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Main thread updated with the good information posted above.
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Thanks PeterG. I looked at the pdf you linked and it seems you're right. Only Region B 'boundary' halo-type retention was cleared with the white slide. Region A, the main burn-in area was not cleared. Region C, the rest of the screen was only slightly affected.

The electron microscope pic and the diagram really help to show whats going on inside the panel.




I guess the only solution is to burn the whole screen to match Region A if you want uniformity. Supposedly a really long/bright usage of white slide could do that, but it seems like it would still be relatively more burned-in where the logo was, unless Region A burn-in plateaus at some point and can't get any worse, then the rest of the screen just has to burn-in to match it. Burning-in an accurate inverse image of the retained logo would probably be ideal and damage the panel the least.

Besides eating away the MgO layer, the only downside result I could see is the luminance on a black slide seems to rise after their 100 hour white slide treatment, but like you said the brightness intensities they are working with are much higher than what we can achieve on our sets, so its hard to compare.



I'm not exactly sure how luminance translates here but I think it means the TV's black level will get brighter. If so, a very intensive white slide treatment may not be worth it if your current level of burn-in is acceptable.

There seems to be a trade off between clearing burn-in with white slide and keeping dark black level. Either way its interesting to see whats actually going on. If there are more studies you're aware of please post them.
Edited by rcll - 12/6/12 at 12:44pm
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So over the past month, I have noticed in the bottom middle of my screen 3 rows of grey rectangles, have no idea what movie or game could cause this? It looks like a burn-in. I watch TV for a few hours on Netflix or play games on my Xbox, and my Brother watches cable, that's it. I took a picture for you guys to see it, any way to get rid of it? It's a bit annoying and while currently as of now watching Breaking Bad, I can see it in some scenes...I own a Panasonic ST50 55''.

On a side note, my orbiter is on and I ran my Sliding Bar 3 times, I been trying to run movies from Netflix and letting it just run. My settings are also the same settings from CNET. I do notice that on the PS3, when I see the icons such as Youtube or Netflix, it seems to cover the gray bars, like it's layers or something...weird.
post #3904 of 5199
I got several IRs 2 days ago (windows logo) by trying to tweak contrast/brightness in 3D mode. My panny St50 is almost 200h, the IRs only visible in black screen 3D mode and I can't see anything in 2D screen - Can someone explain why is that ?

I've been runing slider in 3D mode for few hours a dayt, most of them completely disapeared, some are still there, faded 90% but very stuborn . Should I run it more or just watch regular content and wait for it to eventually fade away? rolleyes.gif
post #3905 of 5199
I just received my gt50 last week and am breaking it in a bit for a calibration coming up. For the slides, are there specific settings for contrast brightness or picture mode I should be using? I left it at standard to save energy and to be on the safe side.
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Originally Posted by Recstar24 View Post

I just received my gt50 last week and am breaking it in a bit for a calibration coming up. For the slides, are there specific settings for contrast brightness or picture mode I should be using? I left it at standard to save energy and to be on the safe side.

Standard mode is too dim when running the slides and kinda defeats the purpose of them. When using Evengelo's "break-in" slides, you want the panel to be fairly bright, not dim. Dim is more for when aging the panel by watching regular content, not for when running the slides, and you'd have to age the panel for 2-3 times longer at dim settings before the phosphors have fully settled in. I equate slideshow aging to searing a rib-eye steak - i grill it hot and fast to seal in the juices and give it a nice crust and it comes out much tastier and juicier than when grilling it with low flame for longer duration. And the energy savings in Standard are negligeable anyway - maybe a dollar's worth if that.

D-Nice's 2012 panel aging slideshow procedure is to basically use the Custom picture mode and leave all the settings at their factory defaults, turn all the photo enhancement options off, and set the slideshow duration to SLOW, and to do this for 100 hours. He is very experienced with all this stuff so go with his method and you're good to go after 100 hours. If you've changed any of the settings in Custom mode even one click then selecting "Reset to Defaults" will restore the factory settings.

