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post #3571 of 5198
Thanks for your input Archer. I hate the whole babying of the tv, I didn't realize how much of a pain it would be. I am looking at the KDL46EX723 or the UN46D6420U. This thread has made me beyond paranoid lol.
post #3572 of 5198
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Originally Posted by balla01 View Post

Thanks for your input Archer. I hate the whole babying of the tv, I didn't realize how much of a pain it would be. I am looking at the KDL46EX723 or the UN46D6420U. This thread has made me beyond paranoid lol.

You bet! And both of those are nice TVs also. Just FYI, I exchanged my LED tv (LG 47LW5600) for my plasma because of the 'flash lights' on the corners, and the horrible gaming input lag. And you can find a bunch of other issues with LED tvs in general as well, so in the end stick with the TV that makes you the happiest (which is your current TV hopefully), and cross that bridge of dealing with an issue when you get there- you might be surprised that you may never have to cross that bridge.
post #3573 of 5198
Hopefully so, I was just hoping that burn ins weren't really an issue anymore. After reading this thread they are obviously still around, the companies even make burn in protections on their models. It's kind of scary, no wonder a lot of manufacturers have left the plasma world.
post #3574 of 5198
I posted about my issue in the Samsung D8000 thread- did not realize this thread was here!

I have a new 59D8000- have had it for about 48 days, which I am guessing is something like 300 hours of use, give or take.

I have developed a faint outline of the ESPN bottom line ticker- a horizontal line matching where the bottom line ticker, and you can also see the ESPN logo- it is faint and can only be seen when the screen is white or bright, but it is there.

Is there any way to know for sure if this is IR or burn in?? I ran the Samsung built in screen burn protection black and white scroll for about 16 hours today, and also ran a snow screen for about an hour. After all of that, it is still there.

Trying not to panic- is there still a chance this will go away?? Should I continue to run the scroll and snow screens??
post #3575 of 5198
Hey.

I will be helping my friend install and break in a Panny 50S30, replacing dead 25" CRT.

This will be my first time doing this from scratch.

Their needs:
- Tight budget. Longevity is a goal.
- NO broadcast or cable TV, ever.
- 90% movies (DVD, Netflix stream), 10% gaming.
- No Bluray for at least a year. Maybe never if streaming flourishes.

They will be warned about IR, esp for gaming.

They aren't videophiles at all, but I want them to get the most out of their purchase.

I read back a few pages, and didn't seem to find anything new, info-wise.

Is this rough procedure OK at this level:
- 100-200 hours break-in: low brightness, low contrast, full-screen.
- Slideshow seems optional - DVD movies OK for this purpose?
- Run calibration afterwards. Will use Video Essentials DVD.
- I will check in on them occasionally over a few months.

Lastly, please tell me I don't need a PC for anything. They've got one but it's immovable, 100 ft away from TV.

Thanx in advance!
post #3576 of 5198
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Originally Posted by drwavs View Post

I posted about my issue in the Samsung D8000 thread- did not realize this thread was here!

I have a new 59D8000- have had it for about 48 days, which I am guessing is something like 300 hours of use, give or take.

I have developed a faint outline of the ESPN bottom line ticker- a horizontal line matching where the bottom line ticker, and you can also see the ESPN logo- it is faint and can only be seen when the screen is white or bright, but it is there.

Is there any way to know for sure if this is IR or burn in?? I ran the Samsung built in screen burn protection black and white scroll for about 16 hours today, and also ran a snow screen for about an hour. After all of that, it is still there.

Trying not to panic- is there still a chance this will go away?? Should I continue to run the scroll and snow screens??

I have to ask- how often/long do you sit and stare at a white screen???

Yep it's burn-in, you have a screwed up tv, and I would take a sledgehammer to the screen immediately!! Or... I'd be happy to take it off your hands and I won't even charge you for it!

Seriously, do you notice the IR during 'normal' viewing?

As I've said before...
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Originally Posted by Archer444 View Post

I wouldn't return it if I were you. The BI/IR issue freaked me out as well before I bought my plasma; however, if you really evaluate the issues you've read about with IR/BI you'll see that a majority of the people only notice IR on their tvs while viewing white or green screens (or a 'colored slide picture'), at totally unrealistic viewing distances (like staring at the spot from 6" away from the screen), or any other anal-retentive way they can find to prove IR is a 'problem'. I ABUSE my tv (Panny GT30) and have yet to see any hint of BI. However, there are several other Panny GT30 owners who do post about having IR issues with their TVs- yet many of these posts fall under the situations I've described above.

