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post #3751 of 5198
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

Does your TV have a SD card slot or USB? If so, that would be the simple way to go. Slip it in and put it on repeat slideshow. I'm not familiar with using a CD for that procedure. Also, with the SD or USB, the TV is the only thing that needs to be on.

Yes on both slots-How do I convert the zipfile and install the slides on a USB stick then?
post #3752 of 5198
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Originally Posted by StevenC56 View Post

Yes on both slots-How do I convert the zipfile and install the slides on a USB stick then?

Plug the USB into your computer and left click the zip break-in images folder, then - extract all. Once that is done, right click the break-in images file and send them to removable disc. It only takes a few seconds. When finished, plug the USB into your TV and access that feature. There should be a repeat slideshow or similar nomenclature.
post #3753 of 5198
thanks to all the folks here reporting their experience with plasma burnin.
as a CRT snob, i can't bring myself to buy a big LCD/"LED" or a big plasma. yet. Sooner or later I'll have to buy an absurdly huge flat panel 'smart tv' at walmart however.
I often leave the TV on 24x7 for days at a time, on whatever random free-TV-channel, or on a MOXI-DVR screen, so gotta avoid the plasmas. is what it is.

TTFN !
post #3754 of 5198
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Originally Posted by tveli View Post

thanks to all the folks here reporting their experience with plasma burnin.
as a CRT snob, i can't bring myself to buy a big LCD/"LED" or a big plasma. yet. Sooner or later I'll have to buy an absurdly huge flat panel 'smart tv' at walmart however.
I often leave the TV on 24x7 for days at a time, on whatever random free-TV-channel, or on a MOXI-DVR screen, so gotta avoid the plasmas. is what it is.

TTFN !

Well in cases like these you probably should avoid plasma. Just note that LCDs aren't immune to damage from static images, nor were CRTs for that matter.
post #3755 of 5198
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Originally Posted by tveli View Post

as a CRT snob

I'm not sure what you are attempting to represent here, unless you are being a "CRT snob" based purely on a greater resistance to IR. As indicated, even CRTs can have issues with IR. I can't imagine anyone buying a CRT for "normal" home use at this point in time. It would be silly.

Personally, I'd consider the insistence of using a CRT over current flat screen technologies acting more like a curmudgeon than acting like a snob.
post #3756 of 5198
I have 2:35:1 letterbox black bar burn-in. As this is due to uneven phosphor wear, is there a way to reverse/reduce this by playing images only on the top and bottom portions of the TV? I am currently running slides of white shades on the top and bottom of the screen and black/grey shades in the middle

I am looking for images that do multiple colors instead of just white
post #3757 of 5198
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

I have 2:35:1 letterbox black bar burn-in. As this is due to uneven phosphor wear, is there a way to reverse/reduce this by playing images only on the top and bottom portions of the TV? I am currently running slides of white shades on the top and bottom of the screen and black/grey shades in the middle

I am looking for images that do multiple colors instead of just white

So this can actually happen just from watching letterboxed films? I keep wondering why I went with plasma since their images aren't perfect anyways (hockey pops, etc) and I have to worry every time I watch anything. People keep saying how CRT and LCD was also susceptible to IR, but let's be honest with ourselves - how difficult is it to get IR on an LCD or CRT? I used to game for marathon sessions and watch hours straight of letterboxed films on my old CRT, sometimes I'd even fall asleep with it on and wake up in the morning to a static weather screen or something, and never, ever, with all of my CRTs, did I ever have the slightest hint of anything like IR. It was virtually impossible to get even a slight hint of IR on CRTs unless you literally used it as a point-of-sale monitor at a store or something that would have the same image on for years. That's the only time I ever saw IR/burn-in on any type of CRT display.
post #3758 of 5198
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

So this can actually happen just from watching letterboxed films? I keep wondering why I went with plasma since their images aren't perfect anyways (hockey pops, etc) and I have to worry every time I watch anything. People keep saying how CRT and LCD was also susceptible to IR, but let's be honest with ourselves - how difficult is it to get IR on an LCD or CRT? I used to game for marathon sessions and watch hours straight of letterboxed films on my old CRT, sometimes I'd even fall asleep with it on and wake up in the morning to a static weather screen or something, and never, ever, with all of my CRTs, did I ever have the slightest hint of anything like IR. It was virtually impossible to get even a slight hint of IR on CRTs unless you literally used it as a point-of-sale monitor at a store or something that would have the same image on for years. That's the only time I ever saw IR/burn-in on any type of CRT display.