His 2011 Panel Aging procedure was different - he posted specific setting for Contrast and Brightness etc, but this year he went with the default Custom mode.
post #3907 of 5199
Thanks randy, super helpful. I've changed to the dnice slides and left everything custom untouched. I'm mixing this with full screen content as well just to get some enjoyment during the process.
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I am considering purchasing a Panasonic plasma, 55 or 60 inch. I utilized this site six years ago when I bought my lcd. In looking through this thread, my head wants to explode. I haven't looked at every posting though. From what I can gather, in order to obtain your best usage from a plasma, you have to run some slide shows for 200 - 1000 hours before the set is "broken in". Maybe I'm missing something, however, this seems like a lot of hassle for a tv set. If it's not too much trouble, might someone point me to a link or links that will better help me understand the why's and wherefore's of this process. Thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted by xct84 View Post

I am considering purchasing a Panasonic plasma, 55 or 60 inch. I utilized this site six years ago when I bought my lcd. In looking through this thread, my head wants to explode. I haven't looked at every posting though. From what I can gather, in order to obtain your best usage from a plasma, you have to run some slide shows for 200 - 1000 hours before the set is "broken in". Maybe I'm missing something, however, this seems like a lot of hassle for a tv set. If it's not too much trouble, might someone point me to a link or links that will better help me understand the why's and wherefore's of this process. Thanks in advance.

There are several "break in" threads that keep popping up, but here is one of the more recent and comprehensive ones:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1447246/break-in
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Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
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I've read through most of this thread and several others on here so I'm feeling pretty ok about my Panasonic 55" UT50 purchase (gets delivered on Monday).

I'll do the slides to help age it so I can get the settings right when it's stable. Understand it doesn't help prevent IR, but can't hurt anything either. I'll use it while doing those for 100 hours too, trying to stick mostly with full screen content and limiting gaming and ESPN. The latter will be an adjustment for me as I'm in the habit of having ESPN on a ton--but it's mostly just on in the back ground (like now) when I'm not paying much attention. So I guess I should drop that for good due to the ticker etc? And just watch when I'm actively watching to prevent IR even after the break in period?

I'll probably watch some of the national championship game Monday night. ESPN doesn't have the ticker during the bowl games (or at least didn't during the Fiesta Bowl last night)--but still the score graphic. But I figure a few hours will be fine with commercials and channel flipping to break it up, and will run the slides over night (as I will every night until I hit 100 hours) which should clear up any IR it picked up I'd think.

Anything else I should be aware of?
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I'm a bit confused on the break in process am I suppose to run my tv on vivid and 100% contrast and 100% brightness or vivid 100% contrast 50% brightness ? or 50% contrast and 50% brightness for 100-200hrs ? BTW I am new here so please excuse the noobish questions that I may have. I am coming from LCD 32" Vizio to Plasma LG 50PA5500 this is my first plasma so bare with me.
post #3913 of 5199
Hi,
my name is Chris, I got a new GT50 60" Plasma in November.

I broke it in, meaning it ran on 30% Contrast the first 150 hours, which made watching anything really sh!tty.smile.gif
Anyway, then after I reached 150hours, which I confirmed by going into the user system settings with the help of this forum, I switched to Standard and Game Mode for games..wink.gif
Me an my wife play videogames.
On a snowy weekend she played Assassins Creed III for roughly 8 hours each day.
Now there is burn in or IR of the Assassins Creed life bar in the lower left corner and the controls in the lower right corner.

I had image shifting enabled the whole time and ever since we have gotten it.
I ran the Panasonic white bar for 30 mins, didn't do a thing.

Then this youtube video for 6 hours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avj108dN_x0
I hade it blown up so it would cover the whole screen and no side bars.

I can still see the Assassins Creed Image.mad.gif

What do I do!?!?confused.gif
Is my TV now "ruined"? Will it go away? Do I have to run something for 24hours?
Is this video the wrong one? Would "white noise" be better?

