want to get as much life out of this bad boy as I possibly can.

I got the DVD break-in disc and I'm going to run it 4-5 hours per day for the next few weeks to further the break-in process.

Any advice would be much appreciated! Thanks!
post #354 of 5199
Guys,

getting one of the new "3D Ready" 50" plasmas by Samsung burn-in worries me a lot.
Especially since i am hardcore gamer - and i am NOT talking about 4-5hrs/day. I am talking about mega-sessions playing WoW.

I got the "burn-in" DVD and plan to break-in the plasma keeping PC gaming at a minimum first. I just got a tweak how to set the UI in "World of Warcraft" to transparent....so i can set this to any desired opacity/transparency.

If i set the HUD/UI so they're barely visible...i am basically playing full screen without any significant static elements...from that point of view if i were to play hours and hours of WoW without the HUD elements...wouldnt it be the same as breaking it in?

The plasma i am getting also has pixel shift/horizontal and vertical which i will use...so wish me luck i wont get any big IR.

G.
post #355 of 5199
The DVD/VCD is a good idea - but i am wondering if there is a screen-saver or program doing the same as the DVD.
This would be way better - especially the screen saver if it would "swipe" the TV (connected to the PC) as soon as you're idle for a few minutes.

maybe i can make one myself.

The other question is...how do you know that the patterns and transitions used on the DVD are the optimum once for breaking-in a plasma?

Is the DVD also useable for removing IR....or is it merely a "breaking in" DVD?
post #356 of 5199
for Kuros, i'm wondering if anyone who advocates the 200 hour burn in peroid has ever actually had problems with IR on them, or if they are just being paranoid through word of mouth?

because I've had my set about a week with no break in and average viewing time - i watched a 2 hour 2.35 aspect movie and when it was over i checked 2 inches away from the screen and i could see no evidence of IR at all.
post #357 of 5199
Same deal with my Pioneer 6010FD; had it since last Friday, and I've never seen a hint of any IR on anything at all.

But just due to paranoia I'm running the break-in DVD anyway.
post #358 of 5199
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Originally Posted by SCRUN68 View Post

I've had the Panny pz85U for about 2 weeks now, turned settings down, have avoided black bars and gamed only slightly.

I only started noticing IR about 3 days ago. The Playstation 3 Xbar will ghost after only a few seconds on the screen, but that fades within minutes. Menus also ghost quickly but fade out in 5 minutes or less.

However I watched some of the NBA playoffs last night on TNT and their giant scoreboard in the bottom left corner is visible on my screen now, with one caveat: it cannot be seen unless you're a few inches away from an all black screen. It doesn't show if there is any content on the screen, only on an all black screen and only at really short distances. This makes me feel less compelled to abandon ship and take it back but it did freak me out. It still isn't gone after using the white bar and a few hours worth of full screen video content.

I only watched 45 minutes tops of the game, so the fact that it happened worries me. During football season I'm known to watch 9 or more hours of football on saturdays. If a TNT scoreboard for 45 minutes causes this kind of IR now, my football watching plans are going to have to change with regards to this set.

I just hope it fades completely. On the one hand, I can't see it under most normal viewing situations so I sort of wonder if it's a huge deal at all, on the other hand I know it is there and it can happen quickly, so does that mean it could be worse in the future?

I'm not sure. I will say that all other aspects of this TV have been great though.

I have the Samsung PNA550 and also have the same concerns. I've had my set for two weeks and have broken it by watching full screen HD Movies/TV shows with settings at about 50%. I have also gamed slightly, and any IR visible IR on an all black screen has disappeared in seconds/minutes.

However, since I know I am around 130 viewing hours or so I decided to adjust the contrast closer to my gaming tastes. Two nights ago with the new settings I play Call of Duty 4 for three 45 minute (roughly) sessions which resulted in the COD hud visible on an all black screen. It took several hours of full screen content to rid the IR, so naturally I am worried about gaming or watching anything with static images in the future and possible burn in.

Since the hud was faintly visible on an all black when EXTREMELY close to the screen I wanted to ask long time plasma owners: does this even matter? At what point should visible IR be a concern for the possibility of burn in? Does this faint image indicate I have to be careful with burn in (since it lasted so long) and should I worry about completely washing away the faint image before playing the game again?

I appreciate anyone's help
post #359 of 5199
I've ordered a Panny 50PZ800....Wasn't really concerned about IR/Burn-in since my understanding was that this problem had bee nfixed in the newer plasmas.

However, reading this thread has led me to re-think. I totally like plasma PQ alot better than LCD's....but I don't know if I could deal with this burn-in/IR issue....

Been deabting about getting the break-in DVD...would have to buy it since I don't have a DVD burner.....doesn't seem like doing this should be necessary but I'm willing to if it will help the TV out....

I'm not a heavy gamer, but do have a PS3 and plan to use it occaisonally....and I realyl don't want to be "afraid" everytime I use it.

So do people really think running the break-in DVD makes that much of a difference?

Also, do you have to just run the break-in DVD only when you first get the TV? Or could you just watch TV normally (stretched, of course) and then play the break-in DVD when not actually watching TV like during the day or overnight?
post #360 of 5199
You don't have to have the DVD; just avoid static images for a long time the first 100-200 hours, and even that may be overkill, its just to be on the safe side.

Watch TV in full-screen mode with no black bars, it will "break in" on it's own without the DVD, it just speeds up the process.

Once you do that you really have to abuse a current plasma to get true burn-in. You can get IR, but that will go away. Don't be scared away from Plasma, they just are too good to let that happen.
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