Yes it can definitely happen. The phosphors wear at different rates resulting in this type of burn-in. Although, burn-in is not the right term as it is just uneven wear of the TV.
post #3759 of 5198
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Yes it can definitely happen. The phosphors wear at different rates resulting in this type of burn-in. Although, burn-in is not the right term as it is just uneven wear of the TV.

Well I guess the next question should be how much letterbox viewing does it take for this uneven wear to happen to plasma? I watch lots of films, many of which are letterboxed (anyone who watches blu-ray or DVD will certainly come across letterboxing regularly). I also watch lots of 4:3 material. So then am I going to regret owning a plasma? The more I think about it the more I think that the benefits of plasma are outweighed by the strict limitations on what you can actually view on it safely.
post #3760 of 5198
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Well I guess the next question should be how much letterbox viewing does it take for this uneven wear to happen to plasma? I watch lots of films, many of which are letterboxed (anyone who watches blu-ray or DVD will certainly come across letterboxing regularly). I also watch lots of 4:3 material. So then am I going to regret owning a plasma? The more I think about it the more I think that the benefits of plasma are outweighed by the strict limitations on what you can actually view on it safely.

No you won't regret it. I have two Pioneer Plasmas:

141fd - Bought used with the letterbox burn-in already present. Owner used it mainly for blu-rays.. most of them must have been 2.35:1

500m - Watch non-stop ESPN and a ton of 2.35:1 blu-rays. There isn't a hint of retention/burn-in anywhere.

They key is to use the right calibrated contrast setting most of the time and to mix up watch you watch (full screen, 4:3, 2.35, etc.). Every once in awhile run the white bar video pattern and you will be fine.
post #3761 of 5198
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

No you won't regret it. I have two Pioneer Plasmas:

141fd - Bought used with the letterbox burn-in already present. Owner used it mainly for blu-rays.. most of them must have been 2.35:1

500m - Watch non-stop ESPN and a ton of 2.35:1 blu-rays. There isn't a hint of retention/burn-in anywhere.

They key is to use the right calibrated contrast setting most of the time and to mix up watch you watch (full screen, 4:3, 2.35, etc.). Every once in awhile run the white bar video pattern and you will be fine.

What you have said,could only be applicable to pioneer grade plasma tv's which are not manufactured anymore ! And what is very painful is that panasonic having the rights for its pattens has shelved it.It could have relaunched it under its 2D models at a fairly competitive price.So that its more affordable to many now.
And what is more funny is that every year tv manufactures in japan complain of huge losses.If they keep on spending more in R&D and discontinue great solid models for the sake of smart tv's & better 3D tv's for yearly launch could result in closure of some factories like pioneer corp plasma division witnessed few years back.
History repeats itself for men never learn.
post #3762 of 5198
Samsung 51D550 owner here with what appears to be some bad IR from the Mass Effect 3 multilayer consumable item HUD. The set had a good 600 hrs plus on it before I ever played the game and the IR has been there for over 6 weeks since.

Settings where in game mode with the cell at 18, contrast at 85, brightness 42, 16:9 orbiter on at 4.4.1 setting.

In the six week period that I played the multilayer I couldn't have played any more than 30 hrs tops of the game, with no gaming session lasting longer than three hours. When I first got the set I tried to stress it pretty hard by playing no telling how many hours of Skyrim and a friend and I actually sat and played the hole Gears of War 3 campaign split screen together in one long night just a couple of days after buying the set with the only after effects being the normal IR that fades in a hour or so.

The IR is not really visible at all during normal viewing, the only time I can see it is against solid colored images most predominantly completely white backgrounds.