You have a warranty plan and a nice TV- enjoy it!
post #3577 of 5198
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Originally Posted by Archer444 View Post

I have to ask- how often/long do you sit and stare at a white screen???

Yep it's burn-in, you have a screwed up tv, and I would take a sledgehammer to the screen immediately!! Or... I'd be happy to take it off your hands and I won't even charge you for it!

Seriously, do you notice the IR during 'normal' viewing?

As I've said before...

Thanks- I ran the static screens overnight, so did not stare at them!!

No, the IR I have is not major, although it can be seen, as you said, with a white/bright background. Not panicking about it, but was just wondering what the chances are that this IR, minor as it is, will fade away.

And I am probably a little paranoid because this is a replacement set for a 58C8000 that had to be replaced due to the purple/pink banding issue that plagued many.....

Thanks again for the reply
post #3578 of 5198
hey guys, got a doubt here.lets say im updating a game on my ps3 and that takes quite a bit of time.i switch off my tele and let the update go on.will this help in preventing ir/burn ins since the tele is not operating or there is no static images there(well obviously since its off right)?
post #3579 of 5198
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Originally Posted by drwavs View Post

Thanks- I ran the static screens overnight, so did not stare at them!!

No, the IR I have is not major, although it can be seen, as you said, with a white/bright background. Not panicking about it, but was just wondering what the chances are that this IR, minor as it is, will fade away.

And I am probably a little paranoid because this is a replacement set for a 58C8000 that had to be replaced due to the purple/pink banding issue that plagued many.....

Thanks again for the reply

I have no doubt it will fade with time, but I know what you mean about being paranoid. It's like that small chip in your windshield- you know it's there, it will always be there, but it's only noticeable when you look for it.
post #3580 of 5198
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Originally Posted by drwavs View Post

I posted about my issue in the Samsung D8000 thread- did not realize this thread was here!

I have a new 59D8000- have had it for about 48 days, which I am guessing is something like 300 hours of use, give or take.

I have developed a faint outline of the ESPN bottom line ticker- a horizontal line matching where the bottom line ticker, and you can also see the ESPN logo- it is faint and can only be seen when the screen is white or bright, but it is there.

Is there any way to know for sure if this is IR or burn in?? I ran the Samsung built in screen burn protection black and white scroll for about 16 hours today, and also ran a snow screen for about an hour. After all of that, it is still there.

Trying not to panic- is there still a chance this will go away?? Should I continue to run the scroll and snow screens??

It is not guaranteed that it's burn in. There are stages that the tv goes through before it get's too the point that it's considered burned in. Probably a case of heavy image retention. I have a problem where my video input logo the one that pops up and stays on the top right hand side of the screen showing you what input you are currently in is now a slight darker ghosted image. I can clearly read and make out "HDMI1/DVI" it is faint but noticeable on a full white screen i think it's also visible on a black screen. It's been on there now for some time i am not going to continue to stress over it it might just go away. Some image retention can take months to go away each tv and case is different, there is not way of knowing for sure.
post #3581 of 5198
Posting here just to get some more input unless I hear from D-Nice on his thread:

I've been doing the break-in slides per Evangelo's break-in page, at low contrast, low brightness for 100 hours.

After reading D-Nice's settings thread, am I reading correctly now, that to use D-nice's settings, I should now do an additional 100 hours of the prep slides using his custom settings, THEN apply the picture settings?

I ask because of this warning in his thread:
"*****Note: This procedure is designed to prepare your display for the reference settings listed below by aging all pixels equally with the same content. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used as Break-in, Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention.*****"

So in essence, do I do: 100 hour break-in, 100 hour D-nice prep using his prep setting, then calibrate picture to D-nice's picture settings.

I've already put in 100 hours, I'd hate to have to do another 100 because I misread his warning note.
post #3582 of 5198
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Originally Posted by mhyug View Post

hey guys, got a doubt here.lets say im updating a game on my ps3 and that takes quite a bit of time.i switch off my tele and let the update go on.will this help in preventing ir/burn ins since the tele is not operating or there is no static images there(well obviously since its off right)?