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!
post #3914 of 5199
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Originally Posted by dogdaysunrise View Post

Hi,
my name is Chris, I got a new GT50 60" Plasma in November.
I broke it in, meaning it ran on 30% Contrast the first 150 hours, which made watching anything really sh!tty.smile.gif
Anyway, then after I reached 150hours, which I confirmed by going into the user system settings with the help of this forum, I switched to Standard and Game Mode for games..wink.gif
Me an my wife play videogames.
On a snowy weekend she played Assassins Creed III for roughly 8 hours each day.
Now there is burn in or IR of the Assassins Creed life bar in the lower left corner and the controls in the lower right corner.
I had image shifting enabled the whole time and ever since we have gotten it.
I ran the Panasonic white bar for 30 mins, didn't do a thing.
Then this youtube video for 6 hours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avj108dN_x0
I hade it blown up so it would cover the whole screen and no side bars.
I can still see the Assassins Creed Image.mad.gif
What do I do!?!?confused.gif
Is my TV now "ruined"? Will it go away? Do I have to run something for 24hours?
Is this video the wrong one? Would "white noise" be better?
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!

I'd be quite surprised if it was BI. Maybe if you played AC3, 24/7 for a month, you might have an issue with BI. From what I've read, if it's severe IR, it can take a while to go away. Some users reported a little more than a month.

Unfortunately, if gaming is you thing, you might want to pick up a 40 inch LCD/LED and use that for gaming and the GT50 for TV and movies.

You can try running full screen Pixar movies and also the Disney WOW disc has some kind of pixel jogger/flipper that I've heard helps too.
post #3915 of 5199
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Originally Posted by N3M3515662 View Post

I'm a bit confused on the break in process am I suppose to run my tv on vivid and 100% contrast and 100% brightness or vivid 100% contrast 50% brightness ? or 50% contrast and 50% brightness for 100-200hrs ? BTW I am new here so please excuse the noobish questions that I may have. I am coming from LCD 32" Vizio to Plasma LG 50PA5500 this is my first plasma so bare with me.

I ran mine on Standard mode (actually wasn't that bad of a picture), which used 50% brightness and 50% contrast.

I don't think there really is a break-in per say, unless you are going to get a set professionally calibrated, then the "break-in" would be to age the panel to get it ready for the professional calibration.
post #3916 of 5199
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Originally Posted by dmaul1114 View Post

I've read through most of this thread and several others on here so I'm feeling pretty ok about my Panasonic 55" UT50 purchase (gets delivered on Monday).
I'll do the slides to help age it so I can get the settings right when it's stable. Understand it doesn't help prevent IR, but can't hurt anything either. I'll use it while doing those for 100 hours too, trying to stick mostly with full screen content and limiting gaming and ESPN. The latter will be an adjustment for me as I'm in the habit of having ESPN on a ton--but it's mostly just on in the back ground (like now) when I'm not paying much attention. So I guess I should drop that for good due to the ticker etc? And just watch when I'm actively watching to prevent IR even after the break in period?
I'll probably watch some of the national championship game Monday night. ESPN doesn't have the ticker during the bowl games (or at least didn't during the Fiesta Bowl last night)--but still the score graphic. But I figure a few hours will be fine with commercials and channel flipping to break it up, and will run the slides over night (as I will every night until I hit 100 hours) which should clear up any IR it picked up I'd think.
Anything else I should be aware of?

No reason to run the slides if you are not getting it professionally calibrated...it's a waste of energy and time. I used Standard mode for about 100 hours and just varied my content. Keep the pixel orbiter enabled...some say it's a gimmick, but in my opinion it works.

If you like watching ESPN, you can Zoom the format on the TV and the ticker/logo will be pushed out of the viewing field. Although, it also pushed the scoreboard if you're watching a game.