I have since ran the image swipe that is in the menu section for burn in on the set for probably 24 hrs, Zoyds personal washer for 24 hrs, and ran the break in slides for a good 12 hrs, and blasted it with a complete white screen in dynamic for a good 12 hours and then the normal full screen viewing that I watch plus other games and can't really tell that it has faded much or at all.

Outside of the one issue the set has been really good against retaining any images for no longer than a hour and even that retention was so light you really couldn't find it unless you went up to the set and looked for it.

I really like the set good picture and all but between this heavy IR which I hope will go away and the brightness pops that I had with set when I first got it, which where fixed from the USB update I got from Samsung the set has been little to problematic in my opinion

Any one here had IR like described above that took months to go away? Will unplugging the set when I am at work help?
Edited by talltitan - 6/10/12 at 2:50pm
post #3763 of 5198
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Originally Posted by talltitan View Post

Samsung 51D550 owner here with what appears to be some bad IR from the Mass Effect 3 multilayer consumable item HUD. The set had a good 600 hrs plus on it before I ever played the game and the IR has been there for over 6 weeks since.
Settings where in game mode with the cell at 18, contrast at 85, brightness 42, 16:9 orbiter on at 4.4.1 setting.
In the six week period that I played the multilayer I couldn't have played any more than 30 hrs tops of the game, with no gaming session lasting longer than three hours. When I first got the set I tried to stress it pretty hard by playing no telling how many hours of Skyrim and a friend and I actually sat and played the hole Gears of War 3 campaign split screen together in one long night just a couple of days after buying the set with the only after effects being the normal IR that fades in a hour or so.
The IR is not really visible at all during normal viewing, the only time I can see it is against solid colored images most predominantly completely white backgrounds.
I have since ran the image swipe that is in the menu section for burn in on the set for probably 24 hrs, Zoyds personal washer for 24 hrs, and ran the break in slides for a good 12 hrs, and blasted it with a complete white screen in dynamic for a good 12 hours and then the normal full screen viewing that I watch plus other games and can't really tell that it has faded much or at all.
Outside of the one issue the set has been really good against retaining any images for no longer than a hour and even that retention was so light you really couldn't find it unless you went up to the set and looked for it.
I really like the set good picture and all but between this heavy IR which I hope will go away and the brightness pops that I had with set when I first got it, which where fixed from the USB update I got from Samsung the set has been little to problematic in my opinion
Any one here had IR like described above that took months to go away? Will unplugging the set when I am at work help?
Sorry to hear about the stubborn IR.But what i have realized after reading so much information about IR in the Net.That one could safely say that plasma tv's are not that suitable for Gaming or use it like a pc monitor.Now in your case you need not run slides or blast the panel with whilte color still in dynamic mode.All you can do now is just watch movies,fast movies action sports etc without logos and black bars.Do not force or push you tv too hard.If the IR is not permanent it will fade gradually....in few weeks or a months time.To my knowledge plasma are highly susceptible to IR.And if the person is to watch the same set of channels or plays the same kind of game daily,This is bound to give permanent burn-in.While some may be lucky to get plasma's that are rock solid and bullet proof quality but rest should be bit careful while using their plasma.May be the pioneer "Kuro" line of plasma may be totally Burn-In free.But that does not apply to all the other plasmas available now in the market...

Wish you all the best.
post #3764 of 5198
Well I'm looking at getting a Panasonic GT50. I'm a movie and videogame guy. But I'm pretty confused over this break in period before you really use the TV. I own a lot of Blurays and most have the 2.35:1 aspect ratio.

Now what I gathered here is I need to really limit thhose kinds of movies a lot for the first 100 hours. Why is that? After my first 100 hours can i watch 2.35:1 ratio movies all the time and not worry about the letterbox burn in?
post #3765 of 5198
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Originally Posted by melio111 View Post

Well I'm looking at getting a Panasonic GT50. I'm a movie and videogame guy. But I'm pretty confused over this break in period before you really use the TV. I own a lot of Blurays and most have the 2.35:1 aspect ratio.
Now what I gathered here is I need to really limit thhose kinds of movies a lot for the first 100 hours. Why is that? After my first 100 hours can i watch 2.35:1 ratio movies all the time and not worry about the letterbox burn in?