Yes, but I don't think it's necessary. I've been doing the ps3 updates through my Panasonic plasmas for years and have never had a problem from leaving the TV on. I get IR but I can't see with normal viewing so what's the big deal? Honestly, all this burn-in crap is just a bunch of hype. Every plasma gets IR, if someone says their's doesn't they just don't know how to look for it. The point is that it fades away with normal viewing and is very rarely noticeable in normal viewing unless the screen is extremely abused (like those at airports with flight information displayed 24/7).
post #3583 of 5198
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Originally Posted by Buckeye911 View Post

Yes, but I don't think it's necessary. I've been doing the ps3 updates through my Panasonic plasmas for years and have never had a problem from leaving the TV on. I get IR but I can't see with normal viewing so what's the big deal? Honestly, all this burn-in crap is just a bunch of hype. Every plasma gets IR, if someone says their's doesn't they just don't know how to look for it. The point is that it fades away with normal viewing and is very rarely noticeable in normal viewing unless the screen is extremely abused (like those at airports with flight information displayed 24/7).

yeah your right, just a few weeks ago i over played a game and did notice some ir's but you really need to in front of the tv to notice it, i just played a different game with colors all around, moving stuff for a few weeks the previous ir is gone.but still im just keeping it under the cosh since its quite new.

its not that visible or simply said not visible at all if its just some light ir's.
post #3584 of 5198
OK, I guess I'm a moron. Before I bought my plasma (PN51D7000) a couple months ago, I researched and came to the conslusion that there was no need to worry about IR or burn in on Plasmas these days..."just do whats normal" is what I understood, and you won't have an issue.

Well, fast forward...bought the TV. Read through the thread for this model on calibration settings (yes, I know I didn't "callibrate" the TV, just played with the suggested settings to find what "felt" best). Anyway, TV looked great...fantastic on blue-ray through PS3...BUT, like a dumb ass, I didn't think to dial down the cell light & contrast when I switched the PS3 from a movie to a game.

Lately I've been hooked on Madden in franchise mode...not really playing the games so much, but doing the offseason stuff, evaluating rosters, trading, drafting, etc. Well their freaking background on these scenes has some extremely bright areas (like stripes almost) next to some extremely dark areas around the screen...especially in the lower left portion of the screen, but also some on the right hand side. Well, guess I hung out on these screens too long...has resulted in what I'd call burn in in these areas since it doesn't seem to be going away.

After first noticing the issue, any time I use the PS3 for anything other than blue ray, I'm dialing back the contrast & cell light settings to avoid any further issues.

I've been using the "scroll" function on the tv for IR protection, using a thing called Pixel Repair which alternates black & white full screens, and have tried a dvd that has small color blocks filling the screen constantly moving/changing. Anyway, image is still there after many hours of each. I can certainly see it when there is a white screen of course, but I can also see it watching regular tv anytime there is a solid color near the left or right edge, as long as the color isn't too dark.

Really noticible watching the x-games on the snow yesterday. At this point, its just a bit annoying when I see it, but can't freaking keep from looking for it!!

SO, nearing the end of the time when I can return the TV...thinking do I want to return it and get something different or just keep it and live with it. If I thought it was something that would get a little better over time, I'd just live with it. OR if I could somehow "fix" it. I did read somewhere that any IR fix problem needed at least 2x the hours that caused the problem in the first place...so If I was 20hrs on the screens with that background, I'd need 40hrs of the "repair". If that is true, maybe I just need more times with these processes.

Anyway, looking for sage advice (and like I said, yes I know I was an idiot and didn't use much common sense in my usage patterns in the early life of the TV)...Should I just return it and either get a new one or an LCD?? or keep at the repair processes and think it will gradually improve?? OR is there some better way of fixing??

any advice other than a brain transplant will be appreciated.

Thanks,
jj
post #3585 of 5198
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Originally Posted by jj4osu View Post

any advice other than a brain transplant will be appreciated.

Thanks,
jj

I have had the 64D8K for a couple months and when I finish playing MW3 or Madden, I usually run a snow screen for 10 -15 minutes and there is not a hint of IR anywhere. I know other believe in the slides etc....I have never tried them. The snow screen has always worked on my Kuro 6020 upstairs.
post #3586 of 5198
Thanks Fuzzy.