If you're getting it delivered, before you signoff, check the condition of the set to make sure there is no damage. Some people turn it on to make sure there is no excessive buzzing and they also go as far as running the slides and looking for dead pixels with the brighter slides. The caveat is though, if you're in a colder climate, chances are the panel has been sitting on the truck and if it's cold, it should sit at room temp for a few hours before turning on.
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My thought on slides is it just gets through that initial 100 hours of needing to baby the set a bit before calibrating (even if just doing it with a disc) or gaming much etc. faster. Not really a waste of time as I can just run them while at work and sleeping, and the energy use isn't a huge deal.

It is in the 30s here lately, so I probably will need to let it warm up before turning it on.

As far as ESPN, I'll just limit it until the 100 hours of slides is up, and then just not leave it on for hours in the background while working etc. like I tend to do now. Just a waste since I don't really pay attention anyway.

I'm not too worried about IR after the break in anyway as I do vary my content otherwise with sports, TV, movies of different aspect ratios and games. Will just have to be a bit more cautious about marathon sessions of games with HUDs and other static images I suppose. But I don't play more than 2-3 hours at a stretch all that often any more anyway. Seems like a lot of IR people talk about is just things noticed on solid white screens or running the screen wiper anyway (with some extreme exceptions of course), and that doesn't bother me as I won't be actively checking for IR. As long as I don't notice it during normal usage, I couldn't care less.
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My head is starting to hurt from how bad buying a TV has stressed me out.

My TV is set up in the basement for my gaming are along with Netflix and occasionally movies. I was going to buy a LCD because I thought it would be better for gaming, but every article I read said plasmas would be better because of the higher Hz and less motion blur. But now I hear about all this IR and it is starting to stress me out. I have a brand new Panny UT50, and I'm thinking of taking it back to Best Buy before the 30 days are. I really don't know what to do.
post #3919 of 5199
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Originally Posted by highdefav1 View Post

I'd be quite surprised if it was BI. Maybe if you played AC3, 24/7 for a month, you might have an issue with BI. From what I've read, if it's severe IR, it can take a while to go away. Some users reported a little more than a month.
Unfortunately, if gaming is you thing, you might want to pick up a 40 inch LCD/LED and use that for gaming and the GT50 for TV and movies.
You can try running full screen Pixar movies and also the Disney WOW disc has some kind of pixel jogger/flipper that I've heard helps too.

Thanks, I hope it will go away then. I was surprised that after 8 hours of this youtube video it was still there and the Panasonic built in "screen cleaner" is only scheduled to run 15min.

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Originally Posted by StrikerZ View Post

My head is starting to hurt from how bad buying a TV has stressed me out.
My TV is set up in the basement for my gaming are along with Netflix and occasionally movies. I was going to buy a LCD because I thought it would be better for gaming, but every article I read said plasmas would be better because of the higher Hz and less motion blur. But now I hear about all this IR and it is starting to stress me out. I have a brand new Panny UT50, and I'm thinking of taking it back to Best Buy before the 30 days are. I really don't know what to do.

I would say if you love movies and superior picture quality, keep the plasma, it will blow you away.
The picture is astonishing and will only get better over time and after a calibration.
BTW. make sure you get the BB rewards card, they might be able to put your TV purchase still on the card, once you spend over $2500 with them you get the silver reward, among it's offerings a then no cost professional calibration.

If you do however excessive gaming over long periods of time, you might wanna think about maybe indeed bringing it back and switching to an LCD.
Some games are also more prone to cause IR than others. I play Skyrim a lot and I don't think this would cause IR even if played all day.

Well....my $0.02.
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Wouldn't surprise me if IR was a problem with some people gaming. Some people do pull 15+ hour gaming binges (I don't want to know how... that's just disturbing (in all due respect of a matter of personal health) in its own right).
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I'll play for like 6 hours at the most straight. Usually if I have some friends over my house and it's late night.
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You'll probably be ok as long as you're not doing that every night and are mixing content (also watching TV and movies) reagularly when not gaming.