I have the same question. From everything I've read, on the portion of your screen taken up by black bars, the phosphors aren't firing at all, so they're not aging as fast as the pixels displaying the 2.35:1 movie. After a while, when you display fullscreen content, the content in the areas where the black bars were will look different from the rest of the picture.

My question is, how severe is this problem, specifically on 2012 Panasonics like the ST50? If I get my set and do D-Nice's 100 hours, but then watch a 10-hour Lord of the Rings marathon, will I immediately notice uneven wear of the picture, assuming I'm eagle-eyed?
post #3766 of 5198
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Originally Posted by kehakas View Post

I have the same question. From everything I've read, on the portion of your screen taken up by black bars, the phosphors aren't firing at all, so they're not aging as fast as the pixels displaying the 2.35:1 movie. After a while, when you display fullscreen content, the content in the areas where the black bars were will look different from the rest of the picture.
My question is, how severe is this problem, specifically on 2012 Panasonics like the ST50? If I get my set and do D-Nice's 100 hours, but then watch a 10-hour Lord of the Rings marathon, will I immediately notice uneven wear of the picture, assuming I'm eagle-eyed?

If you do a 10 hour LOTR marathon, yes you definitely will. Watching a two hour movie? Not so much. I've watched a few 2.35:1 BD's on my month old UT50 and haven't noticed any IR or uneven wear.
post #3767 of 5198
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh View Post

If you do a 10 hour LOTR marathon, yes you definitely will. Watching a two hour movie? Not so much. I've watched a few 2.35:1 BD's on my month old UT50 and haven't noticed any IR or uneven wear.

For this to happen I would think you would need a few thousand hours of difference for uneven wear to show
post #3768 of 5198
Hmmmmm. So we get a yes and no to our questions.....lol
post #3769 of 5198
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

For this to happen I would think you would need a few thousand hours of difference for uneven wear to show

This is true. My 4 year old Panasonic PX80U has no uneven wear and I've watched hundreds of 2.35:1 BD's during that time.
post #3770 of 5198
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh View Post

This is true. My 4 year old Panasonic PX80U has no uneven wear and I've watched hundreds of 2.35:1 BD's during that time.

Didn't you just answer that question 2 different ways? First you said he definitely will if he does a 10 hour LOTR marathon, then you agreed above that it would take thousands of hours.confused.gif
post #3771 of 5198
Probably a lot of you may have already read this but I figured I'd post this link here:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/
post #3772 of 5198
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Didn't you just answer that question 2 different ways? First you said he definitely will if he does a 10 hour LOTR marathon, then you agreed above that it would take thousands of hours.confused.gif

I thought he was asking if he did a 10 hour LOTR marathon shortly after buying the set. I did do a LOTR marathon, but over the course of several days and not all at once one after the other. wink.gif

Uneven wear is kind of different from IR. IR is more temporary, but uneven wear happens over the course of months and years.
post #3773 of 5198
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh View Post

If you do a 10 hour LOTR marathon, yes you definitely will. Watching a two hour movie? Not so much. I've watched a few 2.35:1 BD's on my month old UT50 and haven't noticed any IR or uneven wear.

Thanks for the response! I'll do my best to mix in a majority of fullscreen content in the early hours of the TV's lifespan, but I'm not going to worry about it too much, because there's only so much worrying you can do.
post #3774 of 5198
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Originally Posted by kehakas View Post

Thanks for the response! I'll do my best to mix in a majority of fullscreen content in the early hours of the TV's lifespan, but I'm not going to worry about it too much, because there's only so much worrying you can do.