Now is there somplace I can download something where I can burn a dvd with a snow pattern?? I've searched and everything just says get one, like its easy to find...I've not found one. If I just go to my antenna and pick a channel with no signal, I get snow, but I also get a box in the middle of the tv telling me "weak or no signal" that I cannot get rid of.

jj
post #3587 of 5198
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Originally Posted by jj4osu View Post

Thanks Fuzzy.

Now is there somplace I can download something where I can burn a dvd with a snow pattern?? I've searched and everything just says get one, like its easy to find...I've not found one. If I just go to my antenna and pick a channel with no signal, I get snow, but I also get a box in the middle of the tv telling me "weak or no signal" that I cannot get rid of.

jj

While it's not free, the Disney WOW BR disk has a Pixel Flipper Java program that will run forever. Sort of a snow pattern, but designed specifically for IR.
post #3588 of 5198
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Originally Posted by jj4osu View Post

Thanks Fuzzy.

Now is there somplace I can download something where I can burn a dvd with a snow pattern?? I've searched and everything just says get one, like its easy to find...I've not found one. If I just go to my antenna and pick a channel with no signal, I get snow, but I also get a box in the middle of the tv telling me "weak or no signal" that I cannot get rid of.

jj

I have that, too, but if you have pixel shift activated, the box should move around on the screen like a screen saver..

Do you have the black and white scrolling screen burn protection on your set? I have that and have been running that and the snow screen to try and get rid of my IR (detailed in an above post)
post #3589 of 5198
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Originally Posted by jj4osu View Post

Thanks Fuzzy.

Now is there somplace I can download something where I can burn a dvd with a snow pattern?? I've searched and everything just says get one, like its easy to find...I've not found one. If I just go to my antenna and pick a channel with no signal, I get snow, but I also get a box in the middle of the tv telling me "weak or no signal" that I cannot get rid of.

jj

I just tune the TV to channel 3/4.......and let it set for a bit.
post #3590 of 5198
Try this, it is free and works well:

http://beginwithsoftware.com/videoguides/plasmatv/
post #3591 of 5198
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Originally Posted by crankbait View Post

Try this, it is free and works well:

http://beginwithsoftware.com/videoguides/plasmatv/

Thanks guys.

This is what I'm using currently along with the Black/white scroll built into the TV.

Tried to figure out some way to do "snow", but cannot find a download & when I leave the tv set to something with no signal, first, it has the box that says "no signal" that moves up and down a little, but portions are always lit with a border...and then, the tv automatically shuts off in just a few minutes if left on a channel with no signal.

I did decide to buy the Disney WOW blue ray...even if it doesn't help this, it seems like a useful tool to have.

Thanks guys.

jj
post #3592 of 5198
With the burn-in/IR that I have, I ran the snow and scroll for hrs and hrs with little to no effect. Eventually I decided to just live with it, and played Fable 3 for hours since it doesn't have any static images. Then I found essentially a screensaver channel that switches video of waterfalls and other nature scenes. I cranked up the cell light, brightness, and contrast and ran the screensaver channel while at work. It has mitigated the burn in to the point where I have to look for it on a white screen rather than have it smack me in the face. Between the hours of channel and game play with the cranked brightness, etc. it is definitely at levels I can live with without being disappointed every time there's white on the screen.
This is on a Samsung.
post #3593 of 5198
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SantosLH View Post

With the burn-in/IR that I have, I ran the snow and scroll for hrs and hrs with little to no effect. Eventually I decided to just live with it, and played Fable 3 for hours since it doesn't have any static images. Then I found essentially a screensaver channel that switches video of waterfalls and other nature scenes. I cranked up the cell light, brightness, and contrast and ran the screensaver channel while at work. It has mitigated the burn in to the point where I have to look for it on a white screen rather than have it smack me in the face. Between the hours of channel and game play with the cranked brightness, etc. it is definitely at levels I can live with without being disappointed every time there's white on the screen.
This is on a Samsung.