Just avoid such long sessions for the first 100-200 hours. You can run the color slides you can download when not using it for the first week or two to help get past the time faster. The slides won't make the set any more resistant to IR than just normal usage with avoiding static images for 100-200 hours, just an easy way to rack up the time quickly without having to constantly play movies etc.

From what I've read, most IR is just temporary and not noticed unless looking at full screen color slides anyway. So just be a bit cautious for the first couple weeks, then you'll probably never notice it unless you go looking for it.
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I usually only do it on Friday and Satirday nights, if I do. The weekdays are usually small amounts of Netflix and maybe a movie. Not much to do anything on the weekdays.

I should be able to play games now if I disable the HUD, right?
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Yeah, the HUD is the main thing. Just want to limit static images during the break in period as much as possible. Lots of games don't let you disable it though.

If it's going to be used primarily for gaming though, you may be better going with an LCD set, maybe an LED one. Colors pop more in games with the brighter lighting and you can have piece of mind of not having to worry about IR at all. The better black levels aren't such a big deal with gaming. More for movies and TV, and sounds like you don't watch enough of that for those to be your top priority.

I was a bit torn as I game a bit and watch a lot of ESPN. But movies are my main hobby and I plan on gaming less and watching more movies going forward, so I opted for prioritizing PQ for movies over some IR worries with games and sports. I'll post more impressions on how that worked out later on as my 55" UT50 gets delivered from Amazon tomorrow morning.
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I probably will start watching more movies. Main reason I didn't watch much before was the price, but now with all these streaming apps and Redbox. I'll probably watch movies more often.

Plus my budget doesn't really allow a good LCD/LED. Only reason I got a UT50 is because of the major sales going on.
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Same here. Was between that and the 55" Panasonic LED Amazon has for $849.99 (same price I ended up getting the 55" UT50 for as I just had Amazon match the Bestbuy sale price--had paid $899.99 originally). Reviews much better on the UT50, vs. that LED which was kind of bottom of the barrel as far as LEDs from name brands go.

Again, I think you'll be fine if you don't go looking for IR. A lot of posts are people noticing it when displaying a solid white screen etc. I couldn't care less about that. If I don't notice anything major during normal usage, I'm good to go.
post #3927 of 5199
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Originally Posted by dmaul1114 View Post

You'll probably be ok as long as you're not doing that every night and are mixing content (also watching TV and movies) reagularly when not gaming.
Just avoid such long sessions for the first 100-200 hours. You can run the color slides you can download when not using it for the first week or two to help get past the time faster. The slides won't make the set any more resistant to IR than just normal usage with avoiding static images for 100-200 hours, just an easy way to rack up the time quickly without having to constantly play movies etc.
From what I've read, most IR is just temporary and not noticed unless looking at full screen color slides anyway. So just be a bit cautious for the first couple weeks, then you'll probably never notice it unless you go looking for it.

well this is exactly what I did. I didn't do it in the frist 100-200 hours, I only play on the weekend.
I still got IR.
Anyway, yes you have to look for it on a slide to see it and if there was someone standing next to me who would't know about, he wouldn't notice it.

That makes me wonder if some actually have it but don't know about it
I would have probably never noticed it myself if I hadn't run the slides.

Well the good news is, everyone I talked to from on here to Best Buy assured me it will go away, it will just take some time and of course until then, no more of the particular game
and gaming cut down to the minimum..
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Is it ok to watch 2 full screen movies in 100 contrast with my new TV that I only have like 10-15 hours on?
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Full screen content without any static logos is harmless. Nothing is stationary so nothing to worry about getting stuck with IR.
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Originally Posted by dmaul1114 View Post

Full screen content without any static logos is harmless. Nothing is stationary so nothing to worry about getting stuck with IR.

Is there any reason why people suggest to lower picture settings when running slides, then? I mean if they all fill the screen and phosphores all age evenly, what difference does it make what the picture settings are?
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