Very true. Black bars don't seem to cause much in the way of IR with these years sets. Bright station logos and game HUD's seem to be the worst offenders.
post #3775 of 5198
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Originally Posted by talltitan View Post

Samsung 51D550 owner here with what appears to be some bad IR from the Mass Effect 3 multilayer consumable item HUD. The set had a good 600 hrs plus on it before I ever played the game and the IR has been there for over 6 weeks since.
Settings where in game mode with the cell at 18, contrast at 85, brightness 42, 16:9 orbiter on at 4.4.1 setting.
In the six week period that I played the multilayer I couldn't have played any more than 30 hrs tops of the game, with no gaming session lasting longer than three hours. When I first got the set I tried to stress it pretty hard by playing no telling how many hours of Skyrim and a friend and I actually sat and played the hole Gears of War 3 campaign split screen together in one long night just a couple of days after buying the set with the only after effects being the normal IR that fades in a hour or so.
The IR is not really visible at all during normal viewing, the only time I can see it is against solid colored images most predominantly completely white backgrounds.
I have since ran the image swipe that is in the menu section for burn in on the set for probably 24 hrs, Zoyds personal washer for 24 hrs, and ran the break in slides for a good 12 hrs, and blasted it with a complete white screen in dynamic for a good 12 hours and then the normal full screen viewing that I watch plus other games and can't really tell that it has faded much or at all.
Outside of the one issue the set has been really good against retaining any images for no longer than a hour and even that retention was so light you really couldn't find it unless you went up to the set and looked for it.
I really like the set good picture and all but between this heavy IR which I hope will go away and the brightness pops that I had with set when I first got it, which where fixed from the USB update I got from Samsung the set has been little to problematic in my opinion
Any one here had IR like described above that took months to go away? Will unplugging the set when I am at work help?

You and I are in the EXACT same boat here. I have a PN51D550 from last October, and am an avid Battlefield 3 player. NO problems up until a few days ago, when I noticed residual HUD elements on my screen. I can really only see them on a flat-colored background. I too have installed the update sent to me on a USB stick to fix the brightness pops.

I played this game (and plenty of other games) a lot more last year on this TV, when the set was newer and the game had recently come out. I even checked for burn-in periodically. Never noticed a thing up until this point. I've been running the scrolling to see if it will erase it. It's reduced quite a bit, but it's still there. What's weird is it's mainly a gaming TV, and I've played long consecutive bouts of tons of games, never a problem until now.

Please let me know if you manage to find a fix or if it fades.
post #3776 of 5198
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post #3777 of 5198
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh View Post

Very true. Black bars don't seem to cause much in the way of IR with these years sets. Bright station logos and game HUD's seem to be the worst offenders.

When I watched a movie with black bars, I usually put the washing screen and leave the TV.
It will turn off alone 30 minutes later and erase everything.

Sometimes I even watch 2 movies in a row with black bars, never had an issue.
It usually disappears after the wash screen was turned on for a bit.

It's more about developing the good reflexes.
When you finish playing/watching a movie just throw in the wash screen instead of turning it off right away.
post #3778 of 5198
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Originally Posted by brody76 View Post

When I watched a movie with black bars, I usually put the washing screen and leave the TV.
It will turn off alone 30 minutes later and erase everything.
Sometimes I even watch 2 movies in a row with black bars, never had an issue.
It usually disappears after the wash screen was turned on for a bit.
It's more about developing the good reflexes.
When you finish playing/watching a movie just throw in the wash screen instead of turning it off right away.

I always do this as well. Lately when watching ESPN, I've zoomed in myself.
post #3779 of 5198
I have not been in awhile.
My Pioneer Kuro pro Elite 111FD has been more or less perfect.
I have noticed some occasional IR from games or black bars before.
A few days ago I noticed an IR of the cartoon Network on the lower right screen- CN.
My son watches this station about 2 hours daily while he plays in the room.

It's been several days and it's still there.
I have zoomed in on the screen in an effort to wash it out.
So far- it's still there.

needless to say I'm quite pissed.
What is wrong with these stations that they need to ruin our televisions?
Why do they have to tell us what station we're watching? We tuned in- isn't that enough.
I want to write the network and complain- but know it will do nothing but waste my time.


Anyway- any IR in the past has gone away in time- but this time it is being real stubborn.
Any advice? Or just wait it out and hope for the best?
post #3780 of 5198
It will go away in due time. But you can run Disney Wow Pixel flipper overnight or the white bar scroller overnight. Really, anyway full screen content overnight (maybe a few times) should do the trick
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