If it is going away then it is not burn in. Burn in is permenant. Sounds like you had bad IR. Keep doing what you did to reduce it and it should eventually go away.
post #3594 of 5198
I fell asleep last night with " the Pacific" menu up on my vt25
TV cut itself off after about 2ish hours!
Noticed IR this morning and played full content and it was gone in less than 2 minutes.
Just thought I would share!
post #3595 of 5198
My Panasonic 50ST30 continues to have horrific IR. It's very obvious when you switch inputs. The screen isn't close to resembling black. When I switch from a few hours of cable to another HDMI input for my blu-ray player, even my wife commented on how bad the screen looked. There were ghost imprints and uneven light areas all over the place. A lot of it does dissapate to some extent but it can take awhile. The screen just looks dirty and dingy. I've tried the set's own light bar and various patterns/pixel movers (disney WOW, blank channel snow, the beginwithsoftware CD, etc.) While they may have immediate effect, there seems to be nothing that can lessen the set's vulnerability to IR. The panel has been a great disappointment in this area, especially since I've dialed in some good all around video settings and like the set's ability to produce a good image.
post #3596 of 5198
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Originally Posted by Cal1981 View Post

My Panasonic 50ST30 continues to have horrific IR. It's very obvious when you switch inputs. The screen isn't close to resembling black. When I switch from a few hours of cable to another HDMI input for my blu-ray player, even my wife commented on how bad the screen looked. There were ghost imprints and uneven light areas all over the place. A lot of it does dissapate to some extent but it can take awhile. The screen just looks dirty and dingy. I've tried the set's own light bar and various patterns/pixel movers (disney WOW, blank channel snow, the beginwithsoftware CD, etc.) While they may have immediate effect, there seems to be nothing that can lessen the set's vulnerability to IR. The panel has been a great disappointment in this area, especially since I've dialed in some good all around video settings and like the set's ability to produce a good image.

I know doesn't it just upset you , some sets being more vulnerable then other ones.
post #3597 of 5198
Didn't know if to ask over in the Panasonic Settings thread but it's a simple question involving doing the "slides"....

I did not use them from the outset or follow the D_Nice instructions. Instead I've used about half normal programming (THX) and half running the XBox Media Player visualizations at Full Cinema. I'm also using Dave_O's setting in Custom for BR. I've got about 50-54 hrs in so far on the GT30.

Instead of doing the XBox Media Player a couple of hours each night like I have been, would running the slides instead help, do any good or no good considering the 50 hours the TV has at this point? Thank you.
post #3598 of 5198
I was close to picking up a 55ST30 in the next few days but came across this thread and went from full confidence in the ST30 plasmas (with possible green/pink blob problem) to now really cautious about the decision. All reviews I've read said that plasmas are great for gaming due to its low lag but then I read here that people get a range of IR problems with the set while playing. Some people only play for 30min then run slides to prevent IR. I'm not too worried about the first 30 days since its returnable but 2-3 years down the road. How come more reviews don't mention what seems to be an important factor when picking out a tv? A little IR wouldn't bother me but I can't imagine jumping through so many hoops and then still get annoying IR down the road.

Any thoughts? Is this just something you have to accept for plasmas? Or am i just overthinking it? I'm upgrading from a Sony 42a10 which has been a great tv for me (had blue blob problem fixed under warranty after 3-4 yrs)
post #3599 of 5198
I read a post in this thread stating that in 08 panasonic would suggest only watching 2.35 letterbox movies 15% of the time for the 1st 1000 hours. Is that still valid today?
post #3600 of 5198
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Originally Posted by Thanatos9 View Post

I was close to picking up a 55ST30 in the next few days but came across this thread and went from full confidence in the ST30 plasmas (with possible green/pink blob problem) to now really cautious about the decision. All reviews I've read said that plasmas are great for gaming due to its low lag but then I read here that people get a range of IR problems with the set while playing. Some people only play for 30min then run slides to prevent IR. I'm not too worried about the first 30 days since its returnable but 2-3 years down the road. How come more reviews don't mention what seems to be an important factor when picking out a tv? A little IR wouldn't bother me but I can't imagine jumping through so many hoops and then still get annoying IR down the road.

Any thoughts? Is this just something you have to accept for plasmas? Or am i just overthinking it? I'm upgrading from a Sony 42a10 which has been a great tv for me (had blue blob problem fixed under warranty after 3-4 yrs)

At this point you may want to wait until Panasonic and Samsung bring out their 2012 models and early purchasers begin to report in, although I am very wary of any claims that Panny makes about their plasma sets given my experience